first Ebola case in the USA confirmed in Dallas
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Seattle Husker
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Another perspective on how this strain of ebola can be transmitted
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"In June, the international aid agency Doctors Without Borders, one of the leading responders on previous Ebola outbreaks, warned that the virus was already out of control. But the World Health Organization disagreed. Doctors said they were told to avoid causing panic.
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"Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC's most far-reaching study of Ebola's transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.
"We just don't have the data to exclude it," said Peters, who continues to research viral diseases at The University of Texas in Galveston.
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Dr. Philip K. Russell, a virologist who oversaw Ebola research while heading the U.S. Army's Medical Research and Development Command, and who later led the government's massive stockpiling of smallpox vaccine after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said much was still to be learned. "Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here."
If Ebola were to mutate on its path from human to human, said Russell and other scientists, its virulence might wane — or it might spread in ways not observed during past outbreaks, which were stopped after transmission among just two to three people, before the virus had a greater chance to evolve. The present outbreak in West Africa has killed approximately 3,400 people, and there is no medical cure for Ebola.
"I see the reasons to dampen down public fears," Russell said. "But scientifically, we're in the middle of the first experiment of multiple, serial passages of Ebola virus in man.... God knows what this virus is going to look like. I don't."
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I won't " worry" about a pandemic but I do respect Dr/Scientists who have spent years studying more than I respect someone from a gov't alphabet agency.
time will tell
The Link
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"In June, the international aid agency Doctors Without Borders, one of the leading responders on previous Ebola outbreaks, warned that the virus was already out of control. But the World Health Organization disagreed. Doctors said they were told to avoid causing panic.
and
"Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC's most far-reaching study of Ebola's transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.
"We just don't have the data to exclude it," said Peters, who continues to research viral diseases at The University of Texas in Galveston.
l Related
From Guinea to Dallas: Tracing the Ebola threatAfricaFrom Guinea to Dallas: Tracing the Ebola threatSee all relatedí
Dr. Philip K. Russell, a virologist who oversaw Ebola research while heading the U.S. Army's Medical Research and Development Command, and who later led the government's massive stockpiling of smallpox vaccine after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said much was still to be learned. "Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here."
If Ebola were to mutate on its path from human to human, said Russell and other scientists, its virulence might wane — or it might spread in ways not observed during past outbreaks, which were stopped after transmission among just two to three people, before the virus had a greater chance to evolve. The present outbreak in West Africa has killed approximately 3,400 people, and there is no medical cure for Ebola.
"I see the reasons to dampen down public fears," Russell said. "But scientifically, we're in the middle of the first experiment of multiple, serial passages of Ebola virus in man.... God knows what this virus is going to look like. I don't."
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I won't " worry" about a pandemic but I do respect Dr/Scientists who have spent years studying more than I respect someone from a gov't alphabet agency.
time will tell
majorwhiteapples
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I would think the infectious disease is a real science vs. Global Warming made by man!!!!
The media keeps repeating things like the following from a recent ABC news story: “Thankfully, the virus is not airborne, which means a person cannot get the disease simply by breathing the same air as an infected patient.”
This isn’t necessarily true. Two national experts on infectious disease transmission have reported that Ebola can be transmitted by infectious aerosol particles. From their recent article:
“We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks...
The important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract...
Many body fluids, such as vomit, diarrhea, blood, and saliva, are capable of creating inhalable aerosol particles in the immediate vicinity of an infected person. Cough was identified among some cases in a 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and coughs are known to emit viruses in respirable particles. The act of vomiting produces an aerosol and has been implicated in airborne transmission of gastrointestinal viruses. Regarding diarrhea, even when contained by toilets, toilet flushing emits a pathogen-laden aerosol that disperses in the air.”
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The Spanish nurse who contracted Ebola (reported yesterday) only entered the patient’s room twice (and one of those instances was after the patient had died). Spain is not a third world country and should have proper protocols in place. This lends credence to the idea that perhaps this virus is more contagious than originally thought.
This isn’t necessarily true. Two national experts on infectious disease transmission have reported that Ebola can be transmitted by infectious aerosol particles. From their recent article:
“We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks...
The important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract...
Many body fluids, such as vomit, diarrhea, blood, and saliva, are capable of creating inhalable aerosol particles in the immediate vicinity of an infected person. Cough was identified among some cases in a 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and coughs are known to emit viruses in respirable particles. The act of vomiting produces an aerosol and has been implicated in airborne transmission of gastrointestinal viruses. Regarding diarrhea, even when contained by toilets, toilet flushing emits a pathogen-laden aerosol that disperses in the air.”
the Link
The Spanish nurse who contracted Ebola (reported yesterday) only entered the patient’s room twice (and one of those instances was after the patient had died). Spain is not a third world country and should have proper protocols in place. This lends credence to the idea that perhaps this virus is more contagious than originally thought.
Mr. Fiesta
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So much for him getting better. Now the only way to get rid of the virus completely is to cremate the body and treat the ashes as you would something toxic.
Mr. Fiesta
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Possibly in Frisco now Uh oh.....
Clean
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Yeah, I laughed when they said they had tracked down 100% of the people who had contact with patient zero. It's impossible to know with 100% certainty.
They don't know if he used a public restroom and walked out the door without washing his hands, or wiped his nose and picked up an item in the grocery store, or a million other every day scenarios.
What was that line from Juraissic Park; "life always finds a way".
They don't know if he used a public restroom and walked out the door without washing his hands, or wiped his nose and picked up an item in the grocery store, or a million other every day scenarios.
What was that line from Juraissic Park; "life always finds a way".
Channel 8 (WFAA) in Dallas is reporting that the newest possible patient was one of the 5 Dallas Deputies that entered the apartment where the first patient was staying when he became symptomatic.
This is the same deputy that entered the apartment without proper and any precautionary safety equipment. The same deputy that the CDC, Dallas Judge Clay Jenkins and on and on said had absolutely no, zero, chance of contracting the virus.
If this is turns out to be a negative case, then it'll be good to know that care facilities are taking no risks with any potential cases.
If this is the second confirmed case, and first case spread in America, then all bets are off and the poop will begin hitting the fan.
This is the same deputy that entered the apartment without proper and any precautionary safety equipment. The same deputy that the CDC, Dallas Judge Clay Jenkins and on and on said had absolutely no, zero, chance of contracting the virus.
If this is turns out to be a negative case, then it'll be good to know that care facilities are taking no risks with any potential cases.
If this is the second confirmed case, and first case spread in America, then all bets are off and the poop will begin hitting the fan.
zork
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Why wouldn't it be reasonable to, at minimum, monitor everyone who went into that apartment? Especially before it had been cleaned given the degradation times for the disease?
Also, if you have been in contact with the apartment, etc, why not instruct the people to call the cdc or some other hotline before going to a public clinic?
Also, if you have been in contact with the apartment, etc, why not instruct the people to call the cdc or some other hotline before going to a public clinic?
Mr. Fiesta
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There are so many opportunities for a "breach in protocol" - that's what makes it so scary. One obvious weak point is what to do with a facemask after leaving a patient's room. The nurse might remove and dispose of her gown and gloves, but she isn't necessarily going to dispose of a mask after every visit (the masks are expensive and require an actual fitting based on the shape of one's face). My sister was a nurse, and told me the nurses would typically put their masks in a paper sack with their names on it and put it on a shelf. Every time those nurses put that mask on in the future, they're attaching a contaminated piece of equipment to their faces. And a bigger issue might be the fact that they should be wearing respirators, not just facemasks (as recommended in the article I posted earlier).
Clean
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Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the CDC threw the infected nurse under the bus saying there was a breach in protocol.
He doesn't have a clue how it happened. He just knows that there was one. Apparently when you taking your protective gear off, you have to be super careful because the outside of it is contaminated and if you touch it you could be contaminated.
The good news is that soap and warm water will kill it (alledgedly).
He doesn't have a clue how it happened. He just knows that there was one. Apparently when you taking your protective gear off, you have to be super careful because the outside of it is contaminated and if you touch it you could be contaminated.
The good news is that soap and warm water will kill it (alledgedly).
My guess is that the CDC 'protocol' is a moving target as evidenced by the 'possible' case from The Woodlands...the last item on the protocol list for who to test was associated with whether the patient had been to one of the listed countries...they hadn't been, so no test. Never mind that they met the other items on the 'protocol' for testing.
And if the CDC is going to fail that miserably on their protocols for testing, you can bet that medical facilities have been given conflicting guidance on how and what to do with respect to the employees who treat the patients that DID meet testing protocols and were determined to have the virus...
And if the CDC is going to fail that miserably on their protocols for testing, you can bet that medical facilities have been given conflicting guidance on how and what to do with respect to the employees who treat the patients that DID meet testing protocols and were determined to have the virus...
Mr. Fiesta
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He said there was a breach in protocol, they just don't know what it was.
The CDC has since apologized. They aren't sure how the nurse contracted the disease. She's been identified as a RN, a TCU graduate, a dog lover and a very caring person.
A well-educated health care worker, no doubt doing her best to follow protocol, is now infected. I pray for recovery of her health and her reputation. Count me among those who distrust dispassionate guys in suits telling me "trust us this time, everything is under control."
A well-educated health care worker, no doubt doing her best to follow protocol, is now infected. I pray for recovery of her health and her reputation. Count me among those who distrust dispassionate guys in suits telling me "trust us this time, everything is under control."
The CDC director chose his wording on Sunday very precisely. He either chose to point blame, or was told to do so by higher-ups, but the damage was done.
The CDC, along with a few others, needs to be COMPLETELY unbiased and apolitical. I believe it's a tough task to prove that there is no political agenda as the base of decisions made by the CDC.
The same goes with the discussion of changes in policy regarding borders and flights.
It's time we demand leadership NOW, and politics LATER. I'm sick of hearing "we should", instead of "we are" when it comes to action toward this pending epidemic.
The CDC, along with a few others, needs to be COMPLETELY unbiased and apolitical. I believe it's a tough task to prove that there is no political agenda as the base of decisions made by the CDC.
The same goes with the discussion of changes in policy regarding borders and flights.
It's time we demand leadership NOW, and politics LATER. I'm sick of hearing "we should", instead of "we are" when it comes to action toward this pending epidemic.
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