"Embrace the hate!"

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Stop playing ignorant. Look at what I posted and deal with facts. **Mack was far more accomplished prior coming to Texas than Sarkisian**. If sark had any success whatsoever prior to coming here, you'd post it up. But you can't.

First, Mack had 14 years of coaching experience before coming to Texas and Sark had 6.

Sark took a dumpster fire program who won 12 games in its previous 5 seasons to 35 wins and 4 bowls in his 5 seasons. Except for his 9-4 season and holiday bowl win at USC while being a massive alcoholic that's all of his HC experience prior to Texas.

In comparison Mack took over a team who won 30 games in the 5 years before his arrival while in his first 5 years at UNC he only won 25 games. What? You don't even want to look at his ****** records at Tulane and Appy St.

Mack had 3 ten win seasons in his first 17 years so get off your high horse and stop comparing Sark to Mack because Mack wasn't some type of instant savant success. Early on he was a snake oil salesman who could talk anyone into anything and learned over time to be a good coach. You want to know why he only won 2 conference championships his entire 35 year and counting head coaching career? Because he could never win the ones that mattered until he did...twice and a natty with VY. But he did rack up a lot of nice wins over the years.

We all know that Sark took over a politically divided dumpster fire of a Texas program and had to clean that up first. Mack inherited a heisman winning running back who set the all time rushing record.

Facts.

 

[OrangeShogun]

Stop playing ignorant. Look at what I posted and deal with facts. **Mack was far more accomplished prior coming to Texas than Sarkisian**. If sark had any success whatsoever prior to coming here, you'd post it up. But you can't.

Mack accomplished these on his way to a NC.

Sarkisian has accomplished none of that. None. We go nowhere with sark. If the past 2 years of bad decisions on the sidelines won't convince you, nothing will

Far more accomplished? How many years was Mack a head coach before he won a championship of any kind? Post it up, let's see it. The reality is Mack was a consistent second fiddle to Bobby Bowden and then Bob Stoops. Do the words Holiday Bowl jog your memory at all? The reality is Mack won exactly zero championships of any kind...until he did. The same can/will be said of Sark, IF he wins.

 

[Run Pincher]

Far more accomplished? How many years was Mack a head coach before he won a championship of any kind? Post it up, let's see it. The reality is Mack was a consistent second fiddle to Bobby Bowden and then Bob Stoops. Do the words Holiday Bowl jog your memory at all? The reality is Mack won exactly zero championships of any kind...until he did. The same can/will be said of Sark, IF he wins.

Playing 2nd fiddle to one of the top 3 programs in the country at the time is a bad thing? Washington was not a historically deadbeat program like UNC was and no amount of coaching or $ would've made Tulane competitive.

Mack turned Texas around immediately and was winning 10 games/yr consistently. He had his problems too, but Sark is no where near the level of Mack. Mack started off at much lesser programs and accomplished more.

 

[mchammer]

Let’s see if Sark bears Bama. Mack never beat FSU or Bama while at UNC (1st time) or Texas.

 

[OrangeShogun]

Playing 2nd fiddle to one of the top 3 programs in the country at the time is a bad thing?

Yes, that's why it's called SECOND Fiddle.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Far more accomplished?

Yes. Far more accomplished. Go back and read my post again. 4x if you have to

Not one of you sark defenders have posted any accomplishments sark has hung up on the wall. Think about the reason why that is

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Let’s see if Sark bears Bama. Mack never beat FSU or Bama while at UNC (1st time) or Texas.

And if we beat bama... we're still going to under perform in the end. 5 losses last season with that talent? That's on coaching

 

[OrangeShogun]

Not one of you sark defenders have posted any accomplishments sark has hung up on the wall. Think about the reason why that is

They're posted right next to the list of Mack Brown championships for the first 20+ years of his Head Coaching career.
Look, I'm not going to trash Mack. I'm grateful for what he accomplished here. I'm saying, be consistent in the application of your metrics. If you applied the same metrics to Mack (prior to 2005) as you are with Sark, the empirical evidence would indicate Mack would never win a championship. Mack proved that to be wrong. Why can the same not hold true for Sark?

 

[Horn6721]

?? Confused
I thought the hate in Embrace the Hate was other programs hating us.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

They're posted right next to the list of Mack Brown championships for the first 20+ years of his Head Coaching career.
Look, I'm not going to trash Mack. I'm grateful for what he accomplished here. I'm saying, be consistent in the application of your metrics. If you applied the same metrics to Mack (prior to 2005) as you are with Sark, the empirical evidence would indicate Mack would never win a championship. Mack proved that to be wrong. Why can the same not hold true for Sark?

Still waiting for you to reference ONE season sark produced that would be acceptable here. Why haven't you done that (I know the answer)

By the time mack got here he had three 10 win seasons under his belt. This is the 2nd time I've had to point that out to you. It's called qualifications. 10 win seasons at non football universities is impressive .

 

[OrangeShogun]

Still waiting for you to reference ONE season sark produced that would be acceptable here. Why haven't you done that (I know the answer)

By the time mack got here he had three 10 win seasons under his belt. This is the 2nd time I've had to point that out to you. It's called qualifications. 10 win seasons at non football universities is impressive .

Yep, just like I'm waiting for you to reference ONE championship Mack delivered in his initial 20+ years as a Head Coach. Why haven't you done that? (I know the answer). Despite a long championshipless track record, you had hope in Mack, why not the same hope for Sark? No one wins a championship until they do.

 

[LonghornCatholic]

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Yes. Far more accomplished. Go back and read my post again. 4x if you have to

Not one of you sark defenders have posted any accomplishments sark has hung up on the wall. Think about the reason why that is

I guess my facts fell on blind eyes. I'm not arguing that Sark is a better coach, I'm arguing that you are making comparisons about the quality of a coach because another coach had 8 years more coaching experience thus more achievements. The facts show Sark had a better first 6 coaching years than Mack (because you are arguing pre Texas qualifications) and that Sark and Mack took over Texas programs in different states of health.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

I guess my facts fell on blind eyes. I'm not arguing that Sark is a better coach, I'm arguing that you are making comparisons about the quality of a coach because another coach had 8 years more coaching experience thus more achievements. The facts show Sark had a better first 6 coaching years than Mack (because you are arguing pre Texas qualifications) and that Sark and Mack took over Texas programs in different states of health.

Mack's first 2 programs as a HC were Tulane and Appalachian State

Sark's first 2 programs as HC were Washington and USC

You might not be able to see the difference. I do

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

No one wins a championship until they do.

Some never do. Allow me to introduce to you steve Sarkisian

 

[OrangeShogun]

Some never do. Allow me to introduce to you steve Sarkisian

So true. Not all coaches get the opportunity to have Vince Young lead their team.

 

[1sahorn]

Embrace the hate is what the program is engaging in. Remember?

I'm embracing reality

You are embracing your opinion & calling that "reality".

 

[cnb]

So apparently, the flags in DKR representing b12 teams were replaced with Texas State flags. Love it.

 

[EMJ426]

So apparently, the flags in DKR representing b12 teams were replaced with Texas State flags. Love it.

I didn’t notice this, but I went back to see the pictures I took of the band on the field and the Big XII flags were replaced there, too. Where the other team flags would be, there were alternating Orange and White University of Texas Flags.