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OUBubba said:
Agree 100%.

Just to be clear, you’re saying it’s NOT Biden’s fault with that statement.
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I don't know whose fault it is, but this retard told everyone that he would fix all the problems Trump supposedly created. It has gotten much worse from the prosperity, low inflation, and low unemployment we suffered with during the mean tweet administration.

So, can he/they fix it now, or not?

(I already know the answer. This dumb *** has had plenty of time to do something.)
 
Mr. Deez said:
Again, he didn't start the fire. He just poured gasoline on it with the COVID spending bill, which was unnecessary and tried to pour far more on it with BBB.
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He also said beforehand that his policies wouldn’t cause inflation.
 
mchammer said:
He also said beforehand that his policies wouldn’t cause inflation.
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He says stupid **** like that and gets away with it because too many Americans swallow whatever the incurious media feeds them, and most Americans don't have enough of a basic understanding of economics to call ******** on their own.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
He says stupid **** like that and gets away with it because too many Americans swallow whatever the incurious media feeds them, and most Americans don't have enough of a basic understanding of economics to call ******** on their own.
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Off the top of my head:
The federal deficit will be gone in 8 years.
I have a plan that’s much better than Obamacare and much cheaper.

This guy does it better. Top 40: Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises
No one holds the last guy to his words. Why are we starting now?
 
OUBubba said:
Off the top of my head:
The federal deficit will be gone in 8 years.
I have a plan that’s much better than Obamacare and much cheaper.

This guy does it better. Top 40: Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises
No one holds the last guy to his words. Why are we starting now?
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First time politician and wins the presidency. Fighting a constant uphill battle against Dems, the media, and RINOs. Did pretty damn good otherwise, and thank God he changed the complexion of the Supreme Court. Hillary would have destroyed the Republic with her nominees.

Biden has been a public servant for more than 40 years. So, again, why can't he figure things out? Answer: he never did anything in office except wield power in a rich state and through corruption. He was clueless on policy and legislation before the dementia.
 
Mr. Deez said:
To be fair, nobody really believed that.
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Yes, but it’s a defense against someone who may say that no one saw inflation coming. Biden was warned and not only did he ignore it, he said flatly it wouldn’t happen.
 
The ultimate root cause to all of this is the dumbassery of shutting down every major world economy to "keep people safe". As things started to collapse and people ran out of money, instead of just opening back up they printed mountains of cash.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
The ultimate root cause to all of this is the dumbassery of shutting down every major world economy to "keep people safe". As things started to collapse and people ran out of money, instead of just opening back up they printed mountains of cash.
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Yep. It was as if Trump finally decided he should play nice and appease the media. So, he keeps Fauci and Birx around instead of firing their sorry asses the minute the closure and lockdowns were recommended.

He had one of the best economies rolling, and he ruined it. He blew it.
 
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horninchicago said:
Yep. It was as if Treump finally decided he should play nice and appease the media. So, he keeps Fauci and Birx around instead of firing their sorry asses the minute the closure and lockdowns were recommended.

He had one of the best economies rolling, and he ruined it. He blew it.
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Retrospective judgements are easy. Prospective ones are much more uncertain.
 
iatrogenic said:
Retrospective judgements are easy. Prospective ones are much more uncertain.
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Agree. Considering that we didn't know anything about Covid at the beginning and considering what we were seeing in other parts of the world, I think lockdowns were pretty defensible. The problem is that they should have been over by May. By then, we knew who was really at serious risk and who wasn't. Instead of turning our governors and mayors into little dictators, we should have protected the elderly and let the rest of the country get back to work. We'd be much better off now had we done so.
 
horninchicago said:
Yep. It was as if Trump finally decided he should play nice and appease the media. So, he keeps Fauci and Birx around instead of firing their sorry asses the minute the closure and lockdowns were recommended.

He had one of the best economies rolling, and he ruined it. He blew it.
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He took over in the 129th month of a historic positive moving economy. He was actually making unsound decisions to try to keep it from taking a NATURAL downturn that would fall on him. The % of debt to GDP was a lot higher than Obama. His tax cuts that benefited the top tax brackets did not have the outcome that he said they would. It only added to the national debt.
 
OUBubba said:
He took over in the 129th month of a historic positive moving economy. He was actually making unsound decisions to try to keep it from taking a NATURAL downturn that would fall on him. The % of debt to GDP was a lot higher than Obama. His tax cuts that benefited the top tax brackets did not have the outcome that he said they would. It only added to the national debt.
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Show us the empirical evidence .
 
HornHuskerDad said:
Nailed it, hic! If Hillary had been elected, the SCOTUS would be dominated by Marxists by now, sending the Constitution straight down the tubes (and the country along with it).
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So they get a merrick garland appointed. Then RGB is replaced by a liberal judge. It’s 4-5 liberals then, right?

I think we are flushing away as we type.
 
horninchicago said:
Dunno...I was cursing him all along for agreeing to "flatten the curve" and shut down the economy.
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Correct hic. It was unjust to label some people "unessential" and shut down schools and businesses when no one understood the risk. Unknown risk is not justification to violate constitution rights. Maybe if it was understood what a disease would do you could make a case for violating rights. But in that case you wouldn't have to violate rights because people would voluntarily take precautions based on the evidence.

State and Federal Constitutions were violated in the response to covid. I don't agree with it but restrictions to assembly can be legal if there is due process. But even that sham justification was ignored.

Gov. Abbot just extended his covid emergency timeline another 30 days. He has continually extended it since 2020. All these politicians have shown themselves to be tyrants and arbitrary in their edicts. A truly free people wouldn't allow for this. Which only means we aren't free. We are slaves to whatever politicians' whims.

Now the whims are to reduce fertilizer usage which means to reduce food production which means some % of us starves to death.
 
Monahorns said:
Correct hic. It was unjust to label some people "unessential" and shut down schools and businesses when no one understood the risk. Unknown risk is not justification to violate constitution rights. Maybe if it was understood what a disease would do you could make a case for violating rights. But in that case you wouldn't have to violate rights because people would voluntarily take precautions based on the evidence.

State and Federal Constitutions were violated in the response to covid. I don't agree with it but restrictions to assembly can be legal if there is due process. But even that sham justification was ignored.

Gov. Abbot just extended his covid emergency timeline another 30 days. He has continually extended it since 2020. All these politicians have shown themselves to be tyrants and arbitrary in their edicts. A truly free people wouldn't allow for this. Which only means we aren't free. We are slaves to whatever politicians' whims.

Now the whims are to reduce fertilizer usage which means to reduce food production which means some % of us starves to death.
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Right. Big box stores were essential, not locally owned places. Beer and liquor distribution was essential. What a sham it all was.

I know someone, the daughter of a friend, who has autoimmune issues. She lambasted us for our stance that everything should be open. She says she had no choice but to go to work at her beer distribution company. Uh, yes she did. She could have just quit. But then, how could she be a hypocrite if she dis that?
 
Mona :hookem2:
There are lots of truths in your post.
This is one "Unkown risk is not justification to violate constitution rights".
 
Hahahaha, can’t be true right? After all who believes the NE Journal of Med.

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I am gobsmacked.
Just got an email from my niece with a pic of her2 yo after getting the vaccine. My niece is a Dukie from Mass General. Very bright and respected in the medical field.
She mentioned she was so glad the gov't such good research so she knew it was safe.
HOW can smart people ignore other Docs and their research
 
OUBubba said:
The unemployment rate is at a SIGNIFICANT low. Unemployment Rate by Year Since 1929 Compared to Inflation and GDP
Consumer spending is up slightly. There are positive signs compared to perceptions. We were due for a market correction and have been for some time. Trump took office on a 128 month streak of positives - the longest in history. Trump's people saw it coming and fought it off with deficit spending. I mean he was inheriting that economy and campaigned on "American Carnage" and promised to eliminate the national debt in 8 years - I guess he was planning on doing that in his second term. He was a charlatan.

The pandemic changed the economy on Trump and I don't blame him for anything that happened with the economy because of it. I just think it's laughable that we're gonna blame Biden for a global trend. Keep on keeping on, I guess.

Because I know you'll love it, here's a very good summary in wikipedia of the pre-pandemic Trump economy:

President Trump inherited an economy in January 2017 that was already at a record level on many key measures, such as the number of persons with jobs,[19] real median household income,[21] household net worth,[22] and stock market level. It also featured a low unemployment rate of 4.7%, very low inflation, and a moderate budget deficit.[23][3] While Trump referred to "American carnage" in his first inaugural address and announced an "America First" economic strategy,[24][25] overall the economy when he began was on solid ground in terms of major aggregate measures.[3][4] The Congressional Budget Office forecast in January 2017 that assuming the continuation of Obama policies (current law), real GDP growth would be 1.8% in 2017 and 2.3% in 2018, and unemployment would continue falling to 4.4% by 2018, as the economy reached full employment.[26]

A key part of Trump's economic strategy was to temporarily boost growth via tax cuts and additional spending,[2] with mixed success.[27] Comparing the 2014–2016 period (President Obama's last three years) with the 2017–2019 period (President Trump's first three years), actual results included several variables that continued their previous improvement trends, such as the unemployment rate, which had been falling since 2010 for all ethnic groups.[28] Some variables improved (e.g., real GDP growth and nominal wage growth) while others worsened (e.g., inflation and real wage growth).[6][27] Compared to the January 2017 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) ten-year forecast just prior to Trump's inauguration, the unemployment rate, job creation, and real GDP improved over the 2017–2019 period.[26]

Contributing to this economic performance were large annual budget deficits of $779 billion in 2018 and $984 billion in 2019, about 60% above the CBO 10-year forecast.[26] Sustained economic expansions have historically brought down deficits, indicating the high degree to which economic stimulus has helped growth under Trump.[2] CBO explained in January 2020 that budget deficits averaged 1.5% of GDP over the past 50 years when the economy was "relatively strong (as it is now)." However, the budget deficit was 4.6% GDP in fiscal year 2019 and was expected to average 4.8% GDP over the 2021–2030 period.[1][29] The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated in January 2020 that President Trump had signed $4.2 trillion of additional debt into law for the 2017–2026 decade, and $4.7 trillion for 2017–2029. This was on top of the $17.2 trillion debt held by the public and the $9.2 trillion already expected to be added to the debt excluding these proposals.[30]
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Trump falsely characterized the economy during his presidency as the best in American history over 250 times.[55][56]
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CNN Poll: 75% of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024 - CNNPolitics

75% of DEMOCRATS in a cnn poll want someone other than Joe to run in 2024
 
Horn6721 said:
I am gobsmacked.
Just got an email from my niece with a pic of her2 yo after getting the vaccine. My niece is a Dukie from Mass General. Very bright and respected in the medical field.
She mentioned she was so glad the gov't such good research so she knew it was safe.
HOW can smart people ignore other Docs and their research
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I think to a great extent, it's parental virtue signaling. By having their kids get vaccinated (which they often post to social media), it's telling others that they (at least superficially) "care" about their kids and believe in the "science." I'd never give this vaccine to my kid. Not effective enough, and the risk from the disease is far, far too minor to justify. Deez, Jr. got Covid two weeks ago. Extremely high fever (reached 106, but came down with tylenol) for about 2 days and some congestion, and then he was fine. You don't get an experimental vaccine for that.
 
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