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Monahorns said:
mchammer, that's damning. Need police at each of those things to arrest anyone trying it.
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It only takes 10-20 votes in 1000 precincts across the state to change the election in GA, WI, and AZ. In reality it was probably 100-200 harvested ballots in 100 Dem precincts in each state. Or 1000-2000 ballots in the top 10 Dem precincts in the state.
 
mchammer said:
It only takes 10-20 votes in 1000 precincts across the state to change the election in GA, WI, and AZ. In reality it was probably 100-200 harvested ballots in 100 Dem precincts in each state. Or 1000-2000 ballots in the top 10 Dem precincts in the state.
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Or, you had a vile candidate. If they hacked Wisconsin wouldn’t they hack the senate as well? What you had was swing voters who voted for a gop senator and Biden.
 
Mr. Deez said:
And nothing. I think the article is pretty much right on all points.
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Well, we did have an ex-Wisconsin SCOTUS who investigated Wisconsin and said the Zuckerbucks had a dire influence on the election there. If private donors are getting access to things such as voter rolls I don't know how anybody can say with confidence that there was no fraud.
 
Garmel said:
Well, we did have an ex-Wisconsin SCOTUS who investigated Wisconsin and said the Zuckerbucks had a dire influence on the election there. If private donors are getting access to things such as voter rolls I don't know how anybody can say with confidence that there was no fraud.
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You can think private donors shouldn't be involved in elections and still think there needs to be solid proof of fraud before saying the election was stolen.
 
Mr. Deez said:
You can think private donors shouldn't be involved in elections and still think there needs to be solid proof of fraud before saying the election was stolen.
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"Solid proof" is in the eye of the beholder. You want courts to say it but sometimes common sense tells you these things. I don't need a court to tell me that the media is biased because I see it with my own eyes. Likewise, I know 100,000 vote clusters that we saw during election day that go 90%+ in one direction is ********.
 
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mchammer said:
What the actual living duck are you talking about? There was no 2020 senate race in WI.

2020 United States Senate elections - Wikipedia
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You can say **** instead of duck. You are correct that I was wrong. I was seeing Ron Johnson say this: yet still promoting The Big Lie. Ron Johnson Gets Caught Debunking the Big Lie It's almost like he says one thing for cameras and another thing when he thinks a camera isn't on. To use a Cosmo Kramer term: He's a two face.

I was commenting on the general fact that there is a Trump tax that a certain percentage of Republic voters will vote for a GOP Congress and not for Trump. I think that number is about 3%. I'll try to find it.
 
Mr. Deez said:
You can think private donors shouldn't be involved in elections and still think there needs to be solid proof of fraud before saying the election was stolen.
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Reasonable people can assume there was 100% certitude that fraud occurred. The debate is the scale.
 
Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory
This really says all that you need to know:
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Only one Biden related number is smaller in 2020 than it was in 2016. 2% of conservative Rep/lean Rep is less than 3%. Every other number for Biden is larger in 2020 when compared with HRC in 2016. 5% more Dem/lean Dem, 10% more Independent/other, 8% more moderate/liberal Rep, 6% more moderate/conservative Dem and 4% more Liberal Dem/Lean Dem.

HRC was almost universally disliked except by pure partisans. It seems Trump is that way as well.

In Changing U.S. Electorate, Race and Education Remain Stark Dividing Lines

About 1/3 of registered voters identify as Independent. 10% of that group is significant.
 
Ok, redone math. 34% of 168,308,000 million registered voters is 57,224,720. 10% of that is 5,722,472. The difference in the election was 7,052,770.
 
OUBubba said:
You can say f**khead instead of duck. You are correct that I was wrong. I was seeing Ron Johnson say this:
I was commenting on the general fact that there is a Trump tax that a certain percentage of Republic voters will vote for a GOP Congress and not for Trump. I think that number is about 3%. I'll try to find it.
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And there is a Dem tax too. And there is the ballot harvesting that heavily went to one side.
 
OUBubba said:
Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory
This really says all that you need to know:
PP_2021.06.30_validated-voters_00-04.png

Only one Biden related number is smaller in 2020 than it was in 2016. 2% of conservative Rep/lean Rep is less than 3%. Every other number for Biden is larger in 2020 when compared with HRC in 2016. 5% more Dem/lean Dem, 10% more Independent/other, 8% more moderate/liberal Rep, 6% more moderate/conservative Dem and 4% more Liberal Dem/Lean Dem.

HRC was almost universally disliked except by pure partisans. It seems Trump is that way as well.

In Changing U.S. Electorate, Race and Education Remain Stark Dividing Lines

About 1/3 of registered voters identify as Independent. 10% of that group is significant.
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You didn’t address that Trump picked up minorities who typically vote Dem and the 40,000 harvested ballots in 3 states that made the difference in the election.
 
mchammer said:
How many of those votes were harvested in the places that mattered?
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They used validated voters. “Validated voters are citizens who told us in a post-election survey that they voted in the 2020 general election andhave a record for voting in a commercial voter file. Nonvoters are citizens who were not found to have a record of voting in any of the voter files or told us they did not vote.”

if I were a South Pole liberal I might post: “if you would actually read the article you wouldn’t have to ask these basic questions. Also, if you would have read the link on post 1,324 of this thread it would be plainly clear that *checks notes* the election was obviously stolen.”

I’m not. Those factors should be baked into that retrospective study. Trump was not a favorable candidate to most people.
 
OUBubba said:
They used validated voters. “Validated voters are citizens who told us in a post-election survey that they voted in the 2020 general election andhave a record for voting in a commercial voter file. Nonvoters are citizens who were not found to have a record of voting in any of the voter files or told us they did not vote.”

if I were a South Pole liberal I might post: “if you would actually read the article you wouldn’t have to ask these basic questions. Also, if you would have read the link on post 1,324 of this thread it would be plainly clear that *checks notes* the election was obviously stolen.”

I’m not. Those factors should be baked into that retrospective study. Trump was not a favorable candidate to most people.
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So the study excluded harvested ballots.
 
mchammer said:
What we need is a study on the harvested ballots. Who is doing that? And if someone tells me that it is not possible, why isn’t it?
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Maybe you should define harvested. Are they absentee ballots dropped off by someone other than the voter?
 
OUBubba said:
Maybe you should define harvested. Are they absentee ballots dropped off by someone other than the voter?
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These are mail-in or absentee ballots that are collected and filled in by paid “ballot harvesters”. They are either done without the consent of the voter or the voter is so out of reality they don’t know who they are voting for.
 
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