IMO, the Fix is in

Lets just say, anything Sidney Powell says I will be wearing my boots. She is a Trump blowhard. And if any of that is factual and there is any thing illegal why are they not proving it in court? It is all hearsay. If you prove to me legally then I will believe it. But again even Trump's magical legal team can't prove any of the allegations. Its too bad ya'll are blinded by Trump and his lies to boost his ego and is selfish to the American people. This is worse than the Clinton supporters crying in 2016.
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WillUSAF. The analyses I am posting are not from Sidney Powell or Trump. They are from a data analyst from Texas somewhere. I suggest you read the analyses because they are interesting and helpful to understand what happened.

My reference to Mrs. Powell was that she is looking at the same data. Whether anything comes from her involvement or not, I don't know.
 
Phil Elliott said:
Since you asked nicely:

BREAKING: Huge Legal Victory for President Trump in Pennsylvania
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Court blocks small number of ballots in Pennsylvania over ID

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A Pennsylvania judge sided with President Donald Trump’s campaign Thursday and ordered counties not to count a tiny number of mail-in or absentee ballots for which the voter didn’t submit valid identification within six days after the Nov. 3 election.

The injunction issued by Commonwealth Court Judge Mary Hannah Leavitt deals with an as-yet unknown number of ballots that may number a few thousand, or less.

Is that huge???
 
A. I read those analyses. Good detail but much of the fluctuations are bipartisan. On the whole, the favor Biden. However, that would lend credence to the fact that by mail voting was encouraged and practiced much more by the Democrats as POTUS was telling his people to vote in person. Mail ballots were 85%ish Biden from my understanding.

B. As of last night Trump's legal team was 1-22 in court and will be credited with creating a few great things. 1. "a non zero number". 2. Four Seasons Landscaping. OMG that was THE BEST!
 
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A. I read those analyses. Good detail but much of the fluctuations are bipartisan. On the whole, the favor Biden. However, that would lend credence to the fact that by mail voting was encouraged and practiced much more by the Democrats as POTUS was telling his people to vote in person. Mail ballots were 85%ish Biden from my understanding.

B. As of last night Trump's legal team was 1-22 in court and will be credited with creating a few great things. 1. "a non zero number". 2. Four Seasons Landscaping. OMG that was THE BEST!
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1-22 isn't too bad....
 
A. I read those analyses. Good detail but much of the fluctuations are bipartisan. On the whole, the favor Biden. However, that would lend credence to the fact that by mail voting was encouraged and practiced much more by the Democrats as POTUS was telling his people to vote in person. Mail ballots were 85%ish Biden from my understanding.
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You are correct Bubba.

It details the anomalies in a clear and understandable way. The question is, are anomalies evidence of fraud. Logic tells us that things that are more and more anomalous are more likely to be fraud. The things that are most anomalous favor Biden by 100,000s of votes across all states analyzed so far.

It is a hell of an amount of smoke. Enough to kill everyone in the house. It is most reasonable to think there is a serious fire going on in the house.

But yes. How do you determine what votes are legitimate vs illegitimate?

Just throwing out 1 to 2 to 3 really suspect updates turns the vote results over in each case. Maybe not PA. But all others.
 
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So some fraud is okay? I will remember that next election.
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Every election has some fraud. Some on purpose and some out of ignorance. This is purposeful: Man arrested for voter fraud in Luzerne County | wnep.com

A little old lady in our county voted twice (absentee and in person) a few years ago to vote against the marijuana law. The actual DA showed up at her door on Wednesday morning to let her know that it was a felony and that if she did it again "on accident" that he would be more aggressive.
 
To me another explanation is that those could be the larger, urban counties that took longer to count. We'll see.
 
In today's very close elections with technology and ample resources, this level of fraud is unacceptable. Additionally, the mish mash of how to handle voting as greatly diminished voter trust. There are documented suspicious processes and voter turnout that simply create greater distrust. If by some miracle, Trump comes back through the courts, I suspect the democrats will change their minds on the fairness of the election.

The democrats statements of "no widespread" fraud do not help with voter confidence and ultimately could end our republic. Just let the courts and potential recounts play out.
 
A consideration in the large ballot drops would be the States that required the mail in ballots to start counting on election day after the same day in person counts were completed would result in large numbers of mail in ballots counted as a group.
Florida allowed the mail in ballots to be counted as received and eliminated the large grouping of mail in ballots counts starting election day pm.
 
PecosBill said:
A consideration in the large ballot drops would be the States that required the mail in ballots to start counting on election day after the same day in person counts were completed would result in large numbers of mail in ballots counted as a group.
Florida allowed the mail in ballots to be counted as received and eliminated the large grouping of mail in ballots counts starting election day pm.
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Sadly, you are correct and the GOP was doing this on purpose to create this confusion in hopes to get it to the state Houses in a few states.
 
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Is the strategy to get these cases to SCOTUS?
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I think that was an option. And, if it were just one state it might be a thing. It's three states so I think that's like Kyler Murray hitting three consecutive Hail Mary's on the run in SIGNIFICANT traffic. That's why ACB was rushed through pre-election. They could have always done it lame duck and still had the "high ground" prior to the election and put the lever on a few hard line pro-life people that some part of the pro-life future was on the ballot if that seat was hanging "in the balance". To me it was telling how they felt their prospects were when they rushed her through.
 
No one has yet to explain why multiple states suspended counting on election night at the exact same time....not to mention at the moment when it began appearing like a repeat of 2016.
You can ignore the latter if you like, but the former warrants a very credible and reasonable explanation.
I'd also like to hear reasonable explanations on containers of ballots being dropped off in the middle of the night.....Who does this? And why? Why middle of the night? Where were they? Who had them? Were any Republican pollsters involved? What kind of worker/role was handling this? And what kind of oversight was there? Why did this apparently only happen in swing counties/areas/states? (If not, why not just show the same happened elsewhere?) And right after halting counting? Where did they come from? What type ballots were they? Were they checked against the rolls? How did Trump go from up by 4pts in these states to down by same margin after counting was halted. All in one night? ... not a trickle in of mailed ballots over days...
Who coordinated this? (The ballot drops, and halting)
Why does it appear to have been primarily focused in heavily urban, heavily minority counties? If it's a thing shouldn't it be more of a thing??

There may be reasonable explanations for all of this...though I highly doubt it on the unprecedented halting of counting question especially.
Whatever the explanations are... seems if they are so readily available they would have been provided quickly, clearly and thoroughly....and certainly by now.

I'm all ears on the apparently coordinated timing of count halting over multiple swing states question in particular.

And seriously...have you guys looked at the statistical analysis of this election? I know some of you like math and science alot.
The statistical analysis strongly supports major and unprecedented anomalies in the voting....in particular in some of these "swing" areas alone when isolated.
 
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The assumption is that these anomalies are from mail in voting. But I haven't seen any data that shows that to be the case.

They have to go back to the ballots to see what kind they were and the other metadata.
 
RainH2burntO said:
No one has yet to explain why multiple states suspended counting on election night at the exact same time....not to mention at the moment when it began appearing like a repeat of 2016.
You can ignore the latter if you like, but the former warrants a very credible and reasonable explanation.
I'd also like to hear reasonable explanations on containers of ballots being dropped off in the middle of the night.....Who does this? And why? Why middle of the night? Why did this apparently only happen in swing counties/areas/states? (If not, why not just show the same happened elsewhere?) And right after halting counting? Where did they come from? What type ballots were they? Were they checked against the rolls? How did Trump go from up by 4pts in these states to down by same margin after counting was halted. All in one night? ... not a trickle in of mailed ballots over days...
Who coordinated this? (The ballot drops, and halting)
Why does it appear to have been primarily focused in heavily urban, heavily minority counties? If it's a thing shouldn't it be more of a thing??

There may be reasonable explanations for all of this...though I highly doubt it on the unprecedented halting of counting question especially.
Whatever the explanations are... seems if they are so readily available they would have been provided quickly, clearly and thoroughly....and certainly by now.

I'm all ears on the apparently coordinated timing of count halting over multiple swing states question in particular.

And seriously...have you guys looked at the statistical analysis of this election? I know some of you like math and science alot.
The statistical analysis strongly supports major and unprecedented anomalies in the voting....in particular in some of these "swing" areas alone when isolated.
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The "anomolies" are:
1. It's a global pandemic unlike anything seen in our lifetimes.
2. Early voting was SIGNIFICANT. 2020 General Election Early Vote Statistics Republicans made up 30% of that 101,000,000 votes. See #2 - Trump disadvantage = 70,000,000. Absentee voting was embraced by one party and not the other. 92,000,000 mail ballots were requested. Republicans only made up 26% of those. So, any counting of these ballots after the dust settled on election day was going to lean Dem. (Early voting and absentee voting were in the same bucket).
3. 26,500,000 voted early who did not vote in 2016. That seems significant.
4. Some states have relatively archaic rules that don't sync up with calling an election on election day. In Pennsylvania as long as the ballot was post marked by election day and received within three days it was a legal ballot.
5. States that did early counting of those votes were able to dump them in at poll closing and their numbers were stable. Florida comes to mind. The GOP fought this for some reason.
6. 13 million more people voted than voted in 2016.
7. As much as Hillary was an unlikable candidate, to quote the great sheriff, Buford T. Justice, "bank robbin's baby **** along side what this dude's been doing". Indians tire of him using Pocahontas as a slur. They did not like Trump "honoring" the code talkers under a portrait of andrew jackson (his name was mud in my house growing up and I'm only part Indian). Smash cut to this: Arizona 2020 presidential election results Those three blue regions look similar to this: ARIZONA Indian tribes: BIA contact info, web links
Now, before you go to googling, yes, HRC won the same counties. But, this time there were 385,000 votes for Biden compared to 243,000 for HRC. A difference of 142,000 votes. He lost Arizona by 13,000 votes.
 
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Phil Elliott said:
Since you asked nicely:

BREAKING: Huge Legal Victory for President Trump in Pennsylvania
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Here's what winning looks like for Liberals; strict constructionism by they way; the letter of the law:

Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejects Trump campaign lawsuit over election observers in Philadelphia

"The Pennsylvania Supreme Court threw out one of the Trump campaign's longest-running post-election complaints Tuesday, ruling that officials in Philadelphia did not violate state law by maintaining at least 15 feet of separation between observers and the workers counting ballots.

But the state Supreme Court reversed that ruling by a vote of 5-2. It said Pennsylvania law requires only that observers must be allowed “in the room” where ballots are counted but does not set a minimum distance between them and the counting tables. The Legislature left it up to county election boards to make these decisions, the court said.'

In other words, they punted. They don't care.

Contrast that with the ACA case where Liberals are flooding the airwaves with all the people who will be hurt if the law is ruled unconstitutional. The law doesn't matter. The Constitution doesn't matter. They just want it and they want a new law written into stone by SCOTUS that will be pulled from thin air.
 
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Here's what winning looks like for Liberals; strict constructionism by they way; the letter of the law:

Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejects Trump campaign lawsuit over election observers in Philadelphia

"The Pennsylvania Supreme Court threw out one of the Trump campaign's longest-running post-election complaints Tuesday, ruling that officials in Philadelphia did not violate state law by maintaining at least 15 feet of separation between observers and the workers counting ballots.

But the state Supreme Court reversed that ruling by a vote of 5-2. It said Pennsylvania law requires only that observers must be allowed “in the room” where ballots are counted but does not set a minimum distance between them and the counting tables. The Legislature left it up to county election boards to make these decisions, the court said.'

In other words, they punted. They don't care.

Contrast that with the ACA case where Liberals are flooding the airwaves with all the people who will be hurt if the law is ruled unconstitutional. The law doesn't matter. The Constitution doesn't matter. They just want it and they want a new law written into stone by SCOTUS that will be pulled from thin air.
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This is such a non issue as the people doing the counting are bipartisan anyway. It's like getting pissy on the ACA because of the kind of insurance card they give you to put in your wallet.
 
Bubba
You lose any credibility when you post lies like this
"Absentee voting was embraced by one party and not the other"

Did you mean to offer an explanation of why 6 states stopped counting?
And why in Fulton County Ga did counting stop at 10 pm and the GOP Poll Watchers sent home, then counting resumed for several hours with NO GOP watchers present. Nah that is not suspicious
 
OUBubba said:
The "anomolies" are:
1. It's a global pandemic unlike anything seen in our lifetimes.
2. Early voting was SIGNIFICANT. 2020 General Election Early Vote Statistics Republicans made up 30% of that 101,000,000 votes. See #2 - Trump disadvantage = 70,000,000. Absentee voting was embraced by one party and not the other. 92,000,000 mail ballots were requested. Republicans only made up 26% of those. So, any counting of these ballots after the dust settled on election day was going to lean Dem. (Early voting and absentee voting were in the same bucket).
3. 26,500,000 voted early who did not vote in 2016. That seems significant.
4. Some states have relatively archaic rules that don't sync up with calling an election on election day. In Pennsylvania as long as the ballot was post marked by election day and received within three days it was a legal ballot.
5. States that did early counting of those votes were able to dump them in at poll closing and their numbers were stable. Florida comes to mind. The GOP fought this for some reason.
6. 13 million more people voted than voted in 2016.
7. As much as Hillary was an unlikable candidate, to quote the great sheriff, Buford T. Justice, "bank robbin's baby **** along side what this dude's been doing". Indians tire of him using Pocahontas as a slur. They did not like Trump "honoring" the code talkers under a portrait of andrew jackson (his name was mud in my house growing up and I'm only part Indian). Smash cut to this: Arizona 2020 presidential election results Those three blue regions look similar to this: ARIZONA Indian tribes: BIA contact info, web links
Now, before you go to googling, yes, HRC won the same counties. But, this time there were 385,000 votes for Biden compared to 243,000 for HRC. A difference of 142,000 votes. He lost Arizona by 13,000 votes.
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This ^^^^does not impress, Bubba. :)
Those aren't all of the anamolies..not close. And I don't wish to invest the time to even try to dig into all of them. Too nice of a day.
Many of your points could be viewed as supporting your case...or another case..in particular #s 3, 6, and 7.
I don't even begin to believe Joe was some kind of stirring candidate that moved the needle for a bunch of people who typically don't vote. Looked about as lame. .or lamer than HRCs ticket (if that's possible) and other than the radical elements and diehards of the party who are completely sold out I saw little indication going in of the type of impassioned support he supposedly turned out.
There was a large portion of the voting public obviously turned off by much of what they saw from the left this year.. and it showed in results....but not in the vote for Joe and not in key/swing states/counties.
And no one can explain the count halting and its timeliness between the states, still.

I don't have the time or energy to go into all of the anamolies...it wouldn't matter anyway.
I would recommend you take some time to look at some of the statisticians who considered the circumstances of the year and the election and still came to some very interesting and insightful "conclusions".
I think it is interesting....and quite curious.
But honestly all I need is discernment, eyes to see, ears to hear, a mind and a spirit.
You guys obviously see something you like about the Democratic/liberal movement in America and feel differently about the other side and for me and my family it is quite the opposite. What I see, hear and can discern from the liberal movement in America pretty much flies directly in the face of everything I have come to believe and that my wife and I stand for and teach our 5 young children every day. It goes waay beyond politics for us....and if any of you think anyone from either side of the aisle will be the answer to what ails us...you are sadly mistaken.
I will state one more time, all of my questions are reasonable and we should all desire to know truth... the truth...in its entirety...politics aside....about everything related to this election....and much else going on in our country these days.
I personally do not believe everyone desires this ^^^^^sincerely.
But.......Bubba....but but but...
I picked OU this weekend and have been educating the guys on why they will beat OSU....so we've got that!
 
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OUBubba said:
This is such a non issue as the people doing the counting are bipartisan anyway. It's like getting pissy on the ACA because of the kind of insurance card they give you to put in your wallet.
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I'm not out there thinking fraud occurred and I appreciated the stats you posted. I just don't like how loose this ruling appears to be.

As for ACA, I like the portability and the ability to keep your kids on your company plan until they are 26. I feel it will be very harsh if it is repealed, but that's not a reason to pass it if it's unconstitutional.
 
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