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Mr. Deez

Mr. Deez

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If only we had an assault weapons ban in Kenya . . . Link.

Can someone remind me again why we should let Muslims like this exist?
 
I have no idea why the world community allows their existance, especially after dealing with the likes of Hitler. These people are as evil and dangerous as he was.
 
Correct Dillo
except there are hundreds of millions of them
and the media still seems to feel the need for calling it a ' religion of peace"
 
I guess the probllem I have with destruction of Muslims is that I know several, who are very kind, enlightened people. The perps in these cases are primitive, savage people.

Should some world policeman have wiped out Eurpopean Christians for witch trials, the Spanish Inquisition and the like. Much of what we know of classical Greek philosophy and other enligtening Western thought is available because Muslim scholars preserved it during the Dark Ages.

Evil people cloaking hatred and anger in religious terms happens and has happened in many cultures around the world.
 
Muslim radicalism is not a small, isolated problem. It is a worldwide epidemic that has grown to a cancer that threatens all of us. As for the so called "peaceful Muslims", where are they? I don't see any. I don't hear any. Their silence speaks volumes.
 
you should get out more often. I know many. By many I mean dozens. I have had a couple as housemates, work with a few and have several more as friends both here in town as well as in places I have lived before such as NYC and DC.

Maybe hate or ignorance forbids some people to see things the way they are? Hate is much like a hallucinogen oft times.

There are a lot of Christians around the world, or people that say they are, in prison or doing things around the world that are horrific. I wonder why their sort don't decry the violent epidemic that is Christianity and allow it to happen. We need to get them off the planet. Especially the way they like to touch and molest children globally.
 
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As for the so called "peaceful Muslims", where are they? I don't see any. I don't hear any. Their silence speaks volumes.
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Muslim organizations denouce violence and injustice all the time. Your ignorance of it says lot about your own isolation and choice of media.

There are numerous Islamic organizations preaching peace and working for justice. You ever sat down to a meal or a cup of cofee with Muslims and discuss their faith? Ever talked to someone who has worked or vacationed in Turkey? Ask about the warmth and hospitality they were accorded.

I'm not saying every Muslim is a wonderful person, but plenty of them are. I've seen some scary Muslims on TV, but in college, in professional encounters and friends of my children I've only met nice ones.
 
Of course there are " good ' muslims. Those of you who mention knowing some even ' dozens" know American who are muslims

Would anyone, looking at the muslims murdering all over the world care to offer an estimate on the % of good versus the murderers or those who may not be murdering but are abusing young girls and women?
 
I'll frankly admit to being unqualified to sort out the violent, the violence sympathizers and the truly non-violent of any faith. I'd always thought of concealed handgun license holders and Buddhists as folks extremely unlikely to go on an unprovoked violent rampage, but a guy who could say "yes' on both counts murdered decent people last week.

I would caution those who want to fix the situation that they need to understand it first. Solutions are hard when you don't see the other side as decent humans worthy of understanding. I can see why uneducated people from backwards cultures and inadequate media resources are prejudiced and violent. I have a harder time with rich people (by world standards) with incredible access to information who retain illogical prejudice.
 
What bothers me is that the world has come to accept this (quote) as the new normal. (unquote)

Referring to the Naval Yard shooing, Obama said today he senses "a creeping resignation" of homicidal lunacy, becomig "somehow the new normal," and "it ought to be a shock to all of us," demanding "common sense," and that we cannot accept this (shootings).

I agree, Mr. President.
We should "not accept as the new normal" the following...
- the way Benghazi was handled and has been handled for a year
- the Fast & Furious gun running
- the IRS targeting of political groups and the way that has been handled
- the Presidential altering of laws via decisions based not on constitutional matters, but his policy preferences
- the sideways use of NSA surveillance
- the failure of any economic recovery to speak of for 5 years
- the run-up of over a trillion a year in debt
- the QE printing of $85 billion A MONTH.... when $85 billion was the ENTIRE NATIONAL DEBIT IN 1944

No, Mr. President, that should not be the new normal. And it's all on your watch.
 
the very nanosecond that a person even thinks of shooting others they cease being Buddhist, if they ever were. I can say that I am the Man From Atlantis all I want but it isn't true.

The "Buddhists" that leaked chemicals on the subways in Japan were as far away from being Buddhist as one could imagine.

The moment, imho, you contrive actions to harm others you cease being Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or any other faith that denounces said death and violence. Bibles and written text, by men, are poured over like laws and Shakespeare plays. Only the fanatics of Hamlet don't go around killing people in one way or another.

Check yourself if you claim to be religious and have faith in something. Are you truly doing what you can to follow the tenants of your faith or do you pick and choose hoping for or assuming redemption in the end. You'll never acquire the lofty goal one can seek but you damned sure can be a better person and better to be around if you embark on that journey.

I, by the way, am a recovering Catholic.
 
Crock,

The problem with the "They're not all bad" or anecdotal "I know many good Muslims" mentalities is that they can overcome a civilization's sense of self-preservation. In the context of a conflict, if you're willing to avoid killing bad guys in fear that you might kill some good guys who live among the bad guys, you're eventually going to lose if the bad guys don't honor that same code of conduct.

It would be nice to peacefully coexist with the Islamic world, but we're talking about people who have been at war with themselves and with others for thousands of years - long before Islam even existed as a religion. Their most peaceful periods where when some dictator or foreign butcher forced them to behave. Obviously, there's a common enemy in the West, but if the United States and Europe eliminated all ties to the Middle East - stopped trading with them, closed all military installations, stopped giving foreign aid to their regimes, then they'd be upset because they'd be broke. Even if they weren't, then they'd just go back to fighting themselves about ethnicity, land, who's a real Muslim and who's not, etc., and that's after they've killed off the Hindus and Buddhists in neighboring countries. They hate their guts too.

Personally, I'm not for killing all Muslims. However, I'm not for avoiding killing bad Muslims just because some good ones might get killed in the process. Wars can't be fought that way. I also define "bad" pretty broadly. Obviously the guys who actually go in and shoot people or crash planes into buildings are bad, but so are the clerics who indoctrinate those guys and the people who think it was a good thing. For example, the people who were videotaped in the Palestinian areas partying and cheering 9/11 are bad guys too. If an A-10 had flown over and strafed those people, I would have been all for it.
 
Instead of doing the research for you, BI, lets take one country, Nigeria, and examine their problems. The Islamic group, boko haram, wants to create an Islamic state across Nigeria and has waged a deadly insurgency since 2009. According to the BBC, "In the latest incident in Borno state, officials said at least 87 people had been killed by militants, who disguised themselves in military uniforms at a checkpoint outside the town of Benisheik. They shot dead those trying to flee." How does this group fit into your model?
 
Mr. Deez, that is how I see the world too. I do think different people groups and cultures need to work better together and work to understand each other better. However, race, religion, culture is what defines us as people. That isn't going away. We in the US just happen to live in a culture that preaches secularism, so we are more likely to minimize issues like race and religion. There aren't many places in the world that think like us.
 
Political correctness rampant as all that is good is destroyed.
 
If people TODAY are concerned with the violence oppression and murders by muslims that is viral I am not sure how it is helpful to cite what was done 300-1000 years ago by European nations and even in USA/

Is that bit of history being offered to say, well so called Christians did it then so Muslims should be able to do it today?

Citing what was done then actually reinforces NOT ignoring what so many, too many muslims and muslim countries are doing today.
 
the inter christian wars abated after a few centuries (unless you count what happened to the jews, which was religious in a way) and I am sure that a few centuries out this muslim uprising will cool off. Most of them are not involved in the bad stuff anyway.

Sort of like how most christians were not involved in the misbehavior of the protestant christian ku klux klan.
 
Have you noticed in movies from decades ago, scenes of "Arabia" were not uncommon. The Tarzan books, written from 1912, into the 20s and 30s, often had settings and characters from Arabia.

The Abbot and Costello movies would have that theme. Bing Crosby and Bob Hope travel movies as well. An action-adventure John Wayne film I just saw the other day on HD cable.

So that movies for the most part for many years would incorporate scenes and story lines involving that part of the world. Mostly tagged as Arab, or region of Arabia, kind of a general landscape and imagery, but like that. Not Muslim, or Islamic. It had an adventure element, even romantic in the older Hollywood films, but was not about religion or religious wars. Or that realm of conflict, nor between Mideast and West (Europe / America).

This has all come about mostly since the Second World War.

And so Arabia was a story-telling part of books and Hollywood for much of the 20thcentury, but was not about Islam, was not about the religious wars stemming from a thousand years ago.

But something from post-war years forward changed, and it might benefit society to back up and take a moment to reflect on what changed from early to late 20th century.

Three or four things come to mind would be:
a) formation of the modern State of Israel in 1947
b) the CIA-backed coup that overthrew the government of Iran in 1953
c) ongoing presence of the USSR throughout the region, that perhaps kept a lid on things from boiling over as oil power and issues surrounding Israel simmered
d) Add to that the way the French and British had previously drawn lines in the sand for all the years prior to the second half of the 20th century. Then handed it all to the US to deal with.

And across all of that, the fact that from the early part of the 20th century to now, came the exploration and development of oil, which was the issue with British Petroleum in 1953 in Iran that led to the CIA-backed coup.

Would appear the 20th century incorporated both geopolitical and energy issues that has aggravated what might now be called a thousand year war in the Middle East. S

I've worked with the author of this book for almost 20 years, so none of all this is really a surprise or shock to me, but most Americans and Europeans do not decipher that we may still be fighting the Crusades. It might have been kept to a low boiling point had the geopolitics of the 20th century been handled much differently.

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I am confused

By bringing up instances in the past, whether here or in Europe are people trying to say that because things similar happened in the past the muslims should be able to commit all the atrocities they are now committing?

that because things happened in the past it is ok for muslims to behead 5 y o?
rape and kille women
etc etc etc?

I don't get the validity of reminding everyone that YES people here and in Europe did horrible things
so therefore muslims doing it now get a pass?
 
nothing is inevitable until it happens but things happen for reasons and it behooves us to look at what has happened over there over the last five hundred years that led to this point.

I like to start with the collapse of the ottoman empire and the way the brits and french carved up arabia in the aftermath.

They intentionally created countries with borders that included groups that hated or feared each other. Some of these groups are extremely provincial, have long standing blood feuds with their neighbors and are resentful of any outside influences. Cajuns on steroids with huge chips on their shoulders. Real clannish.

For a century their kings get appointed by westerners for their own benefit and they see their traditional ways being plowed under. They go ape.

I am not justifying what they do, just trying to analyze the sources of their ferocity.

I have known a fair number of arabs and persians and most are ok people but I have also known some who were beyond reasoning with and incapable of understanding why we might behave in ways they don't understand. This was particularly true with persians I knew when the shah was in power. Ironically, most of these guys were not religious nuts, they were just anti colonial and in some cases socialists. They got wiped out when they went home because they were secularists,

Calls for genocide against foreign enemies do not speak well of the people who make such suggestions. Of course, near genocide has been performed in many places at different times and was successful after a fashion. There is a reason why there are lots of indians in Oklahoma and virtually none in Texas, which used to be inhabited by large numbers of them.

You guys really want to be involved in something like that again?
 
huis
So because their " traditional ways" don't fit into the 21st Century the civilized should do what?
Create a traditional muslim zone where they can practice and treat people like they want?

I think many people including heads of many nations( not sure Bo is among them) understand the source of their hatred> I don't know that ANYONE can understand the atrocities we are seeing all over the muslim world


I am not sure that what we are seeing really is due to the way the nations were created back in the 1920's so now what?

Do you think muslim children are being beheaded because the Brits created countries?
women raped?

which atrocity and how many do you lay at the feet of the rest of the world?
 
most of thisferocity existed before euros showed up there in numbers or started taking over for the oil.

I was trying to explain why the ferocity was directed in our direction as well as to the locals who are enemies.

Trying to describe how something got that way is not the same as saying it is ok or that the offending turtles don't need to be soup/

What has bothered me since the boat got attacked during the clinton administration is the way some of our people adopt the idea that all muslims/arabs/persians need to be vaporized.
Quite aside from the religious proscriptions against genocide, it is akin to dumping gas on burning tires.

Islam flames up every few centuries and usually flames out with time. Remember the Mahdi? Heard of his movement lately?

Indiscriminate killing is an affront to the religion I grew up in and the thought is kind of offensive.
 
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