General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

Horns11 said:
You're using the Monmouth poll instead of the other 4 NC polls for the past week which show HRC with +2, +3, +4, and +5 unadjusted. FL is even more in doubt that NC right now for the GOP, as the only "reputable" one that shows Trump near an advantage is SurveyMonkey.

I agree that OH and IA will likely be tossups on election night. Too many former manufacturing industry folks to go blue on a whim in the non-urban areas in Ohio. Iowa likes getting attention for their primary season and typically votes for whichever party gets them more government subsidies. It was the Democrats up until about 2 or 3 years ago, so that makes them less likely to go for HRC this time. Nevada is always kind of wishy washy with their votes, but you're right that there's a slow trend towards the GOP leading up to the election night. I don't think the trend will pass the zero line into GOP territory, but if something else happened between now and then, it might flip.

You're dreaming if you think NH and CO are in play.



Maybe people should be focused on voting for a particular candidate because their ideas and platforms agree with how their conscience wants to vote, not because John Podesta may or may not have told party informants about what demographics to cherry pick in polling data. You're crazy if you think everyone with an agenda doesn't try to look for polling data that supports their side. Podesta is a crony but there are more like him on either side of the spectrum. I nominate mchammer for GOP polling data crony to try and help Trump out a bit more.
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And you're crazy if you think the polls are accurate.
 
Horns11 said:
You're using the Monmouth poll instead of the other 4 NC polls for the past week which show HRC with +2, +3, +4, and +5 unadjusted
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Were any of those polls from ABC? I seen (and not sure which state) that they only had 27% republicans that participated in their poll.
 
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Joe Fan said:
Thanks to Wikileaks we now know that at least 65 mainstream reporters were working closely with the Clinton campaign, meeting with and/or coordinating offline with top Hillary advisors. They were invited to top elitist dinners with Hillary Campaign Chairman John Podesta or Chief Campaign strategist Joel Benenson.

No one at Fox News made the list. Go figure


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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...or-coordinating-offline-top-hillary-advisors/
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Wait...a campaign trying to woo the media? That's clearly insidious. Next you'll tell me that the Trump campaign meets with Fox, Brietbart and others. Oh wait...you won't because it's only a 1-sided game to you.

If these reporters attended, does that make them dirty? I'm a decision maker for enterprise applications in my company. If I attend a dinner put on by a tech company that I'm interested in hearing more does that make me ethically challenged? If your job is to get the "scoop" maybe it's in their best interest to build a relationship with the campaign.

This doesn't mean that some aren't dirty as we all know that the campaigns use lazy media to seed stories but I'm not sure this is the indictment the alt-right would like to think it is. It plays well for the conspiracy theorists though.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Wait...a campaign trying to woo the media? That's clearly insidious. ....
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Combine that list with some of the WikiLeaks releases and it is, indeed, insidious. Some of them submitted their articles to Podesta for prior approval. This is not how a free press works.

But you, like CNN, would not know this as you both refuse to look at the Wikileaks releases.
 
Joe Fan said:
Combine that list with some of the WikiLeaks releases and it is, indeed, insidious. Some of them submitted their articles to Podesta for prior approval. This is not how a free press works.

But you, like CNN, would not know this as you both refuse to look at the Wikileaks releases.
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Yes, a few of these individuals have been shown to be way too cozy with the Clinton camp or the DNC. So, indict those as opposed to the entire lot. That is akin to someone taking Sean Hannity's relationship with Trump (buttbuddies?) and claiming it applied to all conservative media.
 
mchammer said:
And you're crazy if you think the polls are accurate.
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Says the guy using polling data to prove his point that the election is close.

I35 said:
Were any of those polls from ABC? I seen (and not sure which state) that they only had 27% republicans that participated in their poll.
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Pulse Opinion Research, CVOTER, PPP, and Reuters/Ipsos. Not that any of them are more reputable than either ABC or Monmouth, but it is 4 vs. 1.
 
mchammer said:
Speaking of Moore, listen to this. Unbelievable.

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I honestly believe Moore to be a closet Trump supporter. He'd totally blow his street cred with the hard Left to publicly back Trump, and he has gone too far Left to publicly switch to the new populist GOP. However, in the privacy of the voting booth, I guarantee you he's voting for Trump.

The liberal case against Trump is centered almost entirely on identity politics, and though Moore has gone along with identity politics as a matter of obligation, it has never been what Moore is about. He has always been about the blue collar middle class that has fallen through the cracks and has been publicly supportive of pro-labor, economic nationalism. That's what he grew up around, and that's what has always motivated him. Furthermore, he has never liked the Clintons and other corporate Democrats, frankly because they screwed over and sold out people like him.
 
Arizona's latest poll by CNN just included only 20% republican and 56% democrats even though there are more republican voters in that state.
 
Bobama the liar
Even this Clinton aides calls him out for it (internally, of course)

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