Germany's Refugee Crises

Htown77 said:
Or revert back to the original spend social security system (not pay as you go) aka spending on/saving the money for what it was meant for and cut things like defense, waste (see defense) and other parts of the federal government to fund social security/medicare shortfalls until they are stabilized.
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You do know Germany doesn't spend diddly dick on defense, right?
 
France suffered a higher exodus of wealthy residents last year compared to any other country in the world, according to new figures.

A report produced by the 2017 Global Wealth Review suggests France lost 12,000 residents with wealth of at least $1 million – 2,000 more than in 2015.

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French presidential candidate Francois Fillon says he’s received a summons from judicial magistrates on March 15 to face charges. Fillon has been probed over payments made to his wife. He denies all allegations against him.

“This is unprecedented,” Fillon said in a speech, adding that legal procedure hasn’t been followed.

"Many of my political allies, and the 4 million people who voted for me call this a 'political assassination'

 
Joe Fan said:
France suffered a higher exodus of wealthy residents last year compared to any other country in the world, according to new figures.

A report produced by the 2017 Global Wealth Review suggests France lost 12,000 residents with wealth of at least $1 million – 2,000 more than in 2015.

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I don't see how Le Pen is the answer to this though. She supports an income tax hike by creating a new top bracket and favors more welfare. That's my problem with her. She and Nigel have a lot in common on the EU and immigration (though she's more hardline and more overtly anti-Muslim than he is). However, he's much more of an economic conservative than she is. She's basically a socialist who doesn't like Muslims.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I don't see how Le Pen is the answer to this though. ...
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I like her because I think she will get them out of the EU (this will be to my personal benefit).
But to your point, I also hate to see France disappear. She seems to be their only politician willing to act on their suicidal immigration system. That article suggested many or most of the high asset folks were leaving for this or some reason related to it.
 
It's easy to tell the EU is becoming very afraid of Le Pen
European Parliament committee voted to lift her immunity from prosecution because she tweeted some images in 2015 of what Isis is actually doing to people
Are europeans now going to start prosecuting news organizations for showing images of terror attacks?



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Germany could fix its problem with some extreme actions.
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See, letting in a million syrian migrants in a short period of time was extreme.

Correct me if I am wrong Deez, but it is my understanding Turkish migration was gradual over time, the Turks came from a secular/westernized society, the Turks have at least partially assimilated and there were/are some problems but their migration was a net positive for Germany (and Germans love Döner now).

The turks were muslim immigrants like Syrians, but their immigration was controlled and gradual. In less than 2 years, a million Syrians coming from a unstable land with no experience in democracy that overpopulated and created ISIS just showed up in Germany. That is extreme! That is not normal or how immigration is supposed to work anywhere. Extreme measures (like sealing off the border or deportations) would be okay with dealing with the crisis.

The problem is, I do not think most Germans realize that the issue is not racism (see the Turks), the issue is that this massive flood of migrants was an extreme event. The Germans seem to treat it like something that is normal and doesnt not require an extreme (or even moderate) response. All that said, Trump is president, the EU may break up, the Cubs won the World Series... we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.
 
The German Government on Wednesday released a statement warning its citizens about travel to Sweden due to the “increased threat levels of terrorism.”

German officials recommend people exercise caution on “public transport, avoid larger crowds, and follow instructions from Swedish security forces at all times.” The government also asks that people are generally “cautious in [Stockholm]” and that “special attention and vigilance” is required “during religious holidays and at major events such as concerts or festivals.”
 
Joe Fan said:
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What happened in 2013? Paris completed a renovation of Place de la Republique. It became a memorial for the Charlie Hebdo victims in January '15 and cleaned in August '16.

Here is a picture from Jan 10, 2016 on the 1 year anniversary for the Paris attacks.

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Here they cleaned it up in August of 2016.
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Your picture was taken between the renovation, then the memorial and missing the actually cleanup.

Why? To paint a picture of unrest. What was the purpose of the graffiti? A memorial.
 
Htown77 said:
See, letting in a million syrian migrants in a short period of time was extreme.
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It was, and obviously that's not the kind of extreme action I advocate. I think that's insane.

Htown77 said:
Correct me if I am wrong Deez, but it is my understanding Turkish migration was gradual over time, the Turks came from a secular/westernized society, the Turks have at least partially assimilated and there were/are some problems but their migration was a net positive for Germany (and Germans love Döner now).
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It was relatively gradual. It started in the 1960s, had some spikes and some reductions over time, but about 55 years after the migration started, they have about 4 million ethnic Turks. They have mostly assimilated. Most of them speak German fluently (and many speak English pretty well), dress like Europeans, and though they're associated with the döner kebap cafes, they work in pretty every type of profession now. And you're correct. They came from the most Westernized and most secular Islamic country in the world, and since moving to Germany, most of them have become even more secular, though they still identify as Muslim and attend mosque. The bottom line is that they came from a place that wasn't radicalized, and they haven't radicalized here.

And yes, ethnic Germans love döner. It's kinda remarkable to walk or drive by the döner place in my village and see it dominated by a bunch of white people. The guy who runs it is a Turk, but he's so assimilated that when I walked in there, not only do I hear him speaking perfect German to customers, he has even picked up the tricks for spotting an American. When I walked in the first time, he immediately said to me in excellent English, "what can I get for you?" I've actually never had the food. It smells great, but it's all dark meat chicken, which I generally don't eat, but if it's hot outside, I'll buy a drink in there.

Htown77 said:
In less than 2 years, a million Syrians coming from a unstable land with no experience in democracy that overpopulated and created ISIS just showed up in Germany. That is extreme! That is not normal or how immigration is supposed to work anywhere. Extreme measures (like sealing off the border or deportations) would be okay with dealing with the crisis.
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You're right, and keep in mind that the Syrians are the most secular group that's coming in. Remember, you have the refugees, but you have just as many or more "migrants" who aren't refugees and aren't from Syria. The Syrian Civil War is the pretext, but it's not the whole story. Hordes of people are flooding Germany from all over the Middle East and North Africa, and they're less Westernized and more radical than the Syrians are.

They are doing deportations of people who are denied asylum. The problem is that you have to find them. It's like deporting illegal immigrants from the US. It makes infinitely more sense to not let them in UNLESS they are granted asylum. Nevertheless, border security gets complicated because of the Schengen Agreement. Once a "migrant" gets into the EU, he can get to Germany, so you have to secure a continent, not a country. To secure the EU, they'd have to secure Greece and the Mediterranean Sea. The corridors aren't that broad, and it wouldn't be that hard to do it. However, somebody has to want to do it, and they don't.

Htown77 said:
The problem is, I do not think most Germans realize that the issue is not racism (see the Turks), the issue is that this massive flood of migrants was an extreme event. The Germans seem to treat it like something that is normal and doesnt not require an extreme (or even moderate) response. All that said, Trump is president, the EU may break up, the Cubs won the World Series... we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.
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Of course it's not racism. That's just a political weapon like it is in the United States. It's a cultural issue. The German people know it's not normal, but they feel powerless to stop it. Powerful interests support it, and political leftists benefit from it. Furthermore, anyone who criticizes or is remotely skeptical of it gets slandered as a hater and a neo-Nazi. With that kind of political atmosphere, it's very hard to have a sane discussion.
 
They have the ability to stop it. They would have to vote people into office to stop it. However, like you said, the germans are paralyzed with fear of being called neo-nazis. Ironically, I think the government being completely unreasonable and ignoring the problem is more likely to create neo nazis than doing something reasonable about it.

Thank you for your perspective Deez! I always appreciate hearing from people that live over there.
 
Htown77 said:
They have the ability to stop it. They would have to vote people into office to stop it. However, like you said, the germans are paralyzed with fear of being called neo-nazis. Ironically, I think the government being completely unreasonable and ignoring the problem is more likely to create neo nazis than doing something reasonable about it.

Thank you for your perspective Deez! I always appreciate hearing from people that live over there.
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The ability is certainly there. If Alternative for Germany routs the mainstream parties, and Frauke Petry becomes the next Chancellor instead of Angela Merkel or Martin Schulz, a few things would happen. First, Seattle Husker would move to Germany. Second, she would immediately suspend the Schengen Agreement and form a large border security force with the authority to shoot people who come in illegally. Third, she'd relax Germany's gun control laws so private citizens can protect themselves. Fourth, she'd impose "extreme vetting" on all new refugees, and she'd pretty much deport anybody already granted asylum who spits on the sidewalk. She would fix the problem.

And you're right about the Left encouraging neonazism. White people in the West aren't tribal because they've decided to seek a higher ideal of general equality and assimilation - meaning a society in which no one is tribal. However, if minority groups don't assimilate and instead reject assimilation, white people will revert to tribalism simply as a matter of self-preservation. That's why what makes political radicals dangerous, and it's why guys like Richard Spencer and other alt-Righters are developing a serious following. Twenty years ago, a guy like Spencer would be written off as a freak show. He'd be viewed like David Duke
 
I just went to the Alternative für Deutschland website, and this is what popped up. Kinda messed up. Apparently somebody burned the car of the wife of one of the party's regional chairman for Rheinland-Pfalz, Uwe Junge. If this happened to a pro-migrant or left-wing politician, it would be a massive story, and they'd be rounding up suspected neo-nazis. I wonder what the reaction will be to this. The quote loosely means "Whoever sows violence will get repaid/avenged by democracy." At least that's what I think it means. lol

I read that apparently the same thing had happened to Frauke Petry who's the head of the Party and to Beatrix von Storch, the party leader in the European Parliament, whom Nigel Farage introduced to me. Sorry, can't help but bring that up every chance I get. lol

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