Iraq demands US leave their country

I completely forgot how Iran captured our soldiers at sea and made them apologize so it could be shown on Iranian TV when Obama was President. They just didn’t respect Obama and knew he would do nothing.
 
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Yes, my best friend was killed by an IED likely as a result of this piece of scum. I hope he suffered when the drone hit him.
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Sorry to hear about your friend. That really sucks. Death and war are awful, awful things.
 
I am tired of all these people saying yes Suliemani was a really bad man BUT should Trump have killed him?
HOW else would he have been stopped?
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Now apply that logic consistently. There is a lot of evil around the world. See where you end up.
 
What would inflame the Muslim world more? The assassination of bin Laden or this General? In both instances the national sovereignty of Muslim countries was violated. Osama bin Laden was possibly the highest profile martyr and symbol of Pan-Arab anger and fundamentalism. This General was a tool.
I wonder if this General is accountable for more American deaths than on 9/11. Maybe not but how many is too many?
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The difference is that Osama Bin Laden actually was responsible or killing American civilians. Killing him was easily logical.

If the same is true of Suliemanni, why have we never heard his name before? What American civilians did he kill? All this stuff about how bad he was, where was this 1 year ago? 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Well, we know 5 ago the US military was fighting along side him against ISIS.

He was evil. I don't mourn his death. He was evil and deserved death. But there is much more to the story than that.
 
So now the Iraqi Parliament is again telling the US military to get out.

Do they have a right to tell us to get out of their country? How dare they tell us what to do. They must be evil or something.

I say we respect the sovereignty of the state of Iraq and remove our military. It will mean less death of Americans. There will still be Sunni, Shia, Kurds deaths; if they so choose. We should choose not to be involved.

I think it is possible to leave and at the same time protect American citizens, especially when there are no American citizens in Iraq.
 
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So now the Iraqi Parliament is again telling the US military to get out.

Do they have a right to tell us to get out of their country? How dare they tell us what to do. They must be evil or something.

I say we respect the sovereignty of the state of Iraq and remove our military. It will mean less death of Americans. There will still be Sunni, Shia, Kurds deaths; if they so choose. We should choose not to be involved.

I think it is possible to leave and at the same time protect American citizens, especially when there are no American citizens in Iraq.
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No one wants us to leave, even the Germans.
 
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Now apply that logic consistently. There is a lot of evil around the world. See where you end up.
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Lets start with the 700 club. Make a list of all the people that are terrorist and that have killed over 700 Americans and go get them. One down. That one terrorist gone might save 700 more Americans.
 
Dude spent his whole life hating on the Great Satan (which is most of you by the way). He fought America, killed Americans. But in the end, he was taken for his last ride on an American car after getting taken out by an American missile.
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Hezbollah social media propaganda is vowing to repeat group's 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut. Which is ironic since given that they denied it was them
 
Re: Did Trump make us safer or more at risk?

Context from the bin Laden assassination:

Death of Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia

"A CBS/The New York Times poll taken after bin Laden's death showed that 16% of Americans feel safer as the result of his death while 60% of Americans of those polled believe killing bin Laden would likely increase the threat of terrorism against the U.S. in the short term.[169]"
 
Mona
"If the same is true of Suliemanni, why have we never heard his name before? What American civilians did he kill? All this stuff about how bad he was, where was this 1 year ago? 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Well, we know 5 ago the US military was fighting along side him against ISIS."

I am not sure why you were not aware of Suleimani before. He was declared a terrorist by USA and Israel EU years ago.That made the news. Generals serving as CicCentcom or over in the area accused himof as many as 25% of our military deaths in Iraq.
Yes he and the US did fight ISIS> We allied with Stalin too
How many Americans did he kill? Do you consider the people killed in the Benghazi attacks civilians?
I know you are not saying we should not have taken him out since it would inflame the regime? That we should have let him go on killing Americans so as to not make the Iranian regime mad?
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Mona
"If the same is true of Suliemanni, why have we never heard his name before? What American civilians did he kill? All this stuff about how bad he was, where was this 1 year ago? 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Well, we know 5 ago the US military was fighting along side him against ISIS."

I am not sure why you were not aware of Suleimani before. He was declared a terrorist by USA and Israel EU years ago.That made the news. Generals serving as CicCentcom or over in the area accused himof as many as 25% of our military deaths in Iraq.
Yes he and the US did fight ISIS> We allied with Stalin too
How many Americans did he kill? Do you consider the people killed in the Benghazi attacks civilians?
I know you are not saying we should not have taken him out since it would inflame the regime? That we should have let him go on killing Americans so as to not make the Iranian regime mad?
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Below, Biden mentions crimes against American troops and innocents. I think we beheaded the tool. Maybe we should behead the man who makes the orders. That would be one level up. They'll just find someone else. Not sure if this changes anything other than a possible tactical advantage to us if this guy was a military/terror genius.
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Horn6721 said:
Mona
"If the same is true of Suliemanni, why have we never heard his name before? What American civilians did he kill? All this stuff about how bad he was, where was this 1 year ago? 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Well, we know 5 ago the US military was fighting along side him against ISIS."

I am not sure why you were not aware of Suleimani before. He was declared a terrorist by USA and Israel EU years ago.That made the news. Generals serving as CicCentcom or over in the area accused himof as many as 25% of our military deaths in Iraq.
Yes he and the US did fight ISIS> We allied with Stalin too
How many Americans did he kill? Do you consider the people killed in the Benghazi attacks civilians?
I know you are not saying we should not have taken him out since it would inflame the regime? That we should have let him go on killing Americans so as to not make the Iranian regime mad?
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if anybody wants to read up on just how cruel Suleimani was, just read Dan Andros’ piece on “I saw Qasem Soleimani’s brand of evil first hand - It’s Worse than you could possibly imagine”. Jan 3, 2020

In 2015 he met a family that under Soleimani’s orders sent Shia Militias to their house and forced the family to watch as they drilled holes in their 4 year old son’s legs many times. That was the least of the graphic things they did to this 4 year old boy. He was burned as they tortured him. These are first hand accounts from the father of that little boy.

Read up on it and you will be proud of us taking Soleimani out. If anybody has to question if Soleimani has to go or not needs their head needs examined.
 
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What is not getting a lot of reporting is the enormous number of people in Iran Iraq Syria Yemen who are protesting and cheering this murderous thug's death. No they do not have weapons so there is not much they can do
But those who say we should not have done this since it will make people over there need to be reminded that not all of Iran is angry with the USA over this.
 
There is no declaration or act of war that will not create enemies where none existed before, that will not kill innocent people or will not embolden those who desire justification for their actions prior to the attack. The judgment call is to weigh the threat to our interests against the aggression of our interests along with the moral context of our actions in terms of saving future lives versus the possibility that a nation can turn it's cheek seven times seventy times.

Can we forgive the trespasses against others or only against ourselves? If I forgive a third party who trespasses against my neighbor have I over-stepped my authority to address the pain of others?

If we have trusted our lives to an elected representative then have we given them the right to forgive or avenge trespasses against our fellow countrymen?

What is wise. What is holy. What is necessary. What is truth.
 
As another reminder, in 2016 alone, Obama dropped 26,171 bombs, killed a lot of human beings and caused much destruction - dont think he asked for permission from the Republican Senate either

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