Have you been Vaccinated?

Have you been Vaccinated?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 61.3%

  • No

    Votes: 11 35.5%

  • Partial

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • Total voters
    31
BevoJoe said:
That's good to hear Worster. I take a an assortment of vitamins daily myself and have a lot of energy. According to my Doctor, being in good health and staying in good shape was a reason I didn't get as sick as some when I had Covid in early February of 2020.
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Gee, imagine that. But, we are being getting pushed to get jabbed to save people who do nothing for themselves.

Cue the "I know a healthy 30 something who got real sick" comments. So what? I get reactions from breathing in certain allergens while others don't. I don't get sick from allergies that bother others. Who can really explain the human body and how it reacts to things?
 
BevoJoe said:
It baffles science!
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Even the machines I fly that are built to rigid standards still react to things differently and have parts that break way before they do on other airplanes. But I love how people make the statements of covid affecting one person a certain way so that's what we should all expect.

Still haven't gotten a good answer on why getting vaccinated helps others and saves mismanaged hospitals.

But, the gubment has managed everything else so well, let's keep trying their ideas.

Asinine.
 
I find it interesting that the vaccination % shown in the survey (62% with at least one dose) matches fairly closely with the Texas average of 67% of eligible folks.
 
horninchicago said:
Even the machines I fly that are built to rigid standards still react to things differently and have parts that break way before they do on other airplanes. But I love how people make the statements of covid affecting one person a certain way so that's what we should all expect.

Still haven't gotten a good answer on why getting vaccinated helps others and saves mismanaged hospitals.

But, the gubment has managed everything else so well, let's keep trying their ideas.

Asinine.
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I don't know what the answer is as far as why one person contracts an illness and is back to normal in a couple of days while another person of similar health, weakens and dies. Immunocompromised folks seem to be the most at risk. But, whether or not a person gets vaccinated or not, it is none of my business. If they do, that's fine, if they don't, that's fine too. I don't expect an explanation as to why they did get the vaccine or why they won't. All public places here in Tucson require a mask. We've had a real spike in AZ of cases recently. Very few ICU beds are available, and Monday, I saw the morgue trucks coming back in town, heading toward the hospital which is not far from our home.

As far as the federal government is concerned, I very low opinion of them, regardless of party. I read information researchers release about the virus, but little current, definitive information is available. Before I became a CPA and Attorney, I studied biochemistry and zoology at Texas. In labs, we were amazed at how fast the viruses could mutate, and the cells that could not be infected the first time, were easily compromised a week or two later. Since then I have always tried to keep my immune system in good shape. Does that mean I won't contract the new D1 strain and die? No. Anything is probable, but I can only try to keep that probability as low as I can. What other people do, is none of my concern. They don't live with me.
 
BevoJoe said:
I don't know what the answer is as far as why one person contracts an illness and is back to normal in a couple of days while another person of similar health, weakens and dies. Immunocompromised folks seem to be the most at risk. But, whether or not a person gets vaccinated or not, it is none of my business. If they do, that's fine, if they don't, that's fine too. I don't expect an explanation as to why they did get the vaccine or why they won't. All public places here in Tucson require a mask. We've had a real spike in AZ of cases recently. Very few ICU beds are available, and Monday, I saw the morgue trucks coming back in town, heading toward the hospital which is not far from our home.

As far as the federal government is concerned, I very low opinion of them, regardless of party. I read information researchers release about the virus, but little current, definitive information is available. Before I became a CPA and Attorney, I studied biochemistry and zoology at Texas. In labs, we were amazed at how fast the viruses could mutate, and the cells that could not be infected the first time, were easily compromised a week or two later. Since then I have always tried to keep my immune system in good shape. Does that mean I won't contract the new D1 strain and die? No. Anything is probable, but I can only try to keep that probability as low as I can. What other people do, is none of my concern. They don't live with me.
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I can appreciate your explanation.

I'm just wondering what the breakdown was for people with the same regards as different widely-available vaccines rolled out in the 20th century. I think political polarization was WAY down the list of reasons why not to get any of those.
 
Horns11 said:
I can appreciate your explanation.

I'm just wondering what the breakdown was for people with the same regards as different widely-available vaccines rolled out in the 20th century. I think political polarization was WAY down the list of reasons why not to get any of those.
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I don't know the answer to your question, Horn 11. I hear all sorts of reasons for this or that being offered, but none of them make any sense. Sometimes it seems we have gone back to the 1300's when the Black Death ravaged Europe, with the only differences being rampant superstition, and medical practices were less than scientific.
 
bystander said:
First of all, you have my sincere best wishes for your health and that of your family. We're all in this together man.

The entire Covid vaccine mess has become incredibly politicized. Liberals want government power to intervene while Conservatives are the opposite.

So let's think Constitutionally. What is the role of the government? The general welfare of the people seems to be a very controversial section of the Constitution. Was it merely a way of describing the government role (a preamble that had no legal standing) or a did it delineate powers away from the states to the federal government however artful the definition of the general welfare of the people may be?

I think that in the case that our hospitals are filled to capacity by a pandemic, it is imperative for someone to step up and say we have a problem and here's a solution. As our front line workers and health compromised citizens are at risk, how can we protect them? Based upon many conversations I've had with doctors over the years including at MD Anderson, it is clear they believe the American public absolutely will not do what is good for them. Part of their advice and treatment is greatly impacted by managing our emotional baggage. And if it is true that COVID is putting other patients (non-covid) at risk due to the strain on our resources, then what are we to do?

Well, to play the percentages is a cold way of making decisions. It takes a lot of guts and there's much at risk. To mandate safety has no real downside (mask and social distancing) other than inconvenience.

But to mandate a shot is where it gets controversial to me. It requires a great deal of trust.

So let's break out Occam's Razor. If it's all a conspiracy what would it require?

It would require virtually the entire medical industry to be in on the secret.

I don't believe they are. I believe it would be too complicated. So we simplify by using common sense.

COVID is deadly. It's not the flu. The medical community is terrified of it. All cancer patients receiving treatment are terrified of it.

Of course, one could say, sucks to be you. Just stay home then. But you can't say that to our doctors and nurses. And the supreme irony is that Conservative speak of personal responsibility as if it was etched on the Holy Grail. Well, then... if you are loudly and aggressively against the vaccine, then what happens if you get it?

I'd say you should be left in the parking lot and forced to read everything you ever said against Liberals and personal responsibility.
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Bystander,
Thank you for the well wishes. I live in Houston and if you ever need anything at all DM me and if I am in town I will help you, even if you need a place to rest before yo go back to Austin. If you want my contact info DM me. I have had cancer 5 times so I might have some understanding of what you may be going through. Been cancer free 11 years. Like you said, we're all in this together.
 
BevoJoe said:
Just got this article about Dallas Hospitals and who will get beds for folks with Covid. Depends on vaccination status.

LINK:
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get ICU Beds At Dallas-Area Hospitals If Covid Spread Worsens
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Per the DMN this morning, they're walking this back.

Many leaders of the medical field have lost my respect, as well as my faith in their ability to do their jobs and to serve the public. They've deserved this. They've earned the lack of faith.

I just returned home from a small medical facility following a routine, yet necessary procedure (for older folks). I have a TON of respect for the people that put their hearts and souls into their work. True professionals i saw today. Sad to say I can't say the same for their upward chain. Time to end your games and political posturing.
 
Horn2RunAgain said:
Per the DMN this morning, they're walking this back.
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GOOD!! That was the most jaw dropping, heinous thing I've read. I don't know what's going on with Hospital Administration these days. Seems like they want to monetize everything. I'm surprised they haven't figured out how to charge patients for sitting in a chair while in the waiting room.
 
horninchicago said:
But if the vaccine is so great why would vaccinated people need an ICU bed?

Sounds like more quacks who are clueless.
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The Doc I spoke with before I went to get vaccinated told me I could still get the virus, but that the symptoms would not be as bad and I would not die. So, as this virus mutates, it can still make a vaccinated person sick, and then their ability to recover most likely will depend on other factors such as the strength of their immune system, the state of their health and so on. Your Doc could probably explain it better and in more detail.
 
So if vaccinated people get less sick, I am back to wanting to know how it is that unvaccinated are overrunning ICUs. And who cares? It’s a chance I’m willing to take since I’m not worried about this virus.
 
horninchicago said:
So if vaccinated people get less sick, I am back to wanting to know how it is that unvaccinated are overrunning ICUs. And who cares? It’s a chance I’m willing to take since I’m not worried about this virus.
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1. Unvaccinated patients are NOT filling up hospitals and ICU's. Regardless of the % of positive break through cases there may be, 95% of covid patients getting O2 are unvaccinated.
2. Remember too that the first people vaccinated were the elderly and nursing home patients. Their antibodies are waning a little. IF you get a vaccinated patient in the ICU I'd wager they're compromised to some extent.
 
OUBubba said:
1. Unvaccinated patients are NOT filling up hospitals and ICU's. Regardless of the % of positive break through cases there may be, 95% of covid patients getting O2 are unvaccinated.
2. Remember too that the first people vaccinated were the elderly and nursing home patients. Their antibodies are waning a little. IF you get a vaccinated patient in the ICU I'd wager they're compromised to some extent.
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So, again, broken record here, let hospitals manage ICUs for those willing to take the chance. And frankly I don’t believe the numbers. Sorry. They haven’t been accurate all along.
 
Bubba, I am debating with you, but I think, while you are passionate about vaccines, you actually said you aren’t in favor of mandates, correct?
 
horninchicago said:
So, again, broken record here, let hospitals manage ICUs for those willing to take the chance. And frankly I don’t believe the numbers. Sorry. They haven’t been accurate all along.
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You trust data that validates your beliefs. I gave you "excess deaths" which is deaths of ALL MOTHER SCRATCHING CAUSES above the expected and you went on multiple rants about deaths being mislabeled.

I know that the people who I work with know hands on about patients sitting in ER's on vents waiting for an ICU bed. We had a patient in our hospital needing tertiary care and Albequerque was the closest outlet. We discussed things like "how will these hospitalizations be billed?", "these patients don't show up in the ICU bed #'s", "why is Oklahoma delaying testing for variant type", etc. But, this doesn't fit your pre-conceived beliefs about health care so you call it fake. Typical Trump man.
 
Didn’t know there was a threshold number of deaths that keeps the number from being excessive.

That’s a shame. I thought I had read you don’t care what people do. I thought you were reasonable but I guess not since you want to force a drug into my body.

Wow.
 
Done arguing, Bubs. You’re wrong, flat out. It’s insane, your ideas on this.

Good luck to you and your overrun, mismanaged, apparently, hospital.

I’ll still buy you a drink next week if you’re going.
 
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