Ewers is not participating in Senior ceremonies…

[bishophorn]

Rarely have I ever been ashamed of being a Longhorn, but that horrible day in McLennan County when our "fans" turned on Tony Edwards, yelling profanities (that old stadium had seats almost on the bench) and racial slurs. None of us knew the real story of his "capture & arrest", which didn't come out until months later.

That destroyed the team, the season, and the young man's future career, all while he had done nothing wrong but wait on his friends when that pathetic excuse for a human being handcuffed a kid three times his size and beat him with a baton.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON!

That said, no, I shall not apologize to Simms.

I was sitting in the bailer student section of that game as a high school student in Waco at the time. I did hear the bailer taunts on Tony but did not realize our on fans were doing it. I just knew Tony had to be innocent at that time since I think he was discriminated against since he was from Kansas City.
That was definitely one of the saddest times in my memory. Seems like era just started a hell bound train for us until Mack righted the ship. Just like Sark has recused us from the two idiots after Mack.
I don’t ever want to go through a crazy dry spell period like that ever again!

 

[mmsnake]

Good points! Criticize the play, coach, whole ream but lay off the individual player. Old saying about Texas football is "the most popular player is the second-string quarterback". There are some pretty darn good young men beat up by old geezers who don't know **** about the position. Let Arch screw up a big game and he will catch it as well.

To all of the Quinn family, QE is a talented and fine young man, and we are lucky that he loves the Horns as much as we do.

Great point chinstrap.and 100 % agree. Lay off the individual player and true, most have never played the position and know little about it. Quinn gets beat up every week win or lose. Sad. I am proud of him and support him and the team fully. And as Sark said, we are a way better program now than we were the past decade.

 

[rick mueller]

Great point chinstrap.and 100 % agree. Lay off the individual player and true, most have never played the position and know little about it. Quinn gets beat up every week win or lose. Sad. I am proud of him and support him and the team fully. And as Sark said, we are a way better program now than we were the past decade.

And this is EXACTLY what Gundy was saying with his famous or infamous "I'm a man" comment. It earned him nothing but ridicule. He was defending his player and I respected him for it.

 

[mmsnake]

Regarding the Ark game… i was watching with someone who questioned his holding the ball on obvious deep routes.
I rewound the telecast, replayed the play(s) and asked a question in a tone one might observe in a congressional hearing..
Me- “who would you throw to?”
Answer “well, umm, uhhh”

Exactly NRHorn. Ark was playing 3 deep safeties a lot. How do you get someone open deep. With 3 deep safeties or even 2 deep you have to run the ball well and get the safeties to come up to generally get receivers open deep. We didn’t run the ball very well against ark.

 

[rick mueller]

Exactly NRHorn. Ark was playing 3 deep safeties a lot. How do you get someone open deep. With 3 deep safeties or even 2 deep you have to run the ball well and get the safeties to come up to generally get receivers open deep. We didn’t run the ball very well against ark.

Which in itself was concerning. We couldn't run effectively against 3 high safeties.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Me- “who would you throw to?”

Out of bounds!
Don't take a 3 to 5 yard loss with a sack.

 

[caryhorn]

Absolutely, but I think he already knows what those options are. Take a 4th-round grade and declare, or take a 4th-round grade and portal.

I don’t think there’s any way Ewers drops to the 4th round.
He’s a mid level 1st or high 2nd. If he finishes on a high note he goes into the top tier of the first round.

 

[NRHorn]

Out of bounds!
Don't take a 3 to 5 yard loss with a sack.

Actually- thats what I said,, but i felt my riveting story was getting complex, so i left it out.

 

[Gylcomer]

Which in itself was concerning. We couldn't run effectively against 3 high safeties.

As we all know, sometimes the safeties come up on run support to tackle a QB scrambling on the edges and the QB throws it over them right before crossing the line.

 

[dukesteer]

This is what disappointes me about college football fans.
I certainly can be reading more into this, but the reality of grown men ( and women) questioning the ability of a 21 year old amateur athlete , to the extent they feel unappreciated is absurd.
I care not about NIL, this sh$t has been going on since I was a child and I’m 62.
I met Quinns parents when he was a SO at Southlake and UT was his dream.

To be specific- adults who are often mediocre at best in their careers feel the need to judge a young man who is doing their best- regardless of the outcome.
Ive seen this on VY, Colt, Case, Sam, Gilbert, Simms and now Quinn.
Of course no one admits to hating on VY or Colt now.
Enough.
I assure you Arch is next

I don’t mean to be pejorative, but I don’t understand this take. If we as fans of the game of football are crossing a line by being judgmental about players and their performance, then boards like Hornfans and thousands of others should be eliminated. Of course, they won’t be. These boards exist so that opinions can be expressed. Some are excellent observations, and sure, others cross the line.

It is the passion of the fans that has made the game what it is today. It is the reason that those same kids who are being judged are now making millions of dollars. It’s also the reason that massive stadiums are built, and TV revenues are soaring. It’s like Sark has said, when you come to the University of Texas, you understand the expectations. He certainly did, and so do the recruits.

It is impossible for a recruit, going to a school like Texas or any other major program, not to understand that they will be under a microscope. No doubt, some of the judgments will be unfair. But again, it comes with the territory. And whether you’re a janitor or a CEO, and whether you’re good or terrible at your job, has no relevance with respect to your right as a college football fan to express your opinion.

I would agree that fans shouldn’t “attack” the player — the individual, but I also believe that they have every right to judge a player’s “performance,” good or bad. Again, it comes with the territory.

If the downside was to be exposed to the wrath of the fans if we didn’t perform to their expectations, would any of us on this board not have pounced at the opportunity to play football for the University of Texas? I doubt it. It’s like my best friend says, “I would give my left testicle to be in that position.”

My guess is that Quinn Ewers probably feels the same way.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not endorsing nasty and unfair personal attacks. But for fans to be judgmental and critical, well, that would seem to me to be a given.

 

[NRHorn]

I don’t mean to be pejorative, but I don’t understand this take. If we as fans of the game of football are crossing a line by being judgmental about players and their performance, then boards like Hornfans and thousands of others should be eliminated. Of course, they won’t be. These boards exist so that opinions can be expressed. Some are excellent observations, and sure, others cross the line.

It is the passion of the fans that has made the game what it is today. It is the reason that those same kids who are being judged are now making millions of dollars. It’s also the reason that massive stadiums are built, and TV revenues are soaring. It’s like Sark has said, when you come to the University of Texas, you understand the expectations. He certainly did, and so do the recruits.

It is impossible for a recruit, going to a school like Texas or any other major program, not to understand that they will be under a microscope. No doubt, some of the judgments will be unfair. But again, it comes with the territory. And whether you’re a janitor or a CEO, and whether you’re good or terrible at your job, has no relevance with respect to your right as a college football fan to express your opinion.

I would agree that fans shouldn’t “attack” the player — the individual, but I also believe that they have every right to judge a player’s “performance,” good or bad. Again, it comes with the territory.

If the downside was to be exposed to the wrath of the fans if we didn’t perform to their expectations, would any of us on this board not have pounced at the opportunity to play football for the University of Texas? I doubt it. It’s like my best friend says, “I would give my left testicle to be in that position.”

My guess is that Quinn Ewers probably feels the same way.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not endorsing nasty and unfair personal attacks. But for fans to be judgmental and critical, well, that would seem to me to be a given.

Duke
You may very well be right and I do see your points.
You did mention the issue I draw my conclusion from- that being the personal attacks that I frankly see very seldom here.
I have an opinion, that I agree is on the far side of not criticizing a player
and thats based upon my beliefs that they can only do what they can do and i doubt any person is harder on a qb than the qb himself.
When i saw the quote that Quinn hesitated when asked if he felt the fans appreciated him, set me off.
What a dumb question from that reporter.

 

[LHABSOB]

He does a really good weekly You Tube show with Bobby Burton on ….

On Texas Football.
But i have not seen him in awhile? Bob Shipley is a weekly guest with Babers.

I think we used to call him @Hpslugga.

 

[horninchicago]

I think we used to call him @Hpslugga.

He would say that you are obviously not a serious poster.

 

[FWHORN]

bsolutely, but I think he already knows what those options are. Take a 4th-round grade and declare, or take a 4th-round grade and portal.

YEP! Next year is Arch's time and frankly has to be.

That said, I wish Quinn was going through the ceremony, I will be there and would be yelling as loud as I could for him if he was. Let's not forget that Texas has exactly two 10 win seasons in the last decade and a half and with one more win tomorrow it will be three and Quinn will have been the starter for most of two of those. Quinn has helped lay a foundation for Texas football to get back to what it was in the 2000's and for that, we should all be grateful and all be cheering for him as loudly as we can.

 

[NRHorn]

He would say that you are obviously not a serious poster.
P

Thats a blast from the past.
It will always be a mystery to me why HPslugga went a hair short of psycho on me. I joked about Highland Park and his coaching career and how his weekly goal chart was based upon privileged high school kids. Nothing mean spirited.
I thought he said he coached there and apparently I was mistaken and that kid kept asking why i would say that he did. What did I know about foot… etc . After repeating my same response as ‘my bad.. i guess I misunderstood’, just kidding’ he berated me once more and then ..poof - like a beautiful little lightening bug he was gone forever.
So if you’re back under an assumed name again, bud I don't know what I
wrote that got you so mad.

 

[dukesteer]

Duke
You may very well be right and I do see your points.
You did mention the issue I draw my conclusion from- that being the personal attacks that I frankly see very seldom here.
I have an opinion, that I agree is on the far side of not criticizing a player
and thats based upon my beliefs that they can only do what they can do and i doubt any person is harder on a qb than the qb himself.
When i saw the quote that Quinn hesitated when asked if he felt the fans appreciated him, set me off.
What a dumb question from that reporter.

NR, thanks for your measured response. HornFans.com is truly an excellent and respectful forum. In that respect, I think we are unique.

Back to Quinn, I really like the young man, but there is a little doubt that he is struggling. He’s not the player we saw in either of the Alabama games, or at Michigan.

Sark has observed on many occasions that “quarterback is the most important position in all of sports.” I agree. That puts tremendous pressure on the position, and the player.

Many have said that we will only go as far as Quinn takes us this year. I hope that’s true if he returns to previous form. If he doesn’t, I hope it’s not true, and that Arch is given an opportunity to take the reins.

 

[dukesteer]

Thats a blast from the past.
It will always be a mystery to me why HPslugga went a hair short of psycho on me. I joked about Highland Park and his coaching career and how his weekly goal chart was based upon privileged high school kids. Nothing mean spirited.
I thought he said he coached there and apparently I was mistaken and that kid kept asking why i would say that he did. What did I know about foot… etc . After repeating my same response as ‘my bad.. i guess I misunderstood’, just kidding’ he berated me once more and then ..poof - like a beautiful little lightening bug he was gone forever.
So if you’re back under an assumed name again, bud I don't know what I
wrote that got you so mad.

He’s not the only mystery man… What about JoeFootball or before him, Jakaret (sp?).

 

[dukesteer]

Back on topic:

While Quinn has never been excellent with the long ball, he has really struggled since the injury. That leads me to believe that there are lingering effects, and that perhaps to minimize the pain or for some other reason, he has changed his delivery. That may be why he’s not stepping into throws. Simply, it may be that his mechanics have not recovered. If so, there is no doubt that Sark and Milwee are aware of it..

 

[guy4321]

Any other reasons?

Coach Guy here told Sark to play Quinn if he's healthy and it's not a blow out.

HF poster Guy > Irwin

 

[Horns11]

He's still a 2nd round pick.

Probably. It's not a strong year for QBs. Sanders and Ward will definitely get picked before him. It's a question of whether someone wants to gamble for a backup QB in the 2nd round. Everyone who was scoffing at the idea that Baker Mayfield and Derek Carr were comparable equivalents might need to start prepping all of those "if only QE had a good NFL coach" posts like people still simp for VY after all these years.

He’s got a minimum of 3 more games and possibly as many as 6 to show out. Here’s to hoping he does just that and proves the haters wrong.

He's had 30 games to prove the haters wrong already, and his footwork is what it is. He might be the best available NCAA QB in terms of getting those whip route passes out for short TDs, but I can find better examples for nearly every other metric, including some guys who probably won't even get drafted. He's a good college QB who can lead us to a national championship. That doesn't mean he'll be a great pro.

If Quinn's draft stock continues to plummet and does not declare, I don't believe Manning will just sit around one more year and hits the portal. IF that happens this would be a huge black eye for Sark the quarterback whisperer. If he can do it, Sark has to get Quinn more consistent and all will be on schedule.

Which is why QE would probably portal if he does not declare. He's gone as far as he can go with Sark, so a 1-year rental at a place like Ole Miss or wherever makes sense for his draft stock. It helped Gabriel for sure.

If QE comes back to Texas for the 2025 season, then we might as well usher in the Lacy era with a big party or something. I actually kind of like Bell better based on his HS footage. Hey... there's always the portal too!

 

[Chinstrap]

If you're talking about Loraine Rogers, she couldn't find Memorial Stadium from the Alumni Center. I'm not sure Frank & the Governor would be in the same room with her.

My sentiments, but remembered her being vocal about praising the decision. Never was a fan of hers?

 

[HornHuskerDad]

Sark has observed on many occasions that “quarterback is the most important position in all of sports.” I agree.

Good observation. Look at past examples - Vince, Joe Burrow, just to name a couple - that literally carried their teams to championships. IMO, the only other sports position that could potentially carry the same impact might be the pitcher in baseball.

 

[dukesteer]

He's had 30 games to prove the haters wrong already, and his footwork is what it is. He might be the best available NCAA QB in terms of getting those whip route passes out for short TDs, but I can find better examples for nearly every other metric, including some guys who probably won't even get drafted. He's a good college QB who can lead us to a national championship. That doesn't mean he'll be a great pro.

Well said.

 

[militaryhorn]

...pejorative...

 

[dukesteer]

Hey, “pejorative” was the result of my superior education, earned at that outstanding “football school,” The University of Texas!

Actually, it didn’t. In fact, I sucked at English. Probably scored about a 450 on my HS SAT.

Due to my being grammatically and linguistically challenged (and it’s pathetic because my mother was a wizard), given my inferiority complex, I made an effort starting 50 years or so ago to learn a few words. Pejorative was one of them. Upon reflection, “argumentative” would’ve been a better choice.

Here’s another good one: “Peregrinations.”

Back in perhaps 1972, a buddy of mine in Austin — who later became a child psychiatrist, so you know he was smart — wrote a song and used the word “peregrinations.” It was a beautiful song, and the word fit nicely. Of course, I had no idea what it meant.

 

[dukesteer]

Clarity on Quinn, from OTF. Start at the 13:20 mark for about 5 minutes…

 

[longhornlegend]

For my 2 cents he needs to go pro and next year is Archs team or we risk losing him as well. Dont think he would sit for another year here as this would just have a huge trickle down effect.

 

[caryhorn]

Exactly NRHorn. Ark was playing 3 deep safeties a lot. How do you get someone open deep. With 3 deep safeties or even 2 deep you have to run the ball well and get the safeties to come up to generally get receivers open deep. We didn’t run the ball very well against ark.

Yep. Our running game has performed a bit below my expectations. Again, this has been due to multiple reasons. Blocking assignments are occasionally blown, and occasionally our O line simply gets beat and/or misses blitzing backers who then blow up the play. Also, the # 1 # 2. RB’s are out.

 

[Horns11]

Yep. Our running game has performed a bit below my expectations. Again, this has been due to multiple reasons. Blocking assignments are occasionally blown, and occasionally our O line simply gets beat and/or misses blitzing backers who then blow up the play. Also, the # 1 # 2. RB’s are out.

Yes, however...

The implication from the post you were responding to was that when the Pigs were playing Cover-3, we had to loosen it up a bit with underneath stuff and the run. Fine in theory. Like subbing in a left-handed pinch hitter when the other team brings in a righty reliever. Playing the percentages.

But this was Arkansas we're talking about. They were #128 against the pass before they played us. It doesn't matter if they're playing Cover-3 if they're ****.

There are really just two explanations for this in my opinion:
1. Sark was toying around with ways to play against Arkansas because of the "hostile environment" factor, keeping it as manageable as possible with very low risk.
2. QE didn't perform to a level that showed he actually could take advantage of the piss-poor Ark secondary, so we continually dialed it back after the first Golden TD.

The OL didn't make matters much better, but I get the sense that our staff/team didn't even take a half-hearted glance at the Ole Miss game film. Just "let's get in to Fayetteville and get out with a W."

 

[X Misn Tx]

maybe he just knows he's not a senior?