Happy Columbus Day!!!

[guy4321]

Of course. "Whitey made that up just the like Holocaust" is the liberal answer.

 

[mchammer]

 

[Mr. Deez]

Yep. It's so simplistic. Even using the term "Native Americans" or "indigenous people" is pretty ridiculous. Which ones? There were countless tribes over the millenia, and they were constantly conquering and reconquering various parts of the Americas. Basically like the whole rest of the world.

 

[Horn6721]

Exactly MrD
Just like apparently people in USA are the Only ones who ever owned slaves.

 

[guy4321]

I disagree that it's who owned it second to last. It is more who last owned it that was NOT white.

 

[Monahorns]

The first recorded slave owner in the American colonies was black.

 

[mchammer]

 

[guy4321]

bump

 

[mchammer]

 

[Chop]

More powerful nations and peoples conquering less powerful nations and peoples is the history of the World.

The real things to ponder on how to make things better are:

1. How to more humanely, and fairly, treat the people you have conquered. (they lost, so you now own the land and make the rules, but you don't have to genocide them or make them slaves for instance...)
2. How do you provide paths for the conquered people to integrate and assimilate into the conquerors' nation and culture. This ultimately makes the conquerors more numerous and stronger.

The Roman Empire was brutal and did a lot of bad things, but they seemed to be pretty good at the above. The British were also pretty so-so at this for the most part. The British armies in the early 20th Century were very heavily populated with colonial soldiers. And some of their elite ground units were from various places in India.

 

[Horn6721]

Now that it is reported Columbus was Jewish there could be a new wave of Columbus haters . Not sure if there are any statues to tear down.

 

[Chop]

By the way, the learned (informed) classes knew the World was spherical long before Columbus.

 

[Chop]

Doesn't surprise me. Pre-contact Polynesians could be exceptionally violent. Those are some physically strong to very-strong people, but firearms and artillery ruled the day in warfare.

King Kamehameha I was the first to ever unite (conquer) all the Hawaiian Islands and create a Kingdom of all the Hawaiian Islands. How did he do it? In large part with British guns, cannons, and military advisors (shipwrecked and other British sailors). Lines of well-drilled muskets and cannons in the King's army against mostly a bunch of really strong dudes with clubs and spears. That, and the old Game of Thrones-like trick of inviting a rival King over for a banquet, then pouncing on him and his military leaders/Alii and killing them.

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Yep. It's so simplistic. Even using the term "Native Americans" or "indigenous people" is pretty ridiculous. Which ones? There were countless tribes over the millenia, and they were constantly conquering and reconquering various parts of the Americas. Basically like the whole rest of the world.

My favorite is when they use "first peoples". Really ???

 

[guy4321]

Now that it is reported Columbus was Jewish there could be a new wave of Columbus haters . Not sure if there are any statues to tear down.

But there are cities to rename. How does Muhammad, OH sound?

 

[Chop]

But there are cities to rename. How does Muhammad, OH sound?

That won't last long. The wokies will soon enough discover what Mohammed thought about Black people.

 

[guy4321]

That won't last long. The wokies will soon enough discover what Mohammed thought about Black people.

I think Black people, OH is already taken.

 

[ViperHorn]

A couple of decades or more Australia became indigenous people friendly. A number of cities in the country have two names - an English name and an IP name.

 

[nashhorn]

The wokies will soon enough discover what Mohammed thought about Black people.

Can’t imagine that happening if hasn’t by now.

 

[Horn6721]

I bet Blacks in muslim heavy areas like Minn and parts of Mich Do know but in the rest of the country it will take longer

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

I think Black people, OH is already taken.

I think it translates to Cleveland.

 

[mchammer]

 

[Horn6721]

From an historical standpoint America's segment of slavery was fewer and short.
Always wondered why Blacks living here don't demand reparations from the people in Africa who sold their relatives to slave ships.

 

[Monahorns]

From an historical standpoint America's segment of slavery was fewer and short.
Always wondered why Blacks living here don't demand reparations from the people in Africa who sold their relatives to slave ships.

Yep. Why aren't people pissed at the Caribbean countries and Brazil? Brazil was like 80% of the slave trade.

 

[guy4321]

From an historical standpoint America's segment of slavery was fewer and short.
Always wondered why Blacks living here don't demand reparations from the people in Africa who sold their relatives to slave ships.

Because they all know the African countries have much less money to go after than America does.

 

[Horn6721]

Oh No guy
so You are saying it isn't the righteous of the wrong these people were done by their OWN people to send them into slavery All over the western world with a small portion for a limited time sent to America??
Well I am Shocked as you can imagine.