Did Obama Wiretap The Donald?

[Brad Austin]

MSM just asked Nunes if the intel reports he's seen (dozens) were political spying since Nunes stated they weren't connected to Russia investigation.

He basically said in part, "what I've seen really bothered me and I felt I had an obligation to brief the President". There was zero effort by Nunes to refute the accusation.

Reporter: Can we rule out Senior Obama officials were behind this?
Nunes: No we can not (firmly stated)

This dude saw something serious and urgent in those intel reports. Said he briefed speaker and went straight to WH to inform DT after.

He summed it up as legal, incidental communications (dealing with FISA warrants, etc) which resulted in intel reports on the indirect subjects involved (mentioned unmasking).

Looks like intel left smoking guns by creating and sharing intel reports specifically on the illegally unmasked subjects they used incidental collection cover to gain intel on.

Once again, everyone bashes DT over preposterous claims and he's miles ahead.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

MSM just asked Nunes if the intel reports he's seen (dozens) were political spying since Nunes stated they weren't connected to Russia investigation.

He basically said in part, "what I've seen really bothered me and I felt I had an obligation to brief the President". There was zero effort by Nunes to refute the accusation....

Someone(s) is going to jail over this

 

[Garmel]

Someone(s) is going to jail over this

I'll believe that when I see it. I hope you're right though.

 

[Brad Austin]

Same here, but what Nunes read contains clear evidence of crimes. The intel reports unmasked the names of U.S. citizens and were shared.

Finding and proving who did the unmasking is the difficult task, but it seems now there will be a serious investigation to find the culprits.

Several intel heads are due to testify in front of Nunes' committee very soon. With this new info they're about to have to go on record over this.

 

[Joe Fan]

.....Was Obama aware and behind all this? Hell yes, he was Prez then....

Did Obama ever admit that he weaponized the IRS and set them upon the Tea Party? No, he did not.

When Comey says, "I have seen no evidence that Obama ordered surveillance," how do we know how he is defining "evidence?"

If Obama called Lynch and said, "I want to surveill the Trump Campaign," would there be "evidence" of that? Almost certainly not.

If Obama called Comey and said, "I want to you tap Trump Tower," would there be "evidence" of that call? No.

Considering "surveillance" is what the IC does, how did they investigate Trump's purported "ties to Russia," without surveilling him?

Is lying, deception and secret operations part of the Intelligence Community's modus operandi? Of course.

Last, if the Intelligence Community can say, "Russia helped Trump because Putin hates Hillary," then we can say, "The Intelligence Community surveilled Trump because Obama hates Trump."

 

[Garmel]

Same here, but what Nunes read contains clear evidence of crimes.

There was no doubt to Hilary's crimes either and look what happened there. Sorry but I'm cynical about high level dems actually paying for their crimes.

 

[Joe Fan]

I'll believe that when I see it. I hope you're right though.

Thing is, there is a finite list of persons with access to this information. The possibilities are not infinite. So, it should be easy to quickly narrow that list down. Then you see who disseminated the classified info and to whom -- which is a felony (up to 10 years).

I always felt that Sandy Berger should have been sent to the pokey, and still do. But he never was. SO maybe you will be correct. We will see.

 

[Brad Austin]

There was no doubt to Hilary's crimes either and look what happened there. Sorry but I'm cynical about high level dems actually paying for their crimes.

Not arguing with you on that conclusion. However, in this case 'intent' of unmasking (felony) is without question. And the evidence is already in the hands of House Intel.

But yes, will the wordplay spin doctors at intel do their best to cover their backside and skirt justice...absolutely.

At least the public will now be aware crimes were committed involving monitoring of DT and team during and after campaign. The MSM spin of absurd claims is toast.

 

[Brad Austin]

Whole lotta teeth in this...

Nunes said, “So first I recently confirmed that on numerous occasions, the intelligence community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition. Details about U.S. persons associated with the incoming administration, details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting. Third, I have confirmed that additional names of Trump transition team members were unmasked. And fourth and finally I want to be clear, none of this surveillance was related to Russia or the investigation of Russian activities or of the Trump team.”

 

[Joe Fan]

This is the obfuscation Greenwald refers to \/

 

[Joe Fan]

Nunes says info was widely disseminated among Intel, that’s when it became “targeting Trump.”

So, does "Incidental Collection" + "Unmasking" + "Widely Disseminated" to IC = "tapping the wires" of Trump?

Nunes also stated he is "unsure if Director Comey FBI will comply" with request for additional information.
Holy cow.

 

[Joe Fan]

It appears we are close to being able to draw two conclusions --

(1) The Obama Admin was surveilling Trump's people (aka, tapping Trump's wires), and

(2) There is still ZERO evidence of any Trump/Russia wrongdoing.

 

[Brad Austin]

So, does "Incidental Collection" + "Unmasking" + "Widely Disseminated" to IC = "tapping the wires" of Trump?

It's classic Lib playbook of round robin covering the crime trail.

Same deal with Clinton Foundation...do favors for this group, they'll donate to another, then that group will donate to your group.

At least here there's a smoking gun of actual crimes.

 

[Joe Fan]

It's classic Lib playbook of round robin covering the crime trail......

Yesterday: There was no wiretapping

Today: Okay, but it wasn't incidental, .... incidental!
(on this word, I visualize George Costanza screaming "Shrinkage, shrinkage!")

Tomorrow: ____________

 

[Joe Fan]

Here is Nunes

 

[Joe Fan]

I think the earlier testimony was that there was no FISA request directly related to Trump or Trump Tower
So, it will be interesting to see, if this is correct, what it sought

 

[Garmel]

Did Nunes say this was legal?

 

[Joe Fan]

So I guess Nunes has his own separate source
Whistleblower?
Or is it Rogers just doing his job?

 

[Joe Fan]

Did Nunes say this was legal?

The collection was (so far as he's seen)
But the unmasking and dissemination is clearly illegal

 

[Joe Fan]

Oh, look who sits on the Congressional Intelligence "Gang of Eight" holding oversight over all Intelligence Agencies.
Isnt this nice
Maybe Nunes should get a security detail?

 

[Joe Fan]

And wait, there's more .........

 

[Garmel]

But the unmasking and dissemination is clearly illgeal

Could you elaborate on this?

 

[Joe Fan]

Could you elaborate on this?

Those are specific crimes

 

[Joe Fan]

This part is also interesting -- Friday should be interesting -- I pray Nunes lives that long

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Garmel]

Those are specific crimes

I'm asking what specifically do you mean by "unmasking" and "dissemination".

 

[Joe Fan]

I'm asking what specifically do you mean by "unmasking" and "dissemination".

They cannot legally wiretap a US citizen without a warrant (4th A)
But they can tap non-citizens overseas
Obviously, US citizens can easily get caught up in those taps because of the two-way (or more) nature of those communications
The NSA, by law, is supposed to redact (or "mask") the American's names/identities of the transcripts of those calls/communications.
Here, there appear to be multiple failures to mask the US persons' identities. One example of this is what happened to Mike Flynn. But it sounds like more are involved.

Further, all intercepts of this type are classified (there may be nuance to the exact classification, but broadly, all of it is classified).
Here, someone(s) released these transcripts (in what sounds like print outs of tapped communications). Released without prior, proper authorization. This is a felony.

For now, it sounds like the person(s) responsible are Obama holdovers. But we do not yet know for sure. From my perspective, it looks like they thought they could get away with it if they brought Trump down first, before the details of what they did came out. Which is what all this is about (I think). But they failed (I think of it as a failed soft coup). They took a big chance. And lost. And so now somebody (or somebodies) has to face the music for their crimes.

 

[Joe Fan]

Adding to the intrigue, Nunes served as an adviser on Trump's transition team.
So, it is quite possible that he just saw surveillance transcripts of himself.
This might explain his slight agitation

 

[Joe Fan]

Not a good look for Obama
(+ someone is going to jail)
Maybe this is why Obama escaped alone (no wife) to that clothing-optional island for a month?