HBO plays Bush Tape.

RB is a punk and USC was probably looking the other way, but nothing's going to happen except, maybe, to his Heisman.

I was convinced OU was in deep **** this last time. The stuff they'd done, particularly on the heels of their most recent probation, was the same kind of stuff that the Ags were doing in the early '90s when they got hit so hard. But OU's punishment was of no substance whatsoever.

A&M should have gotten the death penalty and didn't. After SMU, nobody ever will again. It seems to me now that the NCAA is just slowly losing all its teeth and wants to protect the few it has left for smaller prey than Sooners or Trojans.

The punishments are progressively lighter. Forget the NCAA as a legitimate enforcer until things get much worse across the board.
 
This thread is getting ridiculous due to people making theory-based judgments and comparing and contrasting programs. Deal with the facts of the matter and not your discerning opinions on what should and shouldn't be monitored by the NCAA.

Fact: Billy Pittman drove a car for a period of time that was not his. Texas staff found out and suspended him for 3 games. There are no "I've heard rumors of Texas players doing the car thing too and they're all BS". The BP thing happened and the coaches disciplined him accordingly before the NCAA even got involved. That is monitoring the program!

Fact: Reggie Bush drove a Toyota Tundra for his first year. Then he started driving a black Impala with nice rims and stereo (saw the article in DUBs magazine). Not looking into this matter is failure to monitor!

Opinion: USC should be punished for at least "failure to monitor" depending an investigation. The NCAA should rule Reggie Bush ineligible for his Sophomore and Junior year thus making USC forfeit all wins he played in. The NCAA should delete any stats by Bush and Pete-Rose him from college football. He is not eligible for NCAA HOF, he is not welcomed to any college football event (buy a ticket and sit in the stands), and the NCAA should make it noted to those who obtain the rights to broadcast or use college football games that the use of Reggie Bush in promotions is prohibited. Essentially, he never existed. When this happens the DAC should strip Bush of his Heisman and award it to the runner-up. This would be the start of a great penalty.
 
I know this is late in the discussion; but could RB be this cheap/stupid..The guy said that if the money had been paid back, then none of this would be out. Really, w/ all the money reggie has he wouldn't wanna keep this quiet. How stupid/cheap can you be..especially after you gave the man your word!
 
He thought no one would believe an ex-Con.

The problem is the Ex-Con taped his father telling him he would pay the guy back. The tapes were recorded in December before the Rose Bowl!

Also to all people wondering why the NCAA is taking so much time:

This is normal for when a school doesn't report the incident. USC's Coach Floyd immediately reported the Mayo incident and said it was his (Floyd's) fault.

That is a big difference compared to USC denying it ever happened.
 
Zona - your point, as I understand it, is that the guy that cheats should be punished and noone else. The problem is this, why not just cheat? If there is no penalty for the school, why not?

The rule is what it is because there would essentially be no penalty for cheating if it was any other way.

As for those who broke the law, felonies carry their own penalty that gets handed down by the court. Mack gave Kindle and Melton 3 game suspensions for DWI, and that was at least 2 games more than most coaches would have. In reality, the suspending of players for these kind of infractions is more PR than anything, but the punishment is real to the player. As for the others involved in the robbery, they will not see the field at UT.

None of those players threatened the integrity of college football. The NCAA is in charge of protecting that. That's why schools get punished for the actions of individuals. That's why all the schools have people checking up on the players. You act like Mack has to run around the parking lot inspecting the players cars personally, but I'll bet there is someone reviewing the bill of sale and title for what those kids are driving.
 
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you know.. it doesn't take a private investigator to figure things out when your star player is posing on the cover of magazines with his car... and note that he is wearing Steelers gear, which leads me to believe this was taken before he was drafted by the Saints, but obviously DUB didn't run it until after the draft...
 
Zona, your argument is piss poor at best. It seems like you take the philosophy that unless there is visual evidence of PC knowing, then he is not at fault. One might say the same thing about OJ Simpson. Nevermind they found drops of nicoles blood in his bronco, a match glove from the crime scene behind his guest house, and a slash on his hand.....UNLESS someone actually seen OJ at the scene with the knife in one hand and holding down his ex and a young man visiting her as he killed them, then he must be innocent. "IF IT DOESN'T FIT, YOU MUST..." nevermind, I think you get the point.

As far as you complaining that the rules are not right when it comes to felons vs free pizza violations and the punishment... that is your opinion. My opinion is you should not worry about the UT and all other fans that want the NCAA to do the right thing with regards to USC. If you don't like the rules then that is okay, but don't bash anyone that want the rules that are set to be followed.

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Why are there no sanctions against scumbag cheating coaches when they move to another school and leave their former program holding the entire bag.

FedEx Sherrill comes to mind, as does Dennis Ericson.
 
I don't get how some people will make it a point to post about a topic they say they have no interest in...especially on page 9 and cite 2 posters who have received resentment...yeah, keep on not caring either way about the Reggie Bush story. I could give two flips about Swap Meet but I don't go on there telling people how much I don't care.

To me, this is bigger than steroids in baseball because steroids is rampant and was overlooked by MLB for so long. This is an incident involving a Heisman winner that took hundreds of thousands of dollars. It also involves a National Title. History will be made depending on what the NCAA does. Precedent will be set. It has nothing to do with playing USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl, it has everything to do on what will happen from here on out depending the conclusion of this investigation. Cheating could be worth it if the NCAA forfeits wins but not the Championships (which I think could happen) and players would much rather pull $500K than have a trophy.
 
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"It's ultimately the institution's responsibility to make sure they [a student-athlete and family] are following our bylaws," NCAA spokesperson Jennifer Kearns said.

Second, how realistic is that? Unlike the athletes themselves, who are pummeled about the ears with information about what they can and cannot do according to NCAA rules, parent education is not formalized. People who consider the NCAA manual a hurdle to leap over have figured that out.

"It's been pretty well determined that when you get people trying to get to the kid, they will try to get to the parents or the people around him," Pac-10 spokesman Jim Muldoon said.

The NCAA doesn't consider ignorance of its rule to be a sufficient defense, and, anyway, ignorance isn't an issue in this case. A source at USC told ESPN.com that in the last year, the athletic department went over the compliance "dos and don'ts" with Bush's mother, Denise Griffin, and his stepfather, LaMar Griffin. Bush's parents were a noticeable presence around the football team. LaMar Griffin could usually be found in the Trojan postgame locker room.

But the source also said that USC has no formal educational process set up for all parents, "though that may change now."

So the school maintains that the Griffins knew. But most parents don't. Kearns said there is enough discussion in the media of what constitutes amateurism and what doesn't that most parents should understand the basics. That is wishful thinking at best. Under that logic, there would be no need to go over -- and over and over -- the rules with the athletes themselves.

Kearns also said the NCAA has an office open daily which takes calls from the public regarding rules interpretations. Parents are welcome and encouraged to call.

"People don't really look at the NCAA as an educational resource, but we do that," Kearns said.
 
HBO had an update stating that the NCAA referred to the incident as "ground breaking," and that their decision had to be equal to the crime comitted.

So they're basically saying that Bush was paid more than anyone in NCAA's past infringements. He received around $291K not counting the $750K house his parents lived in.

Lake has testified to the NCAA. The NCAA has documents to back up much of the ammount.

So we may see the harshest punishment since the Death Penalty. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the championship and around 20 to 30 scholarships.
 
The irony behind this is that the biggest benifit to this goes to UCLA with their new coach, Neuheisal. That man knows his way around NCAA interviews yet will gain by USC getting any sig. scholarship reductions or tv restrictions, things of that nature.
 
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