Dumb Political Correctness

Joe Fan said:
This show jumped the shark pretty quick so I dont care that it was canceled. However, the Soros justification is just wrong. Soros did work with the real Nazis.

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As a thirteen year old?
 
Mr. Deez said:
Obviously there's no source, because he's not going to admit it, and he has control over what medical information comes out. There's no way for the public to verify it one way or the other, and of course anybody who questions it (and some have) is called a racist. I'm not sure I understand how or why there's a racial element to it, but to some there is. And of course, once that's raised, the issue is shut down as happens in most such discussions.

Anyway, here's why I don't buy it. First, when he was allegedly diagnosed, HIV/AIDS was a virtual death sentence for pretty much everybody (even if they had the money to buy the best drugs, which weren't very good at the time). People lived a few years while the virus was inactive, got sick, and were dead within months. Somehow, none of that happened to Magic.

Second, Magic's wife doesn't have it, even though the alleged diagnosis almost surely occured months or even years after he contracted the disease. Obviously nobody's going to have the balls (or tastelessness?) to push that issue, but I can't help but question how she managed to avoid it. If I had HIV, I guarantee you that Mrs. Deez would have it too.

I've heard some suggest that he might have used rubbers with is wife and avoided giving her the disease. Two problems with that. First, one of the reasons a man gets married is to not have to wear a rubber. How many guys have you heard say, "I can't wait to get married so I can start using rubbers?" Exactly. None, because no man has ever said that in the history of civilization, because they're unromantic and gross. Second, to accept that he has HIV and she doesn't, you virtually have to accept that he used rubbers with her but didn't use them with the hookers and strippers who supposedly infected him. Does anybody seriously buy that bizarro-world, backwards, ******** logic? Call me a racist, but I don't.
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I can jump on to this conspiracy theory, at least to some extent. I'm not sure why someone would claim to have HIV and not. But, you never know. Agree on the condoms. Unless they had migrated to a sexless marriage your logic is sound.
 
OUBubba said:
As a thirteen year old?
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He was a teen, although I dont rmbr the exact age.
He has openly admitted collaborating with the Nazis.
He identified jewish property to them to be confiscated
And he says he has zero remorse for it, even as an adult with plenty of time to reflect.
So, yeah, he is as close to a living Nazi as we have in the world today. Certainly closer than anyone today you guys call "Nazis"

 
Joe Fan said:
He was a teen, although I dont rmbr the exact age.
He has openly admitted collaborating with the Nazis.
He identified jewish property to them to be confiscated
And he says he has zero remorse for it, even as an adult with plenty of time to reflect.
So, yeah, he is as close to a living Nazi as we have in the world today. Certainly closer than anyone today you guys call "Nazis"

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Could you imagine how the press would treat him if he was a conservative?
 
OUBubba said:
I can jump on to this conspiracy theory, at least to some extent. I'm not sure why someone would claim to have HIV and not.
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That might seem crazy, but he has certainly reaped significant benefit from it. Obviously, he was rich and famous as an elite basketball player, but now he's a global megastar - far beyond basketball. Without HIV, he was a Larry Bird-level star. With it, he's a Michael Jordan or Michael Jackson-level star.

OUBubba said:
But, you never know. Agree on the condoms. Unless they had migrated to a sexless marriage your logic is sound.
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I considered that, but two things are worth noting. First, he married his current wife in 1991 - the same year he was diagnosed. That's pretty quick for a marriage to become sexless. Second, Magic's son was born in 1992, which means she was pregnant with his son when the announcement was made, so obviously there was unprotected sex between them. So he didn't give her the disease after several months of almost surely unprotected "newlywed sex?" Possible? Sure. HIV doesn't always transmit even with unprotected sex. Likely? No.
 
Joe Fan said:
He was a teen, although I dont rmbr the exact age.
He has openly admitted collaborating with the Nazis.
He identified jewish property to them to be confiscated
And he says he has zero remorse for it, even as an adult with plenty of time to reflect.
So, yeah, he is as close to a living Nazi as we have in the world today. Certainly closer than anyone today you guys call "Nazis"

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I watched that video and I interpret it as him having no remorse because he had no real choice if he was going to continue to blend in. Additionally, he was doing this with the man who was helping him blend in.

I did feel a little uneasy when he said he had no remorse. However, that said, he’s right in that he wasn’t benefitting from what he was doing and that whether he was involved or not the property was going to be taken. He was a teen going along with the guy helping him hide.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Obviously there's no source, because he's not going to admit it, and he has control over what medical information comes out. There's no way for the public to verify it one way or the other, and of course anybody who questions it (and some have) is called a racist. I'm not sure I understand how or why there's a racial element to it, but to some there is. And of course, once that's raised, the issue is shut down as happens in most such discussions.

Anyway, here's why I don't buy it. First, when he was allegedly diagnosed, HIV/AIDS was a virtual death sentence for pretty much everybody (even if they had the money to buy the best drugs, which weren't very good at the time). People lived a few years while the virus was inactive, got sick, and were dead within months. Somehow, none of that happened to Magic.

Second, Magic's wife doesn't have it, even though the alleged diagnosis almost surely occured months or even years after he contracted the disease. Obviously nobody's going to have the balls (or tastelessness?) to push that issue, but I can't help but question how she managed to avoid it. If I had HIV, I guarantee you that Mrs. Deez would have it too.

I've heard some suggest that he might have used rubbers with is wife and avoided giving her the disease. Two problems with that. First, one of the reasons a man gets married is to not have to wear a rubber. How many guys have you heard say, "I can't wait to get married so I can start using rubbers?" Exactly. None, because no man has ever said that in the history of civilization, because they're unromantic and gross. Second, to accept that he has HIV and she doesn't, you virtually have to accept that he used rubbers with her but didn't use them with the hookers and strippers who supposedly infected him. Does anybody seriously buy that bizarro-world, backwards, ******** logic? Call me a racist, but I don't.
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My wife believes as you do. So, know that there is at least one person out there who has your back
 
Mr. Deez said:
That might seem crazy, but he has certainly reaped significant benefit from it. Obviously, he was rich and famous as an elite basketball player, but now he's a global megastar - far beyond basketball. Without HIV, he was a Larry Bird-level star. With it, he's a Michael Jordan or Michael Jackson-level star.



I considered that, but two things are worth noting. First, he married his current wife in 1991 - the same year he was diagnosed. That's pretty quick for a marriage to become sexless. Second, Magic's son was born in 1992, which means she was pregnant with his son when the announcement was made, so obviously there was unprotected sex between them. So he didn't give her the disease after several months of almost surely unprotected "newlywed sex?" Possible? Sure. HIV doesn't always transmit even with unprotected sex. Likely? No.
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There are some people who have a mutated gene that prevents AIDS/HIV from spreading to them. Not saying this is the case for his wife, but a definite possibility.
 
I can see what y'all are saying but that seems like one hell of a big gamble on his part. I am wondering, if it is true that he never had HIV, if perhaps there was a mis-diagnosis that got the ball rolling and then, when the truth is discovered, he didn't want to get off the wave of publicity he was riding? Seems like that would still be really hard to keep under wraps all this time.
 
I think you have to take people at their word until proven otherwise on these things, but it does seem bizarre that his wife never contracted HIV.
 
Htown77 said:
I think you have to take people at their word until proven otherwise on these things, but it does seem bizarre that his wife never contracted HIV.
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I took him at his word for about ten years. My nutcase sister is actually the one who convinced me it was a scam. Frankly, Phil probably has the most innocent plausible explanation.
 
OUBubba said:
That hurts my brain.... :)
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It might, but it actually does make a lot of sense. False positives do happen from time to time, and knowing the immediate deifying of Magic that took place for contacting the disease, I can understand why he'd want to ride the HIV train as long as he could. After all, he was getting into his late 30s, so his basketball career was coming to a close.
 
Was HIV really a death sentence on Nov. 7, 1991? It seems to me that HIV fears had peaked and prescriptions concoctions were already available and would hit mainstream by the mid-90's. Given Magic's celebrity and money it's not a surprise that he might be on the lead end of those drugs.

Today, we now know that HIV is not a death sentence and hasn't been for at least 20 years if treated correctly.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Was HIV really a death sentence on Nov. 7, 1991? It seems to me that HIV fears had peaked and prescriptions concoctions were already available and would hit mainstream by the mid-90's. Given Magic's celebrity and money it's not a surprise that he might be on the lead end of those drugs.

Today, we now know that HIV is not a death sentence and hasn't been for at least 20 years if treated correctly.
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1991 was closer to 30 years ago than 20. We're getting old. In 1991, it was pretty much a death sentence. I think there was one HIV drug approved at the time, and it wasn't particularly good.
 
Mr. Deez said:
1991 was closer to 30 years ago than 20. We're getting old. In 1991, it was pretty much a death sentence. I think there was one HIV drug approved at the time, and it wasn't particularly good.
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I just realized how stale my memory was of that time period. Here is a decent timeline of HIV/Aids maintained by the government. Greg Louganis was the 2nd celebrity to come out as HIV positive in '95. He's 58yrs old today.
 
Joe Fan said:
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One of the expressions of free speech is outright racist. The other is respectful. I'm sure many of you in this circle were certainly fine with the Dixie Chicks paying a price through lost album sales, lost air time, etc. for their anti Bush expression. They paid a price for that speech. Some on the left griped. I pointed out that free speech can have consequences. Roseanne's free speech has consequences. That's a more apt comparison.
 
OUBubba said:
....the Dixie Chicks paying a price through lost album sales, lost air time, etc. for their anti Bush expression. .... That's a more apt comparison.
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Your analytical skills do not seem to be improving over time.
If the Dix Chix' label had dropped them over their Bush-hate, it would have been a better analogy. But they didnt. What happened with them was their fans dropped them (record/concert sales fell off). With Roseanne, it was her employer who dropped her. So it's not a good (or apt) analogy at all. And we will never how her ratings might have been affected by her tweeting.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I just realized how stale my memory was of that time period. Here is a decent timeline of HIV/Aids maintained by the government. Greg Louganis was the 2nd celebrity to come out as HIV positive in '95. He's 58yrs old today.
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But 4 years makes a big difference in this context. From the link, in 1995 (the year in which the most AIDS deaths occurred), "In June, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approves the first protease inhibitor. This ushers in a new era of highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART)." That's a big deal.
 
OUBubba said:
I'm sure many of you in this circle were certainly fine with the Dixie Chicks paying a price through lost album sales, lost air time, etc. for their anti Bush expression.
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I haven't seen really any conservative commentators defending Rosanne or saying she should have kept her job. Maybe I missed it. Every one who has brought this up has simply said that while Rosanne was fired within a few hours, Joy Reid still has a job after posting "homophobic" comments on her blog, denying it, claiming her account was hacked, then apologizing for the comments while saying she genuinely didn't remember ever writing them. And while no one I have read has defended Rosanne, a LOT of liberals came out and had Joy's back.

How many bigoted remarks has AL Sharpton made? He has a pretty good job, too. There's nothing a liberal can say that won't be denied, explained, or forgiven by the media. But since Rosanne likes Trump, she was done without hesitation. It'd be great if the media's scruples actually extended in both directions.
 
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