General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary
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Illegitimate.
From Bret Stephens of WSJ:
To those who don’t get why Clinton isn’t ahead by 50 points—here’s the answer.
What follows is a draft of a speech Donald Trump is scheduled to deliver Tuesday, Oct. 4 in Prescott Valley, Ariz. We haven’t confirmed its authenticity because, like the rest of the corrupt media, we’re totally dishonest.
Thank you, everybody, thank you. It’s good to be back in Arizona. And you know we’re going to win, right? The polls say we’re going to win in Arizona, and we will.
The polls also say we’d lose the general election if it were held today. But they’re wrong. So wrong. You know how pollsters work? They guess who will show up to vote on election day, and then they poll these “likely voters.”
But let me tell you something. The pollsters have no clue. None. They don’t have a clue who the electorate is, and they don’t have a clue of what’s going on in America. Believe me, folks, on election day they’re going to find out.
The other day, in Colombia—I’m talking about the country in South America—they held a vote. A referendum. President Santos staked his reputation on a, quote-unquote, peace deal with the terrorists of the FARC.
Now the FARC, they’re the worst people in the world. They’ve killed tens of thousands of people. They make their money through drug trafficking and kidnapping. They’ve been terrorizing Colombians for 50 years.
Along comes Santos, and he makes this terrible deal that says to the FARC: We’re not going to send you to jail. We’re going to sentence your leaders to community service. We’re even going to guarantee you seats in the Congress.
And all the polls said the deal was going to win in a landslide. Obama and Kerry lined up behind it. Santos told Colombians they had no choice, that it was the only road to peace.
Guess what? The polls were wrong. The Colombians knew a bad deal when they saw one. They weren’t going to let killers get away with their crimes. The only deal they want with the FARC is the same deal Reagan got from Russia: We win, they lose.
Folks, it was the same story with the Brexit vote in June. All the polls said the Brits wouldn’t vote to leave the European Union. They did. All the experts said the sky would fall if the Brits voted to go. It didn’t. These geniuses said that Britain was too small to be the master of its own destiny. The British people believe otherwise, and I’m with them!
What happened in Britain, in Colombia, it’s going to happen here. Because, like them, we’re sick of it.
We’re sick of hearing ObamaCare is working when even the New York Times admits it’s a total disaster. We’re sick of hearing how great the economy is when it’s floating on a big wave of cheap credit that benefits Wall Street at the expense of savers. We’re sick of hearing how great the Iran deal is, then watching our sailors being humiliated while we secretly fork over pallets of cash.
You know what we’re also sick of? Liberal hypocrites.
I’m not supposed to say the name I’m about to say. Well, two words: Alicia. Machado.
Who is this Alicia Machado, other than a political prop for Hillary? She was a beauty queen for a business I helped run called “ Miss Universe.” The business of beauty queens is to be beautiful, just like it’s the business of athletes to be fit. Duh! And when she gained some weight, I insisted she lose it. Did I call her “ Miss Piggy”? Boo hoo. Get over it.
For this I’m being treated very badly. Let me ask you something: Other than Lena Dunham, when was the last time Anna Wintour ran a fat person on the cover of Vogue? And when was the last time Hillary said no to one of Ms. Wintour’s big fundraisers because of Vogue’s “lookism”?
So spare me the sensitivity lectures. Spare me the business lectures, too. Those tax returns someone stole and the New York Times published? The ones that showed I once lost nearly a billion dollars and used every legal trick in the book to stage a comeback?
All of you here understand this is how business is done in America. Some years you make money. Some years you lose. You take advantage of every tax break you can because the government is trying to screw you every other way.
That’s the real world. It’s only in the unreal world that Hillary lives in that you can make a fortune by being a failed secretary of state and then cash in on obscene speaking fees, or arrange for Bill to get an $18 million salary to be “honorary chancellor” at a for-profit college while the Obama administration destroys every other for-profit. That’s called corruption, no matter whether it’s legal or not.
Folks, there’s a giant wave coming. A tsunami of Americans who won’t stand for being told we don’t know what’s good for us. Who refuse to be lectured by political grifters about how to make an honest buck. Who don’t need our morals improved by Hillary Macbeth and Billy Caligula. And who refuse to accept that we have to make lousy deals, or make do with less, or that America can’t ever be great again.
To all the liberals and Never Trumpers who don’t get why Hillary isn’t ahead by 50 points—I just explained it. To all of you, get ready for Nov. 8. It’s going to be a beautiful thing. Believe me.
To those who don’t get why Clinton isn’t ahead by 50 points—here’s the answer.
What follows is a draft of a speech Donald Trump is scheduled to deliver Tuesday, Oct. 4 in Prescott Valley, Ariz. We haven’t confirmed its authenticity because, like the rest of the corrupt media, we’re totally dishonest.
Thank you, everybody, thank you. It’s good to be back in Arizona. And you know we’re going to win, right? The polls say we’re going to win in Arizona, and we will.
The polls also say we’d lose the general election if it were held today. But they’re wrong. So wrong. You know how pollsters work? They guess who will show up to vote on election day, and then they poll these “likely voters.”
But let me tell you something. The pollsters have no clue. None. They don’t have a clue who the electorate is, and they don’t have a clue of what’s going on in America. Believe me, folks, on election day they’re going to find out.
The other day, in Colombia—I’m talking about the country in South America—they held a vote. A referendum. President Santos staked his reputation on a, quote-unquote, peace deal with the terrorists of the FARC.
Now the FARC, they’re the worst people in the world. They’ve killed tens of thousands of people. They make their money through drug trafficking and kidnapping. They’ve been terrorizing Colombians for 50 years.
Along comes Santos, and he makes this terrible deal that says to the FARC: We’re not going to send you to jail. We’re going to sentence your leaders to community service. We’re even going to guarantee you seats in the Congress.
And all the polls said the deal was going to win in a landslide. Obama and Kerry lined up behind it. Santos told Colombians they had no choice, that it was the only road to peace.
Guess what? The polls were wrong. The Colombians knew a bad deal when they saw one. They weren’t going to let killers get away with their crimes. The only deal they want with the FARC is the same deal Reagan got from Russia: We win, they lose.
Folks, it was the same story with the Brexit vote in June. All the polls said the Brits wouldn’t vote to leave the European Union. They did. All the experts said the sky would fall if the Brits voted to go. It didn’t. These geniuses said that Britain was too small to be the master of its own destiny. The British people believe otherwise, and I’m with them!
What happened in Britain, in Colombia, it’s going to happen here. Because, like them, we’re sick of it.
We’re sick of hearing ObamaCare is working when even the New York Times admits it’s a total disaster. We’re sick of hearing how great the economy is when it’s floating on a big wave of cheap credit that benefits Wall Street at the expense of savers. We’re sick of hearing how great the Iran deal is, then watching our sailors being humiliated while we secretly fork over pallets of cash.
You know what we’re also sick of? Liberal hypocrites.
I’m not supposed to say the name I’m about to say. Well, two words: Alicia. Machado.
Who is this Alicia Machado, other than a political prop for Hillary? She was a beauty queen for a business I helped run called “ Miss Universe.” The business of beauty queens is to be beautiful, just like it’s the business of athletes to be fit. Duh! And when she gained some weight, I insisted she lose it. Did I call her “ Miss Piggy”? Boo hoo. Get over it.
For this I’m being treated very badly. Let me ask you something: Other than Lena Dunham, when was the last time Anna Wintour ran a fat person on the cover of Vogue? And when was the last time Hillary said no to one of Ms. Wintour’s big fundraisers because of Vogue’s “lookism”?
So spare me the sensitivity lectures. Spare me the business lectures, too. Those tax returns someone stole and the New York Times published? The ones that showed I once lost nearly a billion dollars and used every legal trick in the book to stage a comeback?
All of you here understand this is how business is done in America. Some years you make money. Some years you lose. You take advantage of every tax break you can because the government is trying to screw you every other way.
That’s the real world. It’s only in the unreal world that Hillary lives in that you can make a fortune by being a failed secretary of state and then cash in on obscene speaking fees, or arrange for Bill to get an $18 million salary to be “honorary chancellor” at a for-profit college while the Obama administration destroys every other for-profit. That’s called corruption, no matter whether it’s legal or not.
Folks, there’s a giant wave coming. A tsunami of Americans who won’t stand for being told we don’t know what’s good for us. Who refuse to be lectured by political grifters about how to make an honest buck. Who don’t need our morals improved by Hillary Macbeth and Billy Caligula. And who refuse to accept that we have to make lousy deals, or make do with less, or that America can’t ever be great again.
To all the liberals and Never Trumpers who don’t get why Hillary isn’t ahead by 50 points—I just explained it. To all of you, get ready for Nov. 8. It’s going to be a beautiful thing. Believe me.
Horns11
10,000+ Posts
If we're due for a revolution in how people see polls because of Brexit and FARC, fine. I'd love some actual American examples to compare it to (maybe like College Football Playoffs stuff). Polling data in the U.S. hasn't been "wrong" compared to opinion polls and exit polls since about 1968.
But he refuses to get off of the topics that will not help him win in November. Calling out hypocrisy in how women are covered in media and how others are just as corrupt doesn't add anything to his existing voting block. If it adds these secret, unregistered voters that no one has heard of and will tip the scales in his favor, then he'll get the final say.
And you know this how?
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
It appears that the Obama White House directly interceded while Clinton was under criminal investigation by FBI
http://www.wsj.com/articles/white-h...issues-new-documents-show-1475798310?mod=e2tw
"Newly disclosed emails show top Obama administration officials were in close contact with Hillary Clinton’s nascent presidential campaign in early 2015 about the potential fallout from revelations that the former secretary of state used a private email server.
Their discussion included a request from the White House communications director to her counterpart at the State Department to see if it was possible to arrange for Secretary of State John Kerry to avoid questions during media appearances about Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement.
In another instance, a top State Department official assured an attorney for Mrs. Clinton that, contrary to media reports, a department official hadn’t told Congress that Mrs. Clinton erred in using a private email account......"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/white-h...issues-new-documents-show-1475798310?mod=e2tw
"Newly disclosed emails show top Obama administration officials were in close contact with Hillary Clinton’s nascent presidential campaign in early 2015 about the potential fallout from revelations that the former secretary of state used a private email server.
Their discussion included a request from the White House communications director to her counterpart at the State Department to see if it was possible to arrange for Secretary of State John Kerry to avoid questions during media appearances about Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement.
In another instance, a top State Department official assured an attorney for Mrs. Clinton that, contrary to media reports, a department official hadn’t told Congress that Mrs. Clinton erred in using a private email account......"
I loathe Hillary and her husband but the hit piece from al Jaz was comically dishonest. Here is what happened in Honduras: the constitution provides that it is a removable offense for a president to take any steps which would result in his staying in office beyond one term. Sort of like Mexico's one term limit. The president promoted a referendum that would authorize a president to be re elected. The Congress and Supreme Court ruled that was taking a prohibited step and removed him.
Our government (I use the term advisedly to describe the government of the US) did not want to get involved in a Honduran internal dispute but ended up stalling and the president's term expired and he did not get his referendum.
This is what the propagandists at al Jaz refer to without explanation as a coup in Honduras. It wasn't. They are lying.
I do not want this post to be interpreted as an endorsement of Hillary Clinton or anything she has ever done. I just don't care for lying Arabs trying to influence our corrupt elections.
Our government (I use the term advisedly to describe the government of the US) did not want to get involved in a Honduran internal dispute but ended up stalling and the president's term expired and he did not get his referendum.
This is what the propagandists at al Jaz refer to without explanation as a coup in Honduras. It wasn't. They are lying.
I do not want this post to be interpreted as an endorsement of Hillary Clinton or anything she has ever done. I just don't care for lying Arabs trying to influence our corrupt elections.
Good Lord. We find out the White House coordinated with Hillary to minimize the reality of Hillary private server even tho BO lied and told us he did not know about the private server
We also find out Hillary and her campaign manipulated CBS for an interview etc
The Podesta emails are coming out that show how sleazy she and her people are.
But the YUGE story on MSM? Comments Trump made 11 years ago
We also find out Hillary and her campaign manipulated CBS for an interview etc
The Podesta emails are coming out that show how sleazy she and her people are.
But the YUGE story on MSM? Comments Trump made 11 years ago
Surely you aren't surprised. This is why you don't nominate a guy like Trump in the first place.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
I had to go look. You don't think this is newsworthy compared to the White House trying to deflect HRC email controversy questions away from SOS John Kerry? If so, Republicans clearly deserve Trump as their candidate. Not sure how any female can walk into a voting booth and vote for this guy.
This was months after Trump married Melania.
FWIW here is Trump's statement:
This was months after Trump married Melania.
FWIW here is Trump's statement:
Yes, I'm sure there are, and when Trump says Bill says much worse on the golf course, I believe him. I'm sure he does. Furthermore, I, and I think most Americans, could accept the excuse that this is 11 years old if Trump acted like a different guy today, but he doesn't. He may not publicly brag about sexually assaulting women, but generally acting like a misogynistic jerk is normal for him.
When Trump announced that he had become a born again Christian, he needed to come clean and disavow his past idiocy. If he had, and if he hadn't acted like a misogynistic jerk throughout his campaign then he could explain this away and dismiss this as the "old Trump." However, when he smack talked about Megyn Kelly, bragged about this size of his junk, made fun of Carly Fiorina and Alicia Machado, etc., he reinforced the narrative that he has contempt and disrespect for women and doesn't view or treat them like adults but as lowly, second class citizens who exist as tools for his own purposes. This recording only reinforced what people already suspected about Trump.
texas_ex2000
2,500+ Posts
Like I said a few weeks ago when it looked like Trump would rumble past Hillary...don't think Trump wouldn't shoot himself in the foot and blow it.
Deez hits the nail on the head as it relates to his candidacy. I will say that if you're a guy, you have heard your friends say the same thing about a woman. It is locker room talk amongst regular guys. Feminists I'm sure hate it, but if you ever served in the military, were in a frat, or played team sports...men will talk like that. Women use just as colorful language when talking about men.
People that support Trump or are still undecided have already determined his mysogyny isn't material in their choice between him and Hillary. Locker room talk is stiff regular men do when they are around other guys. Using a private server circumventing classified material laws are not something regular people do.
I'm of the opinion that we should look up to our leaders, and that leaders should reflect the best of us. However, this is the f'in real 21st Century World. There hasn't be a real honorable president in I don't know how long. I don't think voters will care because they know neither are role models. You hve a choice between someone who talks like a regular person and someone who can't speak a sentence without polling the idea first and then reading it off a teleprompter. A mysogynist vs a corrupt politican that operates above the law.
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@Hollandtx , I hope you don't mind, but I used your "shiny new object" reference on Facebook today in discussing how Trump won the nomination. Too good to pass up.
Sorry, but this is beyond locker room talk. I've been in locker rooms. I've drunk beer and participated in plenty of lewd discussions about chicks. None of have involved anything like what Trump discussed. Call me a prude, but the idea of grabbing women by their genitalia against their will would never appeal to me or even the nastiest dudes I know.
His language for sure is crude and offensive.
You would think if that is a tactic he actually used there would have been women who would have already come forward.
It would not be surprising to learn the HRC campaign is feverishly looking for anyone willing to say he did that.
You would think if that is a tactic he actually used there would have been women who would have already come forward.
It would not be surprising to learn the HRC campaign is feverishly looking for anyone willing to say he did that.
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texas_ex2000
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I've heard much worse in the Navy. And I've seen much morse amongst married men at bachelor parties. I was never in a frat, but I have friends that were and this locker room talk was common.
I never talked like that and was, in a way, an outsider to that jockular culture. I was a bookish intel weenie around fighter pilots and enlisted sailors and marines.
If one of these pilots and marines were running against Hillary, locker room language they used 13 years ago wouldn't sway me at all. I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.
Then maybe I'm just a prude. Never thought I was, but I guess the bar has gotten low.
texas_ex2000
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Trump is not a guy I would every want to hang out with. The biggest issue is his egomania. I can't stand to be around egomaniacs. There are certain cultures that promote men's confidence/egos. The military, especially fighter squadrons, are one of those. Athletics at the highest levels. Wall Street is another one. Many men in these industries take it too far. Unfortunately, I think to a degree one needs to be a little of an egomaniac to be successful.
I joined the navy because I read these Patrick O'Brian novels and other books on chivalry and adventure...being an officer and a gentleman (which means respecting women). As a banker George Bailey was my hero, not Gordon Gecko. I didn't like the egomaniacs or become friends with them.
As a Christian and Catholic I believe humans are not perfect, humans sin, and humans are weak and unable to control themselves. As a Christian, you should accept that, but recognize it and strive to be a better person. With that in mind, the most important thing I believe a man must have is his word. That also means are you what you say you are. As distasteful as Trump is, I have never got the impression that he claims to be some moral standard bearer. I cannot say the same for Hillary.
Do I wish we had some truly morally upstanding candidate to vote for? I wish. Unfortunately that's not the case.
I joined the navy because I read these Patrick O'Brian novels and other books on chivalry and adventure...being an officer and a gentleman (which means respecting women). As a banker George Bailey was my hero, not Gordon Gecko. I didn't like the egomaniacs or become friends with them.
As a Christian and Catholic I believe humans are not perfect, humans sin, and humans are weak and unable to control themselves. As a Christian, you should accept that, but recognize it and strive to be a better person. With that in mind, the most important thing I believe a man must have is his word. That also means are you what you say you are. As distasteful as Trump is, I have never got the impression that he claims to be some moral standard bearer. I cannot say the same for Hillary.
Do I wish we had some truly morally upstanding candidate to vote for? I wish. Unfortunately that's not the case.
How do you know it was against their will? Apparently from what I read from others the very rich do some outrageous things.
I'm sure that sometimes it's not, but a gentleman would never presume such a thing. And again, what guy wants to do this? Obviously, I understand why a guy wants to have sex and everything that implies, but randomly grabbing people by the crotch doesn't seem like an act of desire or even lust as much as it seems like an act of domination. And that's messed up.
Some do. Most don't. Even most rich dudes don't walk around like they're Rick James.
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