Coronavirus

theiioftx said:
The response from government for masks and social distancing caused massive economic and social damage not to mention death and disease progression. The sooner (no pun intended) we all accept this, the more prepared we will be when China releases the next virus.
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Add to that. Social distancing and lockdowns were based on computer models. The computer models were based on an original model made up for a middle school science project for preventing the spread of cooties. The same assumptions went into the COVID models as the cootie model. Yes. It was that bad.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
They didn't have squat for an impact. Handwashing and social distancing certainly did. But face diapers with holes in their mesh hundreds to thousands of times larger than the size of a virus? Absolutely no help whatsoever.
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Yeah social distancing didn't do much either, or we would have seen states and countries that locked down harder have better results. They didn't.
 
OUBubba said:
I was on calls every week with the doc who was the head of the tulsa area data center for health surveillance. I've worked with him for about 15 years. He is VERY sharp. The positivity rate was always a little lower in areas that had mask mandates. He was the person who went to the various meetings to present the data. I agree it seemed to be a slight difference - ranging form 2% to 10% at times. However, cities large enough to have a mask mandate were typically more dense so it should skew the other way. It made a little bit of a difference.
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That's one comparison. But we have dozens if not hundreds of comparisons like that to include. They aren't consistent, which points to mask mandates not being a factor.
 
OUBubba said:
But the virus travels with the larger molecules. There are various examples you can go to google machine and see why they helped to some extent. Ironically, I am arguing with the infection control person today to try to get our internal mask guidelines adjusted.
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Except the doctors now say it is passed through aerosol not larger molecules like moisture. If renders all those assumptions moot, and explains better the data we have across the world.
 
Interesting interview I saw while channel surfing for Ukraine coverage involving four women with school age children and their response to the removal of mask mandates for school. One mother actually said her daughter was going to continue wearing her mask because she did not want to show her face. That got to me because I’m a firm believer the masks have done serious damage to some kids (my 10 year old grandson for one) and this response by a momma strengthens my conclusion.
 
Monahorns said:
I would be benevolent to the people. He he.
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All I would want is for you to benevolently allow me to decide if and when I wanted to strap on a face diaper. And the same for being vaccinated. And finally, I would want to have the mandatory death penalty instituted for any nanny state idiot who dared to lecture me on my choices.

Is that too much to ask, O Benevolent One?
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
All I would want is for you to benevolently allow me to decide if and when I wanted to strap on a face diaper. And the same for being vaccinated. And finally, I would want to have the mandatory death penalty instituted for any nanny state idiot who dared to lecture me on my choices.

Is that too much to ask, O Benevolent One?
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Remember it’s not about the virus, but needing to feel morally superior to others.
 
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Sangre Naranjada said:
All I would want is for you to benevolently allow me to decide if and when I wanted to strap on a face diaper. And the same for being vaccinated. And finally, I would want to have the mandatory death penalty instituted for any nanny state idiot who dared to lecture me on my choices.

Is that too much to ask, O Benevolent One?
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I think you would approve of my platform.
 
Hearing more stories like this:

My neighbor‘s mother in Minnesota was in skilled nursing. They said they could not provide care to her unless they had full PPE because she had not had a booster. Her brother agreed to let her have the booster. She was dead within 36 hours. Four other patients are in critical care after the booster
 
OUBubba said:
That seems excessively hurtful. Masks are imperfect but did have some impact. As did social distancing and handwashing. Omicron's quick burn moved us to an endemic phase.
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This is what moved the US into another phase, if you can't see and realize that, you're blind as a bat.

 
When the #1 investor and promotor of the vaccine is a tech guy who has preached the need for population control for many years you can bet that crap won't be going in my body. My wife caved to her company threats and got the J&J jab in December. Now she cant raise her right arm over her head because it hurts so much. I keep telling her she needs to go to the doc to have it checked out.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
This is what moved the US into another phase, if you can't see and realize that, you're blind as a bat.

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Omicron did this everywhere it went. It exploded and spread quickly but burned itself out just as quickly. The term my boss used when we were talking was "like it fell off the edge of a cliff". The positivity rate keeps dropping to the point that masks are not needed. That's good, right?

Ok. This is difficult to type...., but, @AC actually pointed out back on post #12457 that the Omicron variant may be a blessing as it might move us on past this thing. He followed that up with some much more on brand content. But, it appears that he was correct.
 
See the below points in red, made back on 9 Feb.

  • The Wuhan virus is no big issue.
  • It may be an issue, but we'll deal with it the way we always have, and masks don't work.
  • OK we lied about masks, but only so you rubes don't go and buy them all. Now you must wear them at all times.
  • It's racialist to call the Wuhan the Wuhan, and you only must call it by its scientific name. The fact that China is pushing the same line is pure co-incidence.
  • The coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China, couldn't possibly have come from the Coronavirus research lab in Wuhan, China, and to say otherwise is a wild conspiracy theory, which no less that Polifact called a Pants on Fire lie.
  • Shutdowns are the best and only way to combat the spread, and if you lose your business and life savings, the government will put you on welfare so you'll be OK. Meanwhile we don't lose our jobs, pensions, or a single retirement point.
  • Just Two Weeks to Slow the Spread!!!
  • 30 Days to Flatten the Curve!!!
  • There is a 10% outdoor transmission rate - wear your mask outside!
  • It's wrong and dangerous to protest against the shutdowns, you'll spread the virus and kill people.
  • It's OK to protest though for approved causes like the Burn Loot Movement - you won't spread the virus and it's very important to pack the streets and scream slogans at the top of your lungs.
  • But it's dangerous for churches to hold in-person ceremonies - you'll spread the virus.
  • OK maybe a bit more than 30 days to flatten the curve - like 16 months.
  • Actually, we were off a bit - there's only a 1% outdoor transmission rate, but on a log scale (which you rubes don't know anything about) it's not that big of a mistake.
  • It's not possible to create a vaccine by the end of the year, it'll take years, and President Trump's Operation Warp Speed is a joke.
  • The vaccine is is wonderful and all must take it, even those under 30 in good shape, and with a minuscule risk or virus effects.
  • You should still wear masks for ???? reasons.
  • This vaccine, developed in a year though we said that was impossible, and produced under emergency rules and with liability waivers to the manufactures, is perfectly safe.
  • OK maybe, maybe the coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China, might have come from the Coronavirus research lab in Wuhan, China, we'll see which way the wind blows politically before we say anything else.
  • You must wear masks on all airplanes, even if you're vaccinated, unless you're an elected Democrat running away from your duties, in which case we won't talk about it.
  • You should get the vaccine, so you don't have to wear a mask and can go back to normal.
  • You should get the vaccine, but wear a mask anyway, even though there's no real world data to show they do anything.
  • You should wear two masks.
  • Parents should wear masks at home with their kids (!), so that they don't spread the Wuhan to them, and also so they they can become emotionally disturbed from never seeing their parents faces.
  • People should not go to the Sturgis motorcycle rally - you'll spread the virus. Just let your business go bankrupt and the government will put you on welfare - meanwhile I, St. Dr. Fauci, hasn't lost a paycheck or a single retirement point.
  • We Experts!!! though will be quiet as a church mouse about hundreds of people flying in on private gets to celebrate King Barry's birthday. He's a prime Party Member in Good Standing, and the CDC says nothing about those people.
  • We are also silent about the possible impact of 250,000 people a month running across the border, all from countries with miniscule vaccination rates, with up to 40% of them actually having the Wuhan. We realize that these are replacement voters for Americans who are not always reliable in their voting choices, and so should be welcomed into the country with open arms and no virus testing.
  • Things like liberty are overrated, and should be discarded, as our St. said: "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus."
  • We should go back to masks and lockdowns - since they didn't work last time, they're bound to this time, via the law of averages!
  • We shall again be quiet as church mice about flying in 50-100 thousand Afghans, from a country with about zero vaccinations, and being packed together 800 in a plane. We will also not insist on any testing or quarantining of these people, as the ruling class has decided they are all wonderful angles.
  • However, if you, a US citizen, have not been vaccinated, you should not travel, not even to visit someone across town.
  • The government has no plans of mandating the vaccine.
  • All people, including children, must take the vaccine or be fired from their jobs. No better way to look after the health and safety of people than to deny them employment and income.
  • The government has no plans to require people to show their medical papers for basic life activities, that's a crazy internet conspiracy theory.
  • It's even more of a crazy internet conspiracy theory that your medical papers will need to be loaded up onto your phone for monitoring.
  • All persons in Democrat run areas must show their medical history before being allowed to enter public buildings. Even better if the data is uploaded to your phone.
  • It's crazy internet conspiracy theory to say that the government will later change the definition of "fully vaccinated" to include booster shots.
  • Only people who have had the most recent booster shot(s) will be considered full vaccinated.
  • If you get vaccinated, you will not spread the virus, so everyone must be vaccinated no matter what your risk factors, or what other health conditions you may have.
  • The vaccines don't actually stop you spreading the virus, but we always knew that, what they do do is is keep you from catching the virus.
  • The vaccines don't actually stop your from catching the virus, what they do do is keep you from getting a bad case.
  • While there is no impact on anyone else if a person doesn't get the vaccine, we still want these people fired from their jobs, denied entrance into public facilities, and generally treated as Jews during the rule of the National Socialists.
  • Actually cloth masks do nothing to stop the spread of a virus - we knew that all along but said they were so important to obtain control and compliance from the population. You must now obtain a N-95 or greater mask as the other ones are just dirty socks.
  • We must vaccine children, who have almost zero chance of dying from the Wuhan, and who die in higher numbers from the common flu, despite doing no long term testing on the effects of this vaccine on them.
  • We also must make children wear cotton fabric over their faces all day long, which gets infested with bacterial and other disease, restricts their breathing, and leads to unknown social and psychological problems. But for public schools. As the children of those in the Ruling Class are of course in private school, it will not apply to them.
  • Now that our political masters have gone underwater in poling on the Wuhan, suddenly we don't recommend counting Wuhan cases as a way of measuring how well the virus is being handled.
  • And now that our political masters have gone underwater in poling on the Wuhan, suddenly we realized that not everyone who died with the Wuhan may have died from it.
  • We will methodically re-count deaths listed as from the Wuhan and lower the overall death count - but only in states with a Democrat governor. Florida will still have those who died from a car crash counted as a Wuhan death if their blood comes back Wuhan positive. Death-Santis!
  • It is vitally important that everyone wear masks during football games in LA, unless you're the governor or the mayor of San Fran, in which case the virus knows how important these people are and won't dare infect them, or the dude with HIV they're shaking hands with.
  • Now that more Americans have died from the Wuhan under Biden than Trump, we'll never mention that ever again.
  • Now that our political masters are looking at an electoral wipeout in November, we do not recommend adults wear masks in public.
  • Now that our political masters are are looking at an electoral wipeout in November, we do not recommend forcing children to wear dirty face coverings all day long.
  • While we called DeSantis Death-Santis!!! last year, and said he was killing citizens in his state, we will now applaud Democrat governors who are doing the exact same things, though case and death counts are at similar levels to when Florida got rid of restrictions.
  • Now that it's time for the State of the Union address, and our pollical masters need to declare a great and wonderful victory over the Wuhan, two days before we will change the rules to allow and not require dirty fabric over the face in the House chamber, as the optics of declaring victory while the audience is masked up are as horrible as Depends' poll numbers.
Things you will soon hear:
  • We have always believed in local control of Wuhan measures, and the CDC never told anyone what to do, merely provided guidance by Science!
  • We have always been against lockdowns.
  • We have always known that masks did nothing.
  • We have always believed in keeping schools open.
  • We have always known that getting the Wuhan and surviving gives you more protection than a shot that needs a booster within 6 months - same as with any virus previously known to man.
  • We have never recommended mandatory vaccines for the Wuhan, nor firing anyone who hasn't gotten the shot.
  • We have always believed in medicines like Ivermectin, which is a known safe and effective drug with a billion usages, as therapeutics to relive Wuhan symptoms and increase survivability.
  • No matter how many times we're wrong, or have lied to you, you're a stupid Science Denier! if you don't listen to us now.
  • I AM THE SCIENCE!!
 
'Please take them off': DeSantis scolds students for wearing face masks

Why does he have to publicly bully people? I have zero respect for him and if he wins the Presidential nomination I'll vote Democrat for this display of arrogance alone. I don't care if he's correct. He's a bully. He doesn't know if these people are immunocompromised or not. He obviously couldn't care less. They're not hurting anyone. He's just emotionally unhinged. And if he wants to talk like that then I'd deny every single family member of his care from a doctor if they catch Covid.
 
bystander said:
'Please take them off': DeSantis scolds students for wearing face masks

Why does he have to publicly bully people? I have zero respect for him and if he wins the Presidential nomination I'll vote Democrat for this display of arrogance alone. I don't care if he's correct. He's a bully. He doesn't know if these people are immunocompromised or not. He obviously couldn't care less. They're not hurting anyone. He's just emotionally unhinged. And if he wants to talk like that then I'd deny every single family member of his care from a doctor if they catch Covid.
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MAGA gonna MAGA.
 
bystander said:
'Please take them off': DeSantis scolds students for wearing face masks

Why does he have to publicly bully people? I have zero respect for him and if he wins the Presidential nomination I'll vote Democrat for this display of arrogance alone. I don't care if he's correct. He's a bully. He doesn't know if these people are immunocompromised or not. He obviously couldn't care less. They're not hurting anyone. He's just emotionally unhinged. And if he wants to talk like that then I'd deny every single family member of his care from a doctor if they catch Covid.
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Rubbish post. You'd use the power of the State to deny a person medical care based on what a family member said in public? Truly Chinese in thought.

DeSantis, American's best governor, wanted students, of who have about zero percent chance of getting a bad case of the Wuhan, and for whom wearing a dirty sock over their face offers zero point zero benefit in not getting the Wuhan, to act like grown adults in public and show their faces.

It's past time for Americans to get over the irrational fear of the Wuhan and start acting like normal citizens.
 
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bystander said:
'Please take them off': DeSantis scolds students for wearing face masks

Why does he have to publicly bully people? I have zero respect for him and if he wins the Presidential nomination I'll vote Democrat for this display of arrogance alone. I don't care if he's correct. He's a bully. He doesn't know if these people are immunocompromised or not. He obviously couldn't care less. They're not hurting anyone. He's just emotionally unhinged. And if he wants to talk like that then I'd deny every single family member of his care from a doctor if they catch Covid.
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You call that bullying? Get a grip. He told them to quit with the theatre and it seemed a lot of the kids were happy to be able to take them off since their teachers probably had required it.

I guess you also missed the part where he said they could wear them if they wanted, despite the fact they do nothing.
 
mb227 said:
You call that bullying? Get a grip. He told them to quit with the theatre and it seemed a lot of the kids were happy to be able to take them off since their teachers probably had required it.

I guess you also missed the part where he said they could wear them if they wanted, despite the fact they do nothing.
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Maybe he hurt their little feelings and made them feel unsafe. Long past the time for grown-*** adults to act like ones, even if they are in college.
 
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