I should have stayed for the 'B' game...

This is the most bizarre thread I have ever read. Ldy I think you did a bang up job. I would have sent her home and beat him black and blue. I know I would be in the wrong but it is what I would have done. Not so much for what they were doing but where they were doing it.

I admire those of you that remained virgins until you were thirty. Not because you didn't have sex but because you stuck to your beliefs. I do admire that. I'm not sure how you did it.

What I don't admire is looking down on other people that don't share your beliefs.

I don't think sex is wrong. I have no idea how many women I have slept with. I can tell you it is every good looking gal that said yes to my not so "decent" proposals.

I do believe we have to respect one another for the world to function well. But if you are an adult male and have only had one sex partner in your life I would surmise you are one boring SOB.

People that have had more sex partners are more likely to be good at it. That is a plus in my book. I'm not looking for a deep spiritual experience from sex. For me it is as primal thing now as it was a million years ago when I was a teen.

It is a leisure time activity just like college football except (hopefully) you get into more than 12 games a year!

Certainly interesting to see the different view points expressed here.
 
Dude- I didn't hear anyone here say 30 years old. I was 22 or 23 or some such. And I'd like to think that I didn't live a boring life even while a virgin.

I'll put it to you this way- I lived a way more exciting life doing whatever I wanted to do, travelling around the country and the world, going to every football game Ricky's senior year etc while I was a virgin then my roomate did who was sexually active at 16. And it was basically b/c of this. He was hooked into the girl he would marry (she's great btw) from that time and so didn't have time, inclination or ability to do some of the things I did.

There's a reason that people can call it the ball and chain.

My life became way less "exciting" after I became sexually active. I would bet most people in a monogomous relationship would say their life is less exciting then before they had a steady lover.

Now- less exciting isn't bad, it can be way more fulfilling and more happy, but I wouldn't confuse lack of sexual activity necessarily with boring and I"ve seen it go the other way (relationship terms) more often than not.
 
Well as long as it works for you that is all that matters. I just look at sex differently than you guys. I can't say that I would ever refer to my sex life being a ball and chain. It is a part of everyday life as much as eating dinner or whatever.

I just think it is wrong to convey to children that sex is wrong and it is evil. It is certainly not a necessary part of some peoples lives as you have pointed out.

But it is a basic primal thing for most of us and as long as responsible and use good judgment it is no different than the occassional drink or piece of chocolate.
 
I don't think anyone here said that sex was wrong or evil. Just that the proper context of it was within a marital relationship.

2 wildly different things. And I agree, it should be a part of a persons more or less daily life.
 
i haven't read this entire thread to see if this has been mentioned, but isn't LdyLnghrn the author of a particularly famous and raunchy post on 3:16? if so, i guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
Kids have sex about the time they think they are in love and when they want to have sex. Girls clearly get pressured a lot more often than boys. Boys tend to have sex at about the earliest opportunity possible in most cases, girls not so much.

God makes us horny when we are young because biologically that is the best time to have kids when we are young and strong. Financially and emotionally the most ****** up time, but biologically is a different animal.

I want my daughters both to feel they can talk to me about sex to some degree. I don't need the details, but I would rather them be educated on the pill and wearing condoms if they decide that they feel they are ready for sexual activity. I pray to God it's at an older age, but prayers and reality are not often on the same plane.

Openess and honesty (to a degree- I was pretty wild so I will move some dates back for my daughters until they are older then be more completely honest if they ask). My fear is mainly of disease, with pregnancy in the background. protect from diisease and you often also are protecting from pregnancy as well. As I said I want them on the pill and using condoms if that's their choice.

Ultimately kids are going to do what they want to as they get older. You can try and control their actions, but the carrot and communication are better tools than punsihment and "I can't beleive you woudl do that" mentality!

Now if I hadn't had sex until I was in my early 20's I would probably feel different, about sex prior to that age. I hope my girls wait that long, but **** by 25 I had enough sexual experience to the point where honestly I knew what I wanted and Sex was only one component of it. I got married that year. Had sex from the age of 18 on pretty regularly, and sporadically before that. I don't really expect my daughters to be a whole hell of a lot different. I can hope, but I am a realist and communication is the angle I am hanging my hat on.
 
Actually, the biological situation is a bit screwed up. The best childbearing years for women are their late 20s, IIRC. Not as soon as they're physically capable.

This is based on stillbirths, neonotal mortality rates, low birth weights, etc.
 
I think the numbers are skewed due to environmental factors.
In modern times a 28 year old is a LOT more likely to take better care of themselves and their baby.
 
Really interseting thread. I figured I'd throw out that Wulaw isn't alone- I came to a fairly similar conclusion about dating and stayed out of it until I was in college, and married as a virgin. Ultimately married a wonderful young woman who'd done something similar.

And it wasn't 100% upbringing- while my parents put some pretty strong values into me, my mother was absolutely shocked when I told her I didn't intend to start dating until I was ready to look for a wife.
 
So is a 23-year-old yet the numbers present a smooth curve that bottoms out between 25 and 29. The numbers start going back up near the end of a mother's 20s and accelerate even more rapidly in her 30s.

Obviously a 35-year-old woman is even more able to care for herself than a 28-year-old woman.
 
A beautiful woman has a much better chance of getting taken care of better than an ugly one.

At least at my house
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Younger also works to their advantage.
 
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