Iraq demands US leave their country

Joe Fan said:
In addition, many say Suleimani planned the 2012 attacks in Libya. The US was making its weapons supply to Syrian rebels out of that CIA Annex in Libya, and Suleimani knew it. And thus he was responsible for Benghazi too.
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Here is what former CIA security officer Kris “Tanto” Paranto said about this --

“Everyone knew the Iranians were in Benghazi. Especially once the Red Crescent team from Iran was ‘kidnapped’ by Ansar al-Shariah, we knew about them and were tracking them.”​
 
Mr. Deez said:
CNN is going to hate this, because it does two things. First, obviously they hate that this story makes Trump look good. Second, they hate that it discredits an Obama narrative, which is that Iran is generally ok and should be appeased an trusted.
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Obama was consumed by deferring our national sovereignty and hegemony to the UN. The apology tour was his personal weakness showing. We don't need a President who is embarrassed by who we are.

Yes, we have some things to answer for. We are a mix of human beings. We are ambitious. We are ruthless. But so is every country in the world. The stipulation that a benevolent and compliant America will make the world safer is a complete myth and disastrous foreign policy brief. The American hegemony keeps Russia and China in check because they are a cancer that will metastasize. We are the chemotherapy.

The idea that our media is consumed with attacking Trump is another disastrous condition and fact in this time of American history. The failure of educated white Liberals to see what is happening is the reason it has gained so much traction. Their inability to rise above their petty self-image (virtue signaling) has created a class of soft intellectualism that is actively harming our nation when it comes to the real world. I don't know why they have failed to grasp the dangers inherent in our world but the fact that social issues have completely elbowed out foreign policy (except for the climate change wealth transfer gambit) has resulted in a naive, misinformed and frankly stupid electorate.
 
It SHOULD discredit Obama but will msm admit it?
A clear take away from the links JF provided, the one where Obama praises the policies of Soliemani and the Quds even as He knew Soliemani was killing thousands and even plotted to kill a Saudi Ambassador here in DC as well as the link showing many military in our DOD telling him we needed to arrest or kill Suliemani
the takeaway is Obama ignored facts and supported Suliemani at the expense of hundreds of our military killed.
But no msm will still whine that because Trump took out the man plotting to kill more Americans we should be upset we made some deranged muslims angry their killing hero is dead.
 
Shia Muslims pissed off that the US killed other Shia Muslims. Need to bring in military to get the people out of the embassy, then we need to get out of their country
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I'm generally onboard with the "get out of that country" way of thinking ... but you don't think we should even have an embassy in Iraq?
 
Statalyzer, sure we should. But I don't think we should keep people on the ground if they are threatened. I think it would be much better to de-escalate the situation by leaving and renegotiating. Maybe that wasn't possible in this case or desirable for some reason. But I don't immediately think bombing targets in Iraq is the answer. They protest because we bombed. Then we bomb some more. See where this will lead?
 
The thing none of these reports mention is that the drone strike also killed members of the PMU, which is an Iraqi security militia. These are the guys we partnered with to kick out ISIS.

No doubt Soleimani was a bad dude, but we killed allies to get to him it sounds like.

Plus, when did all you guys start believing what the mainstream media and US intelligence community has to say? I thought they were the Deep State that has corrupted our government and lies to its citizens?

I doubt we are getting the real story. All we hear is, we kill bad Iran man.
 
Monahorns said:
when did all you guys start believing what the mainstream media and US intelligence community has to say? I thought they were the Deep State that has corrupted our government and lies to its citizens?
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Is the mainstream media applauding Trump? As for our intelligence is it not possible that Trump has developed trusted relationships at this point with some of them?
 
First, listen to Ron Paul. See if he sounds reasonable.

Second, how is it that Pompeo and Bolton who have been at odds with Trump and celebrating this drone strike? He got rid of Bolton because he was too aggressive. Pompeo was publicly telling foreign governments about ignoring Trump because he will be out of power in 2021. Clearly they don't agree on things. But now all of sudden. Ta-da! Pompeo just loves this bombing!
 
Mona
I know members of PMF Iran backed Iraqis were killed.
I did not know any PMU were killed

and this? "Pompeo was publicly telling foreign governments about ignoring Trump because he will be out of power in 2021. "??
 
Monahorns said:
Because the media doesn't want anyone to know. Basically our allies against ISIS are now not safe from the US military.
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Just a couple of days ago you were telling us Iran wasn't in Iraq and that was proven false. Like Horn said some links would be helpful.
 
Pompeo said former Obama officials telling Iran to wait. One was Kerry
This is what Pompeo said



I wonder if Mona just misread?
 
Just a couple of days ago you were telling us Iran wasn't in Iraq and that was proven false. Like Horn said some links would be helpful.
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I was commenting that Shia forces in Iraq were being linked to Iran and that should be expected though it doesn't mean Iran itself was running the operation. That was actually true. Suliemanni was not with an Iranian force in Iraq. He was visiting the Iraqi PMU in Baghdad. They have ties due to being Shia.

I have attached 2 or 3 articles plus a video above.
 
Horn6721 said:
It SHOULD discredit Obama but will msm admit it?,,,.
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Monahorns said:
The thing none of these reports mention is that the drone strike also killed members of the PMU, which is an Iraqi security militia. These are the guys we partnered with to kick out ISIS.
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The Obama folks are upset because their plan is now completely undone. It was in part to rely upon Suleimani and his Quds Force to do the work for them. Obama himself pimped them internationally (see above). This was supposed to be Obama's legacy-making realignment of the Middle East, which would allow the US to completely withdraw from the region. Obama's "genius-level" decision was to realign American interests with those of Iran.

But, obviously, their plan was too flawed from the outset. Primarily because Suleimani, in reality, represented the most zealous and blood-drenched part of the most zealous and blood-drenched regime in the region, Iran. All the talk of the JCPOA empowering "moderates" in Iran was nonsense. There are no moderates in power positions in Iran. The cash Obama gave them went to the IRGC + Suleimani + Quds which they then used to massacre the Syrians and Iraqis who resisted Iranian rule of their country. They even had US support under the "counter-ISIS" banner, enjoying our air support directly in Iraq and indirectly in Syria. All the while, the Iranians were expanding their own agenda and sphere. IMO, this was disgraceful, a complete disaster.

Despite all the obvious flaws, the Obama people still had their egos fully invested in this idea. Indeed, they have been using John Kerry to advise the Iranians on how they should respond to Trump. I have zero doubt that his "advice" is part of what led to the recent increased Iranian-led violence in Iraq. Many are saying the Iranians' next step was a coup in Baghdad. One can only wonder what the Iranians are thinking of Kerry's value as an advisor today.

And, in any event, today all of that is gone, just like most or all of Obama's domestic policy legacy. And so they are upset. This was going to be their glorious place in the history books. This was going to be something they could ride on for the rest of their lives, at think tanks, universities and fabulous gatherings like Davos and Aspen. But mean ol Drumph ruined it all for them.
 
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The Pentagon has been going against Iran for years now. Why do you think the Obama got the US military involved in Syria to begin with? To reduce the influence of Iran in the region. It had too much after US and Iraqi forces defeated ISIS. They were Sunni. That made a Shia power center stretching from Syria to Iran. Israel and Saudi Arabia don't want that, so we then went after the Shia.

I don't have any links on this, but my speculation is that is what the drone strike of Suliemanni is about. It also sounds like he was a bad, bad guy too. So it is hard to be against his death. It is all the surrounding nonsense I have a problem with.
 
Here is a quote from a book ("The Exile") about when Suleimani celebrated Eid with the children of Osama bin Laden. He took them to Friday prayers in Tehran to hear “Death to America.”
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IRGC confirmed the names of 4 senior members killed with Suleimani:

1- General Hussein Jaafari Naya
2- Colonel Shahroud Muzaffari Niya
3- Major Hadi Tarmi
4-Captain Waheed Zamanian
 
Monahorns said:
I was commenting that Shia forces in Iraq were being linked to Iran and that should be expected though it doesn't mean Iran itself was running the operation.
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Come on, man. I respect you, Mona but Soleimani's name was written on the walls of the embassy by the "protestors". This was Iran's doing. Your sources are not correct.
 
I think my sources are correct and the other facts as presented by others. I just think the situation is very mixed up where we ally with bad guys and then go against them later.

As for Suliemanni having a relationship with Osama and his sons. It is just very bizarre to see Shia and Sunni worshipping together. Osama was a part of Al Qaeda that turned into ISIS that Suleimanni then fought in Iraq. Him fighting ISIS in Iraq makes sense due to the Shia connection. Him allying with Sunni doesn't make sense to me. There must be some underlying information that hasn't come to light yet, which would explain that.

This is all so confusing.
 
Khamenei went by to visit the widow of terror chief Suleimani.
She is this black curtain in the middle of the picture.
He brought her a nice aquarium-themed children's birthday cake and some 3-day old bananas.

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So it also sounds like the Iranian Commander in Yemen, Abdul Reza Shahla'i, has also been killed (in Sanaa)
This is another high-ranking IRGC officer, who had a close relationship with Soleimani dating back to their time together in the Iran-Iraq war
The US had a $15M bounty on him
If true, there is some serious clean-up still going on out there
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