'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

[Crockett]

And this is the big failure of environmentalism. It has become a tool to righteously and sanctimoniously attack bourgeois Westerners rather than a serious concern for the environment. Americans and Europeans are falling all over themselves to get rid of plastic straws and bags (that would likely be recycled anyway), while the rest of the world capriciously dumps enormous amounts of crap into the air, the land, and the oceans. They don't give two squirts of piss about it, but your self-righteous environmentalist pays virtually no attention to them at all. It's a damn farce.

So are you familiar with the concepts of "circle of influence" and "circle of concern"?

You think the pooh bear in charge of China gives a Damn about how I feel about the environmental damage being done by his country?

 

[mchammer]

So are you familiar with the concepts of "circle of influence" and "circle of concern" You think the pooh bear in charge of China gives a Damn about how I feel about the environmental damage being done by his country?

 

[mchammer]

So are you familiar with the concepts of "circle of influence" and "circle of concern" You think the pooh bear in charge of China gives a Damn about how I feel about the environmental damage being done by his country?

It’s a dishonest argument to ***** about straws here when the problem is in Asia.

 

[Crockett]

There is an environmental benefit to paper and reusable straws, so it's not dishonest. It's not a big polluter, but it's something I can impact. I have no influence on Chinese power plants.

 

[Horn6721]

Croc
Very sad to read.

 

[4th_floor]

There is an environmental benefit to paper and reusable straws, so it's not dishonest. It's not a big polluter, but it's something I can impact.....

The benefit is debatable. What damage to the environment occurs in the manufacture of paper straws? Reusable straws only work if you bring your own. Who's going to do that?

Plus it really sucks to use a paper straw. (pun intended) I hate them.

 

[4th_floor]

I have a non-smoking friend dying of lung cancer and my wife's best friend, also a nonsmoker died of the disease in 2010. Is Smoky Joe Barton to blame? I don't know and I'm not accusing, but I worry about the health impacts of air pollution.

Sorry about your friends. But I doubt a coal or nuclear power plant caused their cancer.

 

[mchammer]

Sorry about your friends. But I doubt a coal or nuclear power plant caused their cancer.

More likely pollution from a nearby highway. Most people don’t realize there is a plume of microdust emanating from the road surface due to the tires hitting the pavement. Even 100% electric cars would have this problem. Lung pollution for non-smokers has been correlated with roads and urbanization, not power plants (if I recall).

 

[Monahorns]

mchammer, that is very interesting. Real analysis usually shows causes that don't fit a popular narrative. It also usually shows some very specific cause that no one is prepared to change.

 

[Crockett]

It's been a few years, but the Dallas Observer reported lung cancer danger to cement plants around Midlothian that prospered under protection of Smoky Joe. But while we can correlate cancer stats to specific air quality issues, we can't really prove cause and effect.

 

[mchammer]

mchammer, that is very interesting. Real analysis usually shows causes that don't fit a popular narrative. It also usually shows some very specific cause that no one is prepared to change.

Or a cause where there are no deep pockets, so the lawyers are nowhere to be found.

 

[Mr. Deez]

So are you familiar with the concepts of "circle of influence" and "circle of concern"?

Of course, but we constantly hear that the environment is a global concern. That's why people outside of Sweden are willing to sit and be lectured by Greta Thunberg. What happens in China impacts everybody, and the global community can impact China. This is a country that is strong almost entirely because of global trade.

You think the pooh bear in charge of China gives a Damn about how I feel about the environmental damage being done by his country?

He certainly won't give a damn if you don't complain about him. However, if you influence your country and the UN to impose economic sanctions on him, he sure as hell will.

There is an environmental benefit to paper and reusable straws, so it's not dishonest. It's not a big polluter, but it's something I can impact. I have no influence on Chinese power plants

It's not dishonest. It's just grossly overblown. It's like telling someone they can improve their health by drinking bottled water. The effect will be nominal at best. Unless you drive that straw to the ocean and throw it in, there's almost zero chance of it ever getting into the ocean, because we generally don't dispose of garbage by throwing it into the ocean.

Banning plastic straws won't do much more than wearing a ribbon will cure AIDS or breast cancer. Calling your congressman and telling him to impose sanctions on China unless they stop dumping plastic trash into the oceans will do far more. But that's not sexy and doesn't create a virtue signalling opportunity.

 

[Monahorns]

It's been a few years, but the Dallas Observer reported lung cancer danger to cement plants around Midlothian that prospered under protection of Smoky Joe. But while we can correlate cancer stats to specific air quality issues, we can't really prove cause and effect.

Under real analysis most of these claims turn out to be complete ********. A cement plant 10 miles away doesn't emit enough of anything to effect you anymore than something 200 miles away.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

So are you familiar with the concepts of "circle of influence" and "circle of concern"?

You think the pooh bear in charge of China gives a Damn about how I feel about the environmental damage being done by his country?

Are you familiar with the concept of Pareto charts, Crockett?

 

[4th_floor]

It's been a few years, but the Dallas Observer reported lung cancer danger to cement plants around Midlothian that prospered under protection of Smoky Joe. But while we can correlate cancer stats to specific air quality issues, we can't really prove cause and effect.

I'm very familiar with this. About 25 years ago, I audited one of the Midlothian cement plants since a former employer used to send waste to the cement plant for destruction. A cement kiln is ideal for destroying many waste streams because there is very high temperature (~3000 F), oxygen, and most metals become a part of the product.
The "air quality issues" were not based on any measurement of emissions. It was based on the fact that hazardous waste was burned in the kiln. So the uneducated public, stirred up by democrat party politicians, blamed any death - 80+ year old grandma, dogs, cattle, etc. - on the kiln. One local rancher supposedly had a calf born with two or three heads - although I never saw a picture or any proof of that. He sued the cement kiln. I believe the case was dismissed because there was no case.
I believe the kiln no longer takes waste. They got tired of fighting the ******** and baseless law suits. It's a shame from an economic and environmental standpoint IMHO.

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

I'm very familiar with this. About 25 years ago, I audited one of the Midlothian cement plants since a former employer used to send waste to the cement plant for destruction. A cement kiln is ideal for destroying many waste streams because there is very high temperature (~3000 F), oxygen, and most metals become a part of the product.
The "air quality issues" were not based on any measurement of emissions. It was based on the fact that hazardous waste was burned in the kiln. So the uneducated public, stirred up by democrat party politicians, blamed any death - 80+ year old grandma, dogs, cattle, etc. - on the kiln. One local rancher supposedly had a calf born with two or three heads - although I never saw a picture or any proof of that. He sued the cement kiln. I believe the case was dismissed because there was no case.
I believe the kiln no longer takes waste. They got tired of fighting the ******** and baseless law suits. It's a shame from an economic and environmental standpoint IMHO.

Yeah, a few years ago my company switched to sending haz waste to Oklahoma to be incinerated, likely because of this (just connected the dots). Interestingly, we changed the process somewhat, did a better job at analysis, and viola the waste is no longer considered hazardous. I think we still send it to the same place for incineration but it is cheaper to do so now.

 

[humahuma]

Mc I have some listed waste if you want it. Actually it’s going for incineration.

 

[humahuma]

Mc I have some listed waste if you want it. Actually it’s going for incineration.

Inside joke with Hazardous Waste, there are No regulations which have changed since 2016. I have environmental responsibilities for the Gulf Coast for a Chemical company.

 

[mchammer]

Inside joke with Hazardous Waste, there are No regulations which have changed since 2016. I have environmental responsibilities for the Gulf Coast for a Chemical company.

I still don’t get it.

 

[Statalyzer]

Where are all the nuclear plants being built over the last 20 years? I said recently.

"Not being built" does not equal "The problem is that no investment has been made until recently to continue to improve the process for efficiency and safety."

 

[Monahorns]

True.

Also, had US investment in mind and investment in non-military, electrical power industry style reactors. I have seen some movement recently, which seems like evidence that some investment and research has been made recently, which is why I qualified my comment "until recently".

Maybe that is inaccurate but I have yet to see evidence of that so far.

 

[militaryhorn]

 

[Chop]

A couple of days ago, when it was still February, we got our first May fly of the season. That’s MAY fly—in February. Must be global warming, errr I mean climate change.

 

[LongestHorn]

It difficult to argue with that reasoning.

 

[Monahorns]

Nuclear Power: Progressives Should Reconsider Their Opposition | National Review

Thankfully, President Trump, unlike Senator Sanders, has supported the development and deployment of nuclear power. Under Trump’s leadership, the Department of Energy has begun to work with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to accelerate the deployment of advanced nuclear reactors, which will be safer and more versatile. In December of 2019, the NRC approved an early site permit for the Tennessee Valley Authority to build a small modular reactor at the Clinch River Site, in my district in Tennessee. In 2018, Congress passed and the president signed the Nuclear Energy Innovation Capabilities Act, which eliminated financial and technological barriers that stood in the way of American nuclear innovation.

This is what I was talking about earlier. There have been barriers to nuclear development that have only recently been lifted.

 

[Monahorns]

(PDF) Radiation physics constraints on global warming: CO2 increase has little effect

A technical paper on the physics of how CO2 contributes to warming on the earth.

I have just started reading it. So don't know all it says, but it is like the most detailed treatment on the subject that I have found.

 

[Joe Fan]

Quick recovery for your girl
She probably yelled and scared it away

 

[AC]

How dare you!

 

[Joe Fan]

How dare you!

How do we type that with an accent?
It's not the same without the angry accent