Impeachment

mchammer said:
Incorrect on all counts. Trump likes the show and helps the story along with tweets. Should be viewed as merging politics and entertainment.
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He may be entertaining his supporters, but attacking a female ambassador on Twitter is not a recipe for winning independents (esp women) in the swing states. This entire Ukraine story really should never have happened. Why is he wasting his valuable time worrying about Hunter freaking Biden. He is killing it on the economy. Stick to that message.
 
UTChE96 said:
He may be entertaining his supporters, but attacking a female ambassador on Twitter is not a recipe for winning independents (esp women) in the swing states. This entire Ukraine story really should never have happened. Why is he wasting his valuable time worrying about Hunter freaking Biden. He is killing it on the economy. Stick to that message.
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I think it's similar to the Republicans obsession with Bill Clinton. It is my opinion that they knew he was a world-class liar but were frustrated they couldn't pin it on him so they settled on Monica's blue dress for the weapon.

Trump is probably pissed as hell that the Biden's can get away with this when Trump's own kids are ripped constantly in the media. So he goes off.

I think the general public tends to forget that these insiders know so much more than we do and they know we're stupid and ignorant. We believe in them and react emotionally (the stupidity) and know nothing of the true facts (the ignorant).
 
UTChE96 said:
He may be entertaining his supporters, but attacking a female ambassador on Twitter is not a recipe for winning independents (esp women) in the swing states. This entire Ukraine story really should never have happened. Why is he wasting his valuable time worrying about Hunter freaking Biden. He is killing it on the economy. Stick to that message.
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I do wish Trump would just sit back and let the Libs keep digging deeper with the schitt show. But I also don’t think that tweet will make any difference at all when those independent women are seeing the embarrassment of the left. This sham out weighs everything and it will show in 2020.
 
Swalwell sums of their case for impeachment


"How dare you!"
"You are full of Schiff"
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Another Democrat/Media conspiracy theory of Trump, at the last minute, after it was supposedly all set for Pence to go to Zelensky's inaugural, debunked by Ms. Williams. They told Ukraine the window was May 30, 31, or June 1.

On May 13 she was told to stop trip planning. On May 14, Ukraine says the inauguration will be May 20. Impossible to plan that and totally debunks the myth that Trump nefariously pulled the plug to apply more pressure on Zelensky.
 
horninchicago said:
Chris Wallace saying she is credible and her testimony is troubling for Trump.

Of course he does. And liberals and Dems say Fox News is in Trump's and the Rs corner. Wallace has had it out for Trump for quite a while.
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FNS was once the only Sunday show that I could watch. Now it is unwatchable also.
 
mchammer said:
Recall the commentary from our tin foil hat residents?
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You haven't seen anything yet. If the IG's report is damning you can expect the MSM to blame this on Barr's corruption and how it tainted the investigation. Expect the MSM bots here to parrot that assessment.
 
I did not know that LtCol Vindman got a purple heart while in Iraq. That is admirable.
Nothing should denigrate that and I will not but he returned to duty the same day.
 
Horn6721 said:
I did not know that LtCol Vindman got a purple heart while in Iraq. That is admirable.
Nothing should denigrate that and I will not but he returned to duty the same day.
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But, like General Flynn, it does not mean he may be above reproach. The Dems vilified Flynn and called him a liar.

Purple Heart or not, this guy could have nefarious reasons for doing what he has done.
 
I read that Vindman said it was improper for a President to ask a foreign power to investigate a political opponent. Did he say there was a quid pro quo? Bribery? Is Trump supposed to not ask for foreign help at all? Was not the Steele Dossier prepared by a foreigner (Christopher Steele,[3] a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence - aka MI6)?
 
Garmel said:
You haven't seen anything yet. If the IG's report is damning you can expect the MSM to blame this on Barr's corruption and how it tainted the investigation. Expect the MSM bots here to parrot that assessment.
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Have you noticed since the sham of an impeachment proceedings (charade) started we haven’t heard much from the three. I have nothing going on at work so I decided to have some fun and look at a time line for them three posting here.

Sept 24th - Nov 1st called the “We got Trump this time Phase”

Here’s the breakdown.

Sept 24th - 30th. Posting numbers.
SH = 65
LH = 16
Bubba = 2

Oct 1st - 31st
SH = 279
LH = 65
Bubba = 60
(Oct 23rd). I warned them “You guys always think y’all have Trump this time are only setting yourself up for disappointment everytime”

Nov 1st -12th (two of the three are starting to question themselves as more info comes out)
SH = 36
LH = 12
Bubba = 40

I call this the “Time we move on and find another “we got Trump this time” for blah blah blah phase” (reality sets in)
Schitt’s Show Circus starts Nov 12th
SH = 7 :yikes:
LH = 16 (mostly to talk about Roger Stone)
Bubba = 20

Pre-Schitt show Sept 24th - Nov 12th
SH = 380
LH= 93
Bubba = 102

Start of Schitt Show to Date
SH = 7
LH = 16
Bubba = 20

It took me about an hour but so much fun exposing the difference when they were believing the lies until that moment they felt they’ve been had again by Adam Schitt. You could actually picture their expression when it just got real.
 
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I35 said:
Have you noticed since the sham of an impeachment proceedings (charade) started we haven’t heard much from the three. I have nothing going on at work so I decided to have some fun and look at a time line for them three posting here.

Sept 24th - Nov 1st called the “We got Trump this time Phase”

Here’s the breakdown.

Sept 24th - 30th. Posting numbers.
SH = 65
LH = 16
Bubba = 2

Oct 1st - 31st
SH = 279
LH = 65
Bubba = 60
(Oct 23rd). I warned them “You guys always think y’all have Trump this time are only setting yourself up for disappointment everytime”

Nov 1st -12th two of the three are starting to question themselves as more info comes out)
SH = 36
LH = 12
Bubba = 40

I call this the “Time we move on and find another “we got Trump this time” for blah blah blah phase” (reality sits in)
Schitt’s Show Circus starts Nov 12th
SH = 7 :yikes:
LH = 16 (mostly to talk about Roger Stone)
Bubba = 20

Pre-Schitt show Sept 24th - Nov 12th
SH = 380
LH= 93
Bubba = 102

Start of Schitt Show to Date
SH = 7
LH = 16
Bubba = 20

It took me about an hour but so much fun exposing the difference when they were believing the lies until that moment they felt they’ve been had again by Adam Schitt. You could actually picture their expression when it just got real.
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Isn't the annual Tin Foil Hat Association meeting this week in Bubba's Trailer?
 
When Nunes asked Vindman "What agency was this individual from?" and is interrupted by Schiff, Schiff says "...we need to protect the whistleblower."

Later, the Republicans seem to be trying to establish that by going outside of his chain of command to report his concerns, after being advised by the NSC lawyers not to talk to anyone, that he, in fact, did talk to the so-called whistleblower. Doesn't Schiff's remark above indicate that he didn't allow Vindman to answer Nunes because that is exactly what he did was talk to the whistleblower?

I think the Rs did a good job, as they have with the other "witnesses" that, in this case, Vindman seems upset that his "talking points" that he prepared for the phone call were not followed. Another case of hurt feelings seeing as he how he characterizes himself as the expert on Ukraine policy.
 
Joe Fan said:
Latest polling shows the impeachers losing the indies when their witnesses are thrust into the light of day
20 point shift - Before hearings, impeachment at +15 among independents, now at -5
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/191151_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_JB.pdf
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This isn't a big shock. There was so much **** talked by the Democrats and especially the media, and the initially stories presented by Bill Taylor and George Kent (especially the leaks) looked damning. However, under examination, none had personal knowledge, despite all the hoopla, and Yovanovitch's testimony was largely superfluous. It reminds me of a lawyer who presents a very dramatic opening statement about what terrible things the evidence shows and then doesn't put on evidence that actually shows those terrible things. It also doesn't help that they initially did so much by leaking. I think that fosters suspicion by fair-minded people. They should have just laid low.

Another thing that I think makes a difference is that I think a lot of people aren't buying the "Biden is pure as the wind-driven snow" narrative. I think they see an inherent sleaziness (that's frankly pretty obvious) to the arrangement and think an administration would have good reason to look into it. That doesn't mean they did it the right way, but the public cares less about procedure.

The Sondland testimony could change the game a lot, because unlike the others, he is actually privy to what Trump was doing and what his intentions were. If he turns on Trump, things could turn much uglier. However, if he doesn't give the Democrats anything pretty decisive, this thing could fizzle out to the point that impeachment is only supported by a pissed off base that wanted him impeached from Day 1 and never cared about the facts anyway.
 
I35 said:
Have you noticed since the sham of an impeachment proceedings (charade) started we haven’t heard much from the three. I have nothing going on at work so I decided to have some fun and look at a time line for them three posting here.

Sept 24th - Nov 1st called the “We got Trump this time Phase”

Here’s the breakdown.

Sept 24th - 30th. Posting numbers.
SH = 65
LH = 16
Bubba = 2

Oct 1st - 31st
SH = 279
LH = 65
Bubba = 60
(Oct 23rd). I warned them “You guys always think y’all have Trump this time are only setting yourself up for disappointment everytime”

Nov 1st -12th two of the three are starting to question themselves as more info comes out)
SH = 36
LH = 12
Bubba = 40

I call this the “Time we move on and find another “we got Trump this time” for blah blah blah phase” (reality sits in)
Schitt’s Show Circus starts Nov 12th
SH = 7 :yikes:
LH = 16 (mostly to talk about Roger Stone)
Bubba = 20

Pre-Schitt show Sept 24th - Nov 12th
SH = 380
LH= 93
Bubba = 102

Start of Schitt Show to Date
SH = 7
LH = 16
Bubba = 20

It took me about an hour but so much fun exposing the difference when they were believing the lies until that moment they felt they’ve been had again by Adam Schitt. You could actually picture their expression when it just got real.
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Do you need my work schedule? My daughter's softball, basketball and soccer schedules? My other daughter's hospitalization calendar? Maybe the schedule of the business that my wife and I opened as a "side hustle" on 10/1/19? Capitalism, Yo! Or do you think I was awaiting my marching orders from Schiff and Pelosi?
 
I usually try to watch hearings when they happen because it's better than the opinion talking heads' run down later in the day but I seriously cannot watch these hearings. They are so retarded.
 
Mr. Deez said:
The Sondland testimony could change the game a lot, because unlike the others, he is actually privy to what Trump was doing and what his intentions were.
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The problem with Soldland is his original testimony was different from the later calling his memory “refreshed” after hearing/reviewing Bill Taylor and Tim Morrison opening statements to Congress.

I scratched him off the list as being credible at that point.
 
OUBubba said:
Do you need my work schedule? My daughter's softball, basketball and soccer schedules? My other daughter's hospitalization calendar? Maybe the schedule of the business that my wife and I opened as a "side hustle" on 10/1/19? Capitalism, Yo! Or do you think I was awaiting my marching orders from Schiff and Pelosi?
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Oh......Hey there Barry. I thought you went on vacation. But relax. This was more about SH than you and LH. You stayed consistent for the most part. Don’t go start getting triggered on me now.
 
Democrat Counsel seems to be making the case again that if the President doesn't follow career government people's talking points, he should be impeached.
 
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Volker thinks we should be more concerned with ridding Ukraine of its own corruption and building its democracy than investigating meddling in our election and corruption with Biden. Got it.
 
I35 said:
The problem with Soldland is his original testimony was different from the later calling his memory “refreshed” after hearing/reviewing Bill Taylor and Tim Morrison opening statements to Congress.

I scratched him off the list as being credible at that point.
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I suspect that if Sondland exonerates Trump, you'll find him credible.
 
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