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[Garmel]

Good Lord, it's absolutely legal to drop off ballots in GA.
Georgia Code Title 21. Elections § 21-2-385 | FindLaw

Only in certain circumstances. Do you think the SOS of Georgia would be having an investigation if ballot harvesting was legal in Ga?

Are you really new here or are you one of the Ghosts of Liberals Past with a new account?

 

[OUBubba]

Good Lord, it's absolutely legal to drop off ballots in GA.
Georgia Code Title 21. Elections § 21-2-385 | FindLaw

Don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

That's a lot of people that can help the elderly drop off an absentee ballot. Good on them.

 

[OUBubba]

These are mail-in or absentee ballots that are collected and filled in by paid “ballot harvesters”. They are either done without the consent of the voter or the voter is so out of reality they don’t know who they are voting for.

Here's where you jump to some SIGNIFICANT conclusions: "filled in by paid 'ballot harvesters'"; "without consent"; "so out of reality". But keep being reasonable.

 

[Garmel]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

That's a lot of people that can help the elderly drop off an absentee ballot. Good on them.

That explains the people with massive amounts of ballots in their hands taking pictures.

 

[Horn6721]

HomeB
That is a problem even to drop off one ballot But not a big one
The problem with drop off boxes as True the Vote clearly showed is people dropping off dozens at a time.

 

[Horn6721]

Bubba?
Did you watch the True the Vote vids?

 

[OUBubba]

HomeB
That is a problem even to drop off one ballot But not a big one
The problem with drop off boxes as True the Vote clearly showed is people dropping off dozens at a time.

Can assisted living folks have staff drop off ballots?

 

[Homebrewer]

Can assisted living folks have staff drop off ballots?

"The absentee ballot of a disabled elector may be mailed or delivered by the caregiver of such disabled elector, regardless of whether such caregiver resides in such disabled elector's household."

 

[NJlonghorn]

I've been seeing a flurry of comments in the Twitterverse about illegal voting in Georgia. I thought I'd check what is being said about it here and, true to form, some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Up until 2018, the Georgia statute (sec. 21-2-385) allowed disabled voters to have a family member return a completed ballot:

delivery by a physically disabled elector may be made by any adult person upon satisfactory proof that such adult person is such elector's mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, or an individual residing in the household of such disabled elector.

In 2019, that was changed to allow any early voter to have a family member return his or her ballot:

mailing or delivery may be made by the elector's mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, or an individual residing in the household of such elector.

Note that this amendment also removed the requirement that proof of the relationship be submitted to the clerk at the time of the vote.

Videos showing people dropping off a dozen ballots could show a ballot harvester, or it could show someone making sure his or her extended family's ballots are all returned and counted.

Ballot harvesting (i.e. going door to door and collecting votes from non-family-members) remains illegal in Georgia. It is likely that some of the videos show people dropping off ballots that were harvested illegally. That should be investigated and, where confirmed, prosecuted. But without further proof, the videos of people dropping off multiple ballots is meaningless.

 

[mchammer]

I've been seeing a flurry of comments in the Twitterverse about illegal voting in Georgia. I thought I'd check what is being said about it here and, true to form, some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Up until 2018, the Georgia statute (sec. 21-2-385) allowed disabled voters to have a family member return a completed ballot:

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In 2019, that was changed to allow any early voter to have a family member return his or her ballot:

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Note that this amendment also removed the requirement that proof of the relationship be submitted to the clerk at the time of the vote.

Videos showing people dropping off a dozen ballots could show a ballot harvester, or it could show someone making sure his or her extended family's ballots are all returned and counted.

Ballot harvesting (i.e. going door to door and collecting votes from non-family-members) remains illegal in Georgia. It is likely that some of the videos show people dropping off ballots that were harvested illegally. That should be investigated and, where confirmed, prosecuted. But without further proof, the videos of people dropping off multiple ballots is meaningless.

Now you are speculating on the speculation. How come the harvester (legal or not) sign a sheet detailing his activities that can be audited later?

 

[NJlonghorn]

Now you are speculating on the speculation.

I'm not speculating. I'm withholding judgment until an investigation turns anything up.

How come the harvester (legal or not) sign a sheet detailing his activities that can be audited later?

In New Jersey, a person collecting and returning someone else's ballot is required to sign the envelope so that there is a record of who returned the ballot. Plus, there are limits on how many ballots one person can return. I'm not sure what (if anything) Georgia requires, but I think requirements like this make sense.

 

[Horn6721]

NJ
The issue is multiple ballots being dropped off at a ballot box by one person

In NJ doesn't someone other than the voter have to have authorized permission to submit another's ballot?
And doesn't the authorized person have to take the ballot to the county board?

 

[OUBubba]

NJ
The issue is multiple ballots being dropped off at a ballot box by one person

In NJ doesn't someone other than the voter have to have authorized permission to submit another's ballot?
And doesn't the authorized person have to take the ballot to the county board?

As stated above, that is not illegal.

 

[huisache]

I have a hard time believing any sane person would want to be seen voting for Biden or Trump

but clearly millions of people did vote for each

therefore, lots of insane people voting.
As a result we keep getting dunces like Biden and Trump and Obama and W. And Clinton

not a Washington or Jefferson in the bunch

thank God or somebody we still have an economy that pays for all the zhit these idiots do

 

[iatrogenic]

Georgia has video evidence of thousands of ballots being dropped off between 12am and 5am, which is not the usual time people do anything except sleep. They also have confessions of harvesters that were paid $10 per ballot.

 

[Horn6721]

Bubba or NJ
Do you think it should be legal for people to drop dozens of ballots into drop boxes as shown in the video?
This is Not the same as a relative dropping off an absentee ballot to a county board official.
No one in this thread has said anything about someone submitting an absentee ballot for a relative.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

In New Jersey, a person collecting and returning someone else's ballot is required to sign the envelope so that there is a record of who returned the ballot. Plus, there are limits on how many ballots one person can return. I'm not sure what (if anything) Georgia requires, but I think requirements like this make sense.

Do you think it should be legal for people to drop dozens of ballots into drop boxes as shown in the video?

Seems like NJ addressed your question several posts back.

 

[OUBubba]

Bubba or NJ
Do you think it should be legal for people to drop dozens of ballots into drop boxes as shown in the video?
This is Not the same as a relative dropping off an absentee ballot to a county board official.
No one in this thread has said anything about someone submitting an absentee ballot for a relative.

It is legal. 810,000 people live in assisted living. 1,600,000 live in nursing home. Assuming 810k is part of the 1.6 million. That’s 1% of registered voters who voted during the last election who, during a pandemic that specifically attacks the old and in-firmed, should be kept away from any voting apparatus.

 

[Homebrewer]

Is there some other video to watch besides the one with the "maroon-dressed woman" who appears to deliver six ballots? My family is exceedingly small, but I could easily and completely legally deliver six absentee ballots under Georgia law. It is interesting that the two folks dressed in shorts appearing at the 18th second in the video aren't called out by the narrators as "doing the wrong thing" or as "mules" or "felons."

 

[iatrogenic]

$10 per ballot. Confession.
How many were doing this?

 

[Horn6721]

Home
So in Georgia a "family member can deliver numerous absentee ballots to a drop box?
They don't have to drop off to the county board?

 

[mchammer]

Home
So in Georgia a "family member can deliver numerous absentee ballots to a drop box?
They don't have to drop off to the county board?

Or sign a ledger for whom they are dropping off the ballots, complete with voter information for later auditing? I know the answer - it’s illegal under the civil rights act from 60 years ago.

 

[OUBubba]

Or sign a ledger for whom they are dropping off the ballots, complete with voter information for later auditing? I know the answer - it’s illegal under the civil rights act from 60 years ago.

Did you miss the quote of the election law indicating that this was actually legal?

 

[mchammer]

Did you miss the quote of the election law indicating that this was actually legal?

I want it auditable due to chain of custody concerns. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it can’t be abused. Tax deductions are legal too but there’s never an issue there, right?

 

[OUBubba]

I want it auditable due to chain of custody concerns. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it can’t be abused. Tax deductions are legal too but there’s never an issue there, right?

I inferred you were talking retrospectively. I’m good with that change. If we are going to make it easy to vote we should also validate that as well.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I inferred you were talking retrospectively. I’m good with that change. If we are going to make it easy to vote we should also validate that as well.

I think we should make it not onerous, but more difficult to vote, AND strengthen our ability to validate ballots as well. I only want ballots from citizens who are concerned enough with the outcome to treat it more seriously than a Junior High student council election.

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

For those too dense:
1. FDA took forever to approve rapid tests. $$$ were involved here
2. Mail in ballots approved without delay.

 

[mchammer]

Dems are dumb:

 

[Horn6721]

I think the state of Texas sends notice to your old state when you register here to vote.
At least that is what I was told during a deputy voter registrar class.