Germany's Refugee Crises
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That's what's getting lost in this. France's economy is a mess, and Macron was unquestionably the economic conservative in the race. Every poll I've seen suggests that French voters were concerned with the economy more that anything else. He was in the Socialist Party but left because of their views on economic policy. Yes, he is a globalist and pro-EU. However, he definitely leans Right on the economy and budget, and he's pro-US and pro-NATO. Yes, I would prefer a moderate nationalist (like Fillon), but he had corruption problems. By French standards, he's pretty good and a colossal improvement over the incumbent.
Le Pen is basically a socialist who doesn't like Muslims like her dad was socialist who didn't like Jews. Furthermore, she is mostly hostile to the US and NATO. Stephen Colbert called Trump Putin's "cock holster." That characterization may not be fair, but it would be entirely fair to direct it toward Le Pen.
Twenty years ago, conservatives in the US would be hailing this as a victory for the Right rather than as a catastrophe.
Brad Austin
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Call me crazy but I'd endure several years of a poor economy and cozing up to Putin over flooding Texas with a diametrically opposed, violent culture with no desire to assimilate and accepting terrorist attacks as the new norm.
France (249k sq miles) is a little smaller than Texas (269k sq miles). What would happen to Texas if we allowed 100's of thousands of Syrian refugees to annually flood our cities?
How acceptable would it be for gang rapes, acid attacks, mass shootings, and bombs going off around us in our Texas cities?
When these things happen in NYC, San Bernadino, Orlando, etc. we are all somewhat detached and life moves on quickly.
But when terror attacks become the norm in France, to Texans that would be like these atrocities becoming part of daily life in Austin, Dallas, Houston, etc.
Imagine if a candidate for Gov told us terror attacks are just a part of our daily lives in Texas now so we must accept it as part of being good Samaritans.
Missteps in economics and military alliances can be corrected, history has proven this repeatedly around the globe.
Once allowing in droves of people who want your demise, there is no reversal without violent conflict and forced removal. Welfare and high reproduction will guarantee that.
Aside from abandoning security, welfare plus open borders is a suicidal economic plan.
France (249k sq miles) is a little smaller than Texas (269k sq miles). What would happen to Texas if we allowed 100's of thousands of Syrian refugees to annually flood our cities?
How acceptable would it be for gang rapes, acid attacks, mass shootings, and bombs going off around us in our Texas cities?
When these things happen in NYC, San Bernadino, Orlando, etc. we are all somewhat detached and life moves on quickly.
But when terror attacks become the norm in France, to Texans that would be like these atrocities becoming part of daily life in Austin, Dallas, Houston, etc.
Imagine if a candidate for Gov told us terror attacks are just a part of our daily lives in Texas now so we must accept it as part of being good Samaritans.
Missteps in economics and military alliances can be corrected, history has proven this repeatedly around the globe.
Once allowing in droves of people who want your demise, there is no reversal without violent conflict and forced removal. Welfare and high reproduction will guarantee that.
Aside from abandoning security, welfare plus open borders is a suicidal economic plan.
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Most people in France don't see the threat that you see. They haven't been victims of terror attacks themselves, and they don't know anybody who has been. Furthermore, for every Muslim they see on TV causing trouble, they know dozens or hundreds who are decent people. I'm not saying they don't recognize the cultural assimilation problems. I think they do, but they don't think the problem trumps everything else in life like you do.
However, they do see and feel the high taxes, high unemployment, poor growth, and they've seen and felt those things for years. That's why the economy motivates them more than anything.
Brad Austin
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You certainly have a much better insight on this. From afar it's just a damn shame they had to make such a conflicting, either/or choice.
One would think every human being would greatly value both aspects required to satisfy Maslow's basic human needs.
Their choice wasn't good. People liken this to Trump v. Clinton, but there were some big differences. At least in many respects, Trump did run as an economic conservative - tax relief, cutting regulations, etc. Le Pen really didn't. Furthermore, as hostile as Trump was on NATO, he didn't promise to leave. Le Pen did. That's why Fillon (who was the best choice) ended up backing Macron. He was probably closer to Le Pen on immigration, but her economics and foreign policy were too hard to swallow.
Brad Austin
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Seems there's an odd parallel between the U.S. and French elections that connect Macron and Trump. Both elected the devil they don't know over the devil they do.
Of course in France the MSM sheltered Macron and waged war on his behalf. While our MSM carried out no-holds-barred nuclear war against DT.
The two 'devil you know' choices are what they are. Le Pen is brutally honest and deliberate. HRC has been pathologically dishonest and corrupt for decades.
The two 'devil you don't know' choices are wildcards as neither previously held an elected political position and both switched platforms over the years.
Macron seems to be a puppet to globalist masters and will bow to current and future EU demands. Hard to trust his campaign promises besides declaring full support of the EU.
Trump is Trump...nobody knows what the hell he'll do on any given day.
Of course in France the MSM sheltered Macron and waged war on his behalf. While our MSM carried out no-holds-barred nuclear war against DT.
The two 'devil you know' choices are what they are. Le Pen is brutally honest and deliberate. HRC has been pathologically dishonest and corrupt for decades.
The two 'devil you don't know' choices are wildcards as neither previously held an elected political position and both switched platforms over the years.
Macron seems to be a puppet to globalist masters and will bow to current and future EU demands. Hard to trust his campaign promises besides declaring full support of the EU.
Trump is Trump...nobody knows what the hell he'll do on any given day.
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Call me crazy but I'd endure several years of a poor economy and cozing up to Putin over flooding Texas with a diametrically opposed, violent culture with no desire to assimilate and accepting terrorist attacks as the new norm.
France (249k sq miles) is a little smaller than Texas (269k sq miles). What would happen to Texas if we allowed 100's of thousands of Syrian refugees to annually flood our cities?
How acceptable would it be for gang rapes, acid attacks, mass shootings, and bombs going off around us in our Texas cities?
When these things happen in NYC, San Bernadino, Orlando, etc. we are all somewhat detached and life moves on quickly.
But when terror attacks become the norm in France, to Texans that would be like these atrocities becoming part of daily life in Austin, Dallas, Houston, etc.
Imagine if a candidate for Gov told us terror attacks are just a part of our daily lives in Texas now so we must accept it as part of being good Samaritans.
Missteps in economics and military alliances can be corrected, history has proven this repeatedly around the globe.
Once allowing in droves of people who want your demise, there is no reversal without violent conflict and forced removal. Welfare and high reproduction will guarantee that.
Aside from abandoning security, welfare plus open borders is a suicidal economic plan.
If I was allowed to "like" this a thousand times I would.
You may be the only person in the world who has likened Trump to Macron, but you actually have a good point. People didn't necessarily think Macron was a great choice, but they did know who the bad choice was.
Seattle Husker
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Seattle Husker
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Macron and Trump were outsiders. Similarities end there. Macron actually had discernible policies. Trump simply rode the populism wave.
I wouldn't even call Macron an outsider. He has been Minister of Economics. The main similarity is that they both had opponents that most people detested.
This just shows how messed up the EU really is. Their guy just got elected president of France, and they're already telling him to drop his EU reforms and prepare to be their *****. With French parliament elections coming up, reinforcing everything people think sucks about the EU seems pretty dumb. This might be the most arrogant political institution in the Western world.
I am starting to wonder if Macron might turn on these guys at some point. He's a believer in the European project and European integration, but he has preached reform of European institutions. Has he been pro-EU out of self-serving opportunism or out of a sincere naivete and belief in the cause? If the latter is the case, then it wouldn't surprise me if he one day shifts course a bit. He's not going to become Marine Le Pen or call for leaving the EU, but I could see him clashing with the EU leadership and approaching the institution with far greater skepticism.
I am starting to wonder if Macron might turn on these guys at some point. He's a believer in the European project and European integration, but he has preached reform of European institutions. Has he been pro-EU out of self-serving opportunism or out of a sincere naivete and belief in the cause? If the latter is the case, then it wouldn't surprise me if he one day shifts course a bit. He's not going to become Marine Le Pen or call for leaving the EU, but I could see him clashing with the EU leadership and approaching the institution with far greater skepticism.
Seattle Husker
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Merkel is the key leader. As long as he has her support she'll be able to quell the EU parliament.
So you can say hateful things in Germany so long as it's directed at someone from the Alternative for Deutschland party. Link. If you insult the leader of Turkey or criticize Merkel's "migrant" policy on Facebook, watch out. And to be clear, it's the double standard that bugs me, not that she lost. I think her lawsuit is dumb.
If you don't know, Alice Weidel is AfD's candidate for Chancellor. She is an open lesbian. How much favorable press do you think she gets for having the potential to "make history?" About as much as Sara Palin got back in 2008. Of course, if Martin Schulz was gay, that's all we'd ever hear about, and it would be overwhelmingly positive.
If you don't know, Alice Weidel is AfD's candidate for Chancellor. She is an open lesbian. How much favorable press do you think she gets for having the potential to "make history?" About as much as Sara Palin got back in 2008. Of course, if Martin Schulz was gay, that's all we'd ever hear about, and it would be overwhelmingly positive.
Statalyzer
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White Europeans punishing women for being rape or attempted rape victims? Islamic Extremists don't need to invade Europe. They just have to sit back and watch as Europe voluntarily transforms itself into a secular copy of Extremist Islam.
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Clean
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It's illegal to possess even pepper spray for self-defense in Denmark? What's she suppose to use, harsh language? I doubt the attacker would understand her language anyway.
Europeans used to say "better Red than dead" during the Cold War. There was a lot of doubt that in the event of a Soviet invasion, the Europeans would resist much. Now it's like they want to be subsumed by a tidal wave of migrants. A race of people unwilling to fight for their existence will soon be consigned to the dust bowl of history.
Europeans used to say "better Red than dead" during the Cold War. There was a lot of doubt that in the event of a Soviet invasion, the Europeans would resist much. Now it's like they want to be subsumed by a tidal wave of migrants. A race of people unwilling to fight for their existence will soon be consigned to the dust bowl of history.
Joe Fan
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71% of Poland wants to ban Muslim immigration
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-08/71-people-poland-want-ban-muslim-immigration
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-08/71-people-poland-want-ban-muslim-immigration
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