Monahorns
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Same now in essence. But now they use central banks to steal from us and manipulate elections to keep themselves in power.
Happy Columbus Day!!!
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Same now in essence. But now they use central banks to steal from us and manipulate elections to keep themselves in power.
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Duck Dodgers
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Hard to use what you don't have.
If you're interested in why the Euro's sailed to American and conquered them, instead of vice versa, there's a great book called Germs Guns and Steel, which goes into detail as to why the Euro's had such a technological advantage over the Indians. One contributing factor was the total lack of domesticatible animals in the western hemisphere, save for the llama in South America, and hard to ride into battle on one of those.
While the Euros had chickens and geese for food, horses for riding and transportation, cows for food and plowing, hogs for food, and others, that allowed for a stable food system to be developed, and division of labor. As well as the transport and building capabilities using horses and cattle to drag things around.
They just never tried to domesticate buffalo.
Duck Dodgers
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They may have tried, with the effort to domesticate them reserved for those in the tribe they needed to get rid of.
Definitely an interesting topic. Thanks for the book name. Specific to horses, I just assumed they had been in the Americas well, forever like the buffalo.
The book referred to is an interesting read, as is 1491, about the state of affairs here before Columbus showed up.. Both will reward the reader for the time spent on them.
A fellow who taught at UT for years wrote two books worth reading that are somewhat related. His name was Alfred Crosby and he taught history and American Studies. His two tomes are The Columbian Exchange and Ecological Imperialism.
Don't be scared off by the second title. It is about the ecological changes wrought by the introduction of alien plants and animals into various world ecologies. For example, the Spaniards brought horses and cattle to Texas. Made a difference in the ecological world.
The Columbian Exchange discusses little changes, like tomatoes in Italy and potatoes in Ireland. Both of these books rattled the history profession and basically created a new way of looking at the spread of European influence. I did undergrad and grad studies in history at UT and reading these two books years later shook me in my way of thinking that nothing else did except the study of geology
A fellow who taught at UT for years wrote two books worth reading that are somewhat related. His name was Alfred Crosby and he taught history and American Studies. His two tomes are The Columbian Exchange and Ecological Imperialism.
Don't be scared off by the second title. It is about the ecological changes wrought by the introduction of alien plants and animals into various world ecologies. For example, the Spaniards brought horses and cattle to Texas. Made a difference in the ecological world.
The Columbian Exchange discusses little changes, like tomatoes in Italy and potatoes in Ireland. Both of these books rattled the history profession and basically created a new way of looking at the spread of European influence. I did undergrad and grad studies in history at UT and reading these two books years later shook me in my way of thinking that nothing else did except the study of geology
1491 is a great eye opening read. Enjoyed it. Listening to “Political history of the United States” in a series of podcasts on Spotify - interesting even though author a bit fond of himself. He has some good points on the early colonists but I should confess I only catch about 60-65% of it because I mainly listen when doing chores or working out at gym.
Getting serious for a minute. If people don't like Columbus, that's fine, but I don't understand the love for an Indigenous People Day. Columbus is hated for personally and generally starting European fighting and taking over of the natives. But, that's exactly what the indigenous people did minus the European part. The Aztec, Maya, Inca, and Chimú all have modern day documented mass graves. The Cherokee enslaves blacks and worked with the American Confederacy to fight the Union. How the **** can you celebrate that or ignore that for the good parts of the indigenous folks while claiming Columbus was all bad? Yes, I know white skin...
Because they were the victims of disease and a more powerful opponent and that is what counts nowadays.
"more powerful opponent" - doesn't that mean Cherokee are bad?
You have to look at the real motivations. Columbus isn't hated because he began the colonization or conquest of the Americas. The left routinely has no problem with conquerors. He's hated, because what he did represented a major expansion of Western and Christian influence.
It's a little like the Nazis. Most of us don't like Nazis because they waged a nasty war and were hardcore antisemites. But the left is ok with wars of conquest and routinely celebrates antisemites. They hate the Nazis because they were anticommunist and invaded the biggest communist country.
It's a little like the Nazis. Most of us don't like Nazis because they waged a nasty war and were hardcore antisemites. But the left is ok with wars of conquest and routinely celebrates antisemites. They hate the Nazis because they were anticommunist and invaded the biggest communist country.
Fair explanation. Another funny thing is how bizarre to have Hispanic Heritage Month run September 15 to October 15 and then stick Indigenous Peoples Day in the middle. Hispanic Heritage Month did come first, and Columbus Day, which means Indigenous Peoples Day, can only be a date between October 8th and October 15th, inclusive. If we are going by how many indigenous people were killed by Europeans, aren't Spaniards (i.e the origins of Hispanics) way ahead of all other Europeans? How can you celebrate those two together? Hispanic Heritage Month and Indigenous Peoples Day are diametrically opposed to one another! At least Hispanic Heritage Month and Columbus Day make sense together.
Yes, I know the start date of Hispanic Heritage Month was selected as September 16th is Mexican Independence Day (and other Latin America countries), and Indigenous Peoples Day is to combat Columbus Day.
I love how they just throw in there the 'and likes Christopher Columbus'. Ah no wonder you shouldn't be allowed to care for your own child!
You're right. Logic and standards never into the equation. If you can come up with a reason to bash Whitey, then you bash Whitey. It's really that simple.
And bizarrely, the main African doing that, King Ghezo of Dahomey, is portrayed as a good guy in the recent film named "The Woman King."
Duck Dodgers
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The French ended up taking care of Dahomey, with about 500 troops wiping out their whole military, as rifles beat spears by a considerable amount.
That movie was laughable - they tried to say the worst slave trading nation in west Africa was against the trade. It was as if someone made a movie about the US Civil War where the Confederacy went to war to stop slavery, with J Davis being the abolitionist hero of it all.
That movie was laughable - they tried to say the worst slave trading nation in west Africa was against the trade. It was as if someone made a movie about the US Civil War where the Confederacy went to war to stop slavery, with J Davis being the abolitionist hero of it all.
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