'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

I'm all for taking away federal subsidies and Alt Energy and EV mandates, but we do not need to do things that are actively hostile and restrictive. this includes getting in the way of states that want to do their own thing with alternate energy.

If wind and solar are implemented, the only way to do it is through government subsidy and regulation. Taking away subsidies will kill these things. If a state puts further restrictions on them it is of little impact.
 
If wind and solar are implemented, the only way to do it is through government subsidy and regulation. Taking away subsidies will kill these things. If a state puts further restrictions on them it is of little impact.
If taking away a FEDERAL subsidy is enough to make a program die, then so be it. If California wants to use California money to subsidize a program then the federal gov't should not be getting in the way. Or if an industry can stand on its own the federal gov't should not be actively trying to kill it. The dem's were wrong to try and kill oil/gas and the GOP will just as wrong to try and kill alt energy.
 
I think if and when a really big, true energy breakthrough happens, it will involve stripping the H2 from water (H2O) in a cheap, efficient and economical way, and burning the hydrogen.

Supposedly, in the Balkans, there exists an undeveloped 'hydrogen field', like a natural gas field, but with hydrogen. Who knows how much is there? There could be others.

There's an unlimited supply of water. You just have to distill it. (or maybe not to strip the Hydrogen).
 
I think if and when a really big, true energy breakthrough happens, it will involve stripping the H2 from water (H2O) in a cheap, efficient and economical way, and burning the hydrogen.

Supposedly, in the Balkans, there exists an undeveloped 'hydrogen field', like a natural gas field, but with hydrogen. Who knows how much is there? There could be others.

There's an unlimited supply of water. You just have to distill it. (or maybe not to strip the Hydrogen).
Here it is:

 
I think if and when a really big, true energy breakthrough happens, it will involve stripping the H2 from water (H2O) in a cheap, efficient and economical way, and burning the hydrogen.

Supposedly, in the Balkans, there exists an undeveloped 'hydrogen field', like a natural gas field, but with hydrogen. Who knows how much is there? There could be others.

There's an unlimited supply of water. You just have to distill it. (or maybe not to strip the Hydrogen).

Hydrogen energy technology (besides nuclear bombs) has been around since the 90's? Maybe earlier? I remember seeing the first article of a hydrogen run car with clean water as the by product in a tech magazine in the 90's then it just disappeared. It just makes sense to me. It can be completely stable and safe up to the point the reaction is used to make energy.

Hydrogen is completely limitless availability and cheap. Oil companies would not allow that to move forward which is why I've always said when oil runs out we'll still be just fine. All this solar and wind crap is useful for small applications, but to try to power the world is stupid.
 
Hydrogen energy technology (besides nuclear bombs) has been around since the 90's? Maybe earlier? I remember seeing the first article of a hydrogen run car with clean water as the by product in a tech magazine in the 90's then it just disappeared. It just makes sense to me. It can be completely stable and safe up to the point the reaction is used to make energy.

Hydrogen is completely limitless availability and cheap. Oil companies would not allow that to move forward which is why I've always said when oil runs out we'll still be just fine. All this solar and wind crap is useful for small applications, but to try to power the world is stupid.
I think all these massive solar and wind farms are crap, but I do think solar makes tons of sense when it is integrated into a product and space that is already a hard surface. Roofing products that integrate solar is smart. covering parking lots with solar canopies is smart, etc.

The problem with alt energy under dem's is that they want it so bad that they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But the GOP is being just as bad because their backlash is trying kill anything that had a hint of dem blue on it.

We are going to need TONS of energy in the future with all this AI we are rolling out. Especially here in Texas. We need to keep pushing forward an All-of-the-above approach.
 
Advancing improvements in energy storage and transmission efficiency will help solar become more useful and cost effective. Point being, it's not always just the power source itself, it's coming up with clever supporting infrastructure that will help the source succeed.
 
If taking away a FEDERAL subsidy is enough to make a program die, then so be it. If California wants to use California money to subsidize a program then the federal gov't should not be getting in the way. Or if an industry can stand on its own the federal gov't should not be actively trying to kill it. The dem's were wrong to try and kill oil/gas and the GOP will just as wrong to try and kill alt energy.

Of course
 
Advancing improvements in energy storage and transmission efficiency will help solar become more useful and cost effective. Point being, it's not always just the power source itself, it's coming up with clever supporting infrastructure that will help the source succeed.

Solar panels themselves aren't efficient enough over their life to compete on cost. The problems of intermittency, cost of storage, and transmission are additional daggers to it.
 
The Chicken Little-types ignore that we have enough oil that their children's children's children's unborn children will still be in a panic about the oil running out.
 
If taking away a FEDERAL subsidy is enough to make a program die, then so be it. If California wants to use California money to subsidize a program then the federal gov't should not be getting in the way. Or if an industry can stand on its own the federal gov't should not be actively trying to kill it. The dem's were wrong to try and kill oil/gas and the GOP will just as wrong to try and kill alt energy.
This idea could be expanded to include most of the federal government programs out there. The idea of the Federal Government running the show took over at some point in our history and it shouldn't have. As citizens of this nation, our dealings with government should be very little with state government but mostly at the local level. The federal government should just be there as a watch dog over the states to make sure they are playing fairly with its citizens.

The federal side should be there to protect us and deal with outside influences to get what's best for the country's interest.
 
I hope you all realize that the very reason the current POTUS is clamoring to get Greenland is due to the artic ice melting to the point that the sea lanes will substantially more navigable.

ice melting faster than expected

"They expect the Last Ice Area will be a region surrounding the Queen Elizabeth Islands north of Greenland and the Canadian Arctic Archipelago."
 
I hope you all realize that the very reason the current POTUS is clamoring to get Greenland is due to the artic ice melting to the point that the sea lanes will substantially more navigable.

ice melting faster than expected

"They expect the Last Ice Area will be a region surrounding the Queen Elizabeth Islands north of Greenland and the Canadian Arctic Archipelago."
 
It seems strange that Antarctic is gaining so much ice and they say the Artic is losing so much
Ehhh, maybe not. I mean, my hair stopped growing on the north side of my head, but many more southerly parts of my body, from my chin down, have been gaining what my head lost.

Maybe the planet is going through something similar.
 
Everything about that graph says sea ice melting is happening except the cherry-picking Steve Milloy interject.
Actually it says what rational people know...weather is cyclical, with some cold years and some warm years. However, it balances out.

The left doesn't want people to understand natural pendulums and that the Ice Age was a real thing...
 
Actually it says what rational people know...weather is cyclical, with some cold years and some warm years. However, it balances out.

The left doesn't want people to understand natural pendulums and that the Ice Age was a real thing...
Actually, it hasn't been balancing out. There is a trend line that indicates warmer. Whether that trend line is manmade or natural is debatable but there is strong evidence of the trendline and reasonable evidence of it being man-influenced. These are not irrefutable proof as many on the left would assert, but the evidence is there to at least spend time and energy to develop both deeper understanding of the trend and causes and potential mitigation or corrective measures. The GOPs approach of sticking its collective head in the sand is just as wrong as the dem's approach to running with the most hyperbolic and kneejerk reading of any studies that come out.
 
Actually, it hasn't been balancing out. There is a trend line that indicates warmer. Whether that trend line is manmade or natural is debatable but there is strong evidence of the trendline and reasonable evidence of it being man-influenced. These are not irrefutable proof as many on the left would assert, but the evidence is there to at least spend time and energy to develop both deeper understanding of the trend and causes and potential mitigation or corrective measures. The GOPs approach of sticking its collective head in the sand is just as wrong as the dem's approach to running with the most hyperbolic and kneejerk reading of any studies that come out.
You are making it too complicated. Anyone over the age of 1 understands that the sun is hot and when the sun isn't shining the earth cools. So the issue is where is the sun in its lifespan? Is it still on the ascendancy or has it started its enviable decendancy? When the last rays of the sun reach the earth, the earth will be a dead planet regardless of how many electric cars are produced.
 
So the issue is where is the sun in its lifespan?
Within it's lifespan, even while relatively young and stable, the Sun has periods of increasing and decreasing intensity. We don't understand all of these cycles yet (we do know of the 11 year sunspot cycle), and may never understand them all.

But it only takes a small perturbation in the sun's energy to affect the energy bathing the earth, and therefore temperatures, on a level far exceeding what us puny humans might cause with a minor increase in CO2 and other gasses.
 

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