Are you kidding me?
Wow. Nice Find, Joe Fan!
Some of y’all absolutely amaze me with your intel ability.
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Wow. Nice Find, Joe Fan!
Some of y’all absolutely amaze me with your intel ability.
It is shocking. The numbness of our society is broken a bit; probably not much. My friends are already focusing on Tom Petty. I get that. He was always there in our life for those of you to whom music is life itself.
It is the will to kill that is the difference in society today than in past years...
It is the will to kill that is the difference in society today than in past years...
Joe Fan
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Thanks, other posters have tried to get me kicked out for that stuff
Thanks SABRE. I read about the residence discrepancy in another source but I didn’t know his father was a criminal too.
As Joe Fan says ... a strange profile for a mass murderer.
Non-poker players should NEVER report on things poker...the $100 was video poker, which is among the higher stakes for VP in the casino environment. However, for live poker, $100/hand really is NOT that uncommon. Even at $1/3 tables, it is NOT uncommon to see even the tourists willing to put their mammoth $128 stack in the middle.
And, just for sh*ts and giggles, I took a quick look at Bravo Poker Live...it is mid-afternoon on a Monday in Vegas and there is a $25/50 no-limit game going at the Bellagio that has a waiting list along with waiting lists for an $80/160 mix. And this is just plain poker. It is NOT what poker players consider high stakes...for the nosebleed games, you look in the evenings to Bellagio or the Aria and you can find some $1500/3K games (often a mix). However, the media gets all wet because they thing ohmahgawds there is $50K (or more) in play on the table.
And if the weapons were legally acquired, then that says all the politarding already starting up would result in changes that do NOTHING to preclude situations like this from re-occurring. Every day, MILLIONS of law-abiding gun owners have weapons in their possession that are not fired.
Only a true degenerate would waste money on high stakes video poker.
OUBubba
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Has anyone seen the video of the shooting that seems to show some firing from the 4th floor or so as well? Weird.
I'm withholding any/all judgment. It's going to take some time to break this down. Sadly, much of the misinformation was coming from, you guessed it, fake twitter users from outside of the country.
I'm withholding any/all judgment. It's going to take some time to break this down. Sadly, much of the misinformation was coming from, you guessed it, fake twitter users from outside of the country.
Joe Fan
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Not sure I entirely agree...payouts are often better on the machines in the High Limit rooms and the theoretical loss on $10K would be somewhere around $200 if he was playing remotely close to typical strategy.
Video poker is the game of choice for those who try to get casino status in a hurry simply because there are machines that run better than 98% on the payout, even in the quarter racks. And if someone already had status, they likely are not trying to play the 500 hands per hour (or more) that some manage...
The true degen is more likely to be in the pits...I've seen many a high stakes player piss away small fortunes moving from the poker room to the pits. In fact, last year's Main Even winner was reported to have quickly gone to the baccarat tables as soon as he could after winning.
Clean
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I'm gonna bet Paddock wasn't nearly as well to do as his family thinks. Most high rollers are big losers. I was at a craps table in Vegas and there was a guy playing a color of chip I wasn't familiar with. He had a nice run and won a lot of those funny colored chips. He tipped the dealers big, asked for a limo, and, as he was leaving, he said out loud; "I'm only down $31,000 tonight".
Paddock was probably leveraged up to his eyeballs. He decided to get rich or die trying. Unfortunately he decided not to die alone. Hopefully the Devil is poking him in the a@@ with a pitchfork right now.
Paddock was probably leveraged up to his eyeballs. He decided to get rich or die trying. Unfortunately he decided not to die alone. Hopefully the Devil is poking him in the a@@ with a pitchfork right now.
I’m down $5 lifetime at Vegas.
We’d go out there for Red Flag at least once/year. My roommate and I had never gambled. The Boss (not Springsteen) convinces us to goto the craps table with him and just do what he did.
$5 in ... several .99 shrimp cocktails ... up $75 at one point .... I was ready to bail ...
Mongo “naw Boots hang in there one more roll”
7 out
Lol. Oh well. Ima one time gambling loser.
Vegas gamble ... I faht in your general direction!
Seriously though ... it creates big troubles and it may have been a source for this guy’s bad decision making.
Gambling, in general, does not create troubles. Individuals who lack personal accountability and responsibility may have issues attributable to their failure to control their own impulses. That is NOT the fault of the casino, generally speaking. The Owning Mahowny situations are statistical outliers.
Most people are going to be the once in a lifetime, bucket list people or those like me who go for fun, making some money here and there (I am primarily a poker player, but dabble in the sports book and put just enough coin through the slots to where the comp offers come through). As a data point, MGM showed me as down $300 last year for the slots (they do not track poker, even for tournament spend), although the upgrade at Aria during my trips last June more than made up for that.
Only time will tell whether over-spending proved to be the breaking point for Paddock. But even if it was, it should not be an indictment of gambling as a source of entertainment and revenue.
Good points. The only place in the casino that you can actually make money over the long-term is at the poker table assuming you are a skillful enough player to overcome the rake. That said, even the best poker players have a lot of degenerate in them even Doyle Brunson would agree.
Of course it's about personal accountability, discipline, and responsibility ... but where big gambling is ... crime rate and personal problems are higher. that's a fact.
It's not a subject of mafia/organized crime movies because of the cool flashy lights.
I didn't transmit "anyone who ever gambles is a hooligan ..." Sorry you received that.
Similar issues with drive-thru beer barns, btw. Yeah, poke fun at the Bible Belt Southern Baptist ... but when the law recognized ... the problems were mitigated, and that was when our society demonstrated a greater degree of personal responsibility, accountability and discipline.
What's amazingly tragic ... we dump Blue Laws because they are big brother ... but now even Texas has a "no text/drive" law ... which is redundant because we've always had law prohibiting distracted driving.
So ... the course of the day is what is FELT needs to be addressed to FEED the monster called big government.
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Joe Fan
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An important clarification
Bruce may be an excellent person ... great rocker obviously ... but
he'd have done well to be half the man of Mongo. I'd have walked through fire for that Sq C/C ... no doubt in LARGE part because I'd have had to sprint to get to that fire before he did.
Not enough like him.
Definitely some with bad habits...not all related to gambling (see Stu Ungar as case in point).
Some also have really poor money management at the nosebleed levels...but we digress...
I also have to say that Vegas is one of the few places where I don't feel uncomfortable with $10-20K in my possession while walking around. In Houston, I would be far more cautious...out there, just another day. Not sure I would do the same in Atlantic City though...
Seattle Husker
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Since this is a shot that JoeFan claims only "cowards" make, I'll respond. To my knowledge, nobody has ever advocated getting JoeFan removed from this site. The victim mentality is unbecoming of the quality of some of his posts.
What multiple posters complained about was scale of the personal attacks by JoeFan rather than his ideas. It's a public message board. We should all be open to defending our ideas and when we post what amounts to propaganda or misinformation, own up to it. By all means, post your opinion then be ready to defend it. When it's proven to be BS, own it. I've had a few mea culpa moments here.
Joe Fan
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Tangentially related -- somewhat interesting piece
"..... As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn't even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?
However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.
By the time we published our project, I didn’t believe in many of the interventions I’d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don’t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news....."
However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.
By the time we published our project, I didn’t believe in many of the interventions I’d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don’t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news....."
did you get the notification, Nugz?
Thread is still here.
(Nugz posted this photo in the Political Correctness thread and said this one had disappeared ... apologies for the admin post ...)
OUBubba
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I don't disagree with her mostly. I don't get the need for silencers. It seems like a way for the gun industry to sell more products.
I'd like to think that we could be smarter about managing access to weaponry. We made it more difficult to get fertilizer after 4/19. We made it more challenging to fly after 9/11. Maybe seriously penalize anyone who creates an automatic weapon?
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