Coronavirus

Musburger1 said:
Japan drops vax rollout, goes to Ivermectin, ENDS COVID almost overnight

Bubba, this link below is for you. It appears most of the variants result from mutations occurring in vaccinated individuals. In other words, the vaccinations accelerate the diseases ability to adapt to the antibodies. Vaccinations are enhancing the disease development of new strains resilient to vaccination; not unlike the overuse of antibiotics.
The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 variant A.30 is heavily mutated and evades vaccine-induced antibodies with high efficiency | Cellular & Molecular Immunology
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God love you. :)

So we had the Olympics in Japan a few months ago. People from all over the world came there and have since left. And it is now news that COVID has stopped spreading?

This most current link on your de-wormer: Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize-Winning Wonder Drug - But Not for COVID-19 - UConn Today

A link within your link referring to Japan's successes: Vaccines, masks? Japan puzzling over sudden virus success

Spoiler alert, I find no reference to a medication called ivermectin.
So why the drop?

“It’s a tough question, and we have to consider the effect of the vaccinations progress, which is extremely big,” said Disease Control and Prevention Center Director Norio Ohmagari. “At the same time, people who gather in high-risk environments, such as crowded and less-ventilated places, may have been already infected and acquired natural immunity by now.”

Though some speculated that the drop in cases might be due to less testing, Tokyo metropolitan government data showed the positivity rate fell from 25% in late August to 1% in mid-October, while the number of tests fell by one-third. Masataka Inokuchi, the Tokyo Medical Association deputy chief, said falling positivity rates show infections have slowed.
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Also this - 70% fully vaccinated. :)

Many credit the vaccination campaign, especially among younger people, for bringing infections down. Nearly 70 percent of the population is fully vaccinated.

“Rapid and intensive vaccinations in Japan among those younger than 64 might have created a temporary condition similar to herd-immunity,” said Dr. Kazuhiro Tateda, a Toho University professor of virology.

Tateda noted that vaccination rates surged in July to September, just as the more infectious delta variant was spreading fast.
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Of the top 25 states ranked by deaths per million, 12 of them voted for Biden. People are cherry picking states for political purposes. Note the media only reports on the 13 states out of the top 25 that voted for Trump.
 
mchammer said:
Of the top 25 states ranked by deaths per million, 12 of them voted for Biden. People are cherry picking states for political purposes. Note the media only reports on the 13 states out of the top 25 that voted for Trump.
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population density surely plays a part. I'd argue that Vermont may unduly benefit from that when compared to Florida.
 
OUBubba said:
Here's a state that's 70% fully vaccinated:

Ivy League: Case Dashboard or Vermont - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins

Compared to SEC: Alabama - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins

Positivity in the past week:
2.51% < 21.76%.

Deaths: 356 in a population of 623k v. 15,424 in a population of 4.9 million. To make the % similar you'd have to have 1,963 dead Vermont residents. 550% more. But yeah, vaccines are a plot by the deep state. :idk:
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Alabama's obesity rate is 39%, Vermont's is 26%.
New Adult Obesity Maps
Alabama's diabetes rate is 15%, Vermont's is 8%
Diabetes in the United States - The State of Childhood Obesity

Vaccines are not the only contributing factor to covid mortality risk.
 
OUBubba said:
Deaths: 356 in a population of 623k v. 15,424 in a population of 4.9 million. To make the % similar you'd have to have 1,963 dead Vermont residents. 550% more. But yeah, vaccines are a plot by the deep state. :idk:
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I don't think people are against the existence of vaccines. It's the existence of vaccine mandates.

Your assumption is that it is moral and ethical to force people to do things. I don't assume that.
 
mchammer said:
Of the top 25 states ranked by deaths per million, 12 of them voted for Biden. People are cherry picking states for political purposes. Note the media only reports on the 13 states out of the top 25 that voted for Trump.
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There are many more tools to fight this now than Jan 20 when the virus emerged. Survivability is higher now because of vaccines and other treatments. If you want to compare the death rates of communities who had no proven treatments for the virus against those with many proven effective treatments then your statistic is a good measure. Not sure what you are measuring though. Wouldn't a better measure of their effectiveness in battling COVID be something after data was present on proven treatments?
 
horninchicago said:
Remember when it wasn't up to the general public to save hospitals from themselves? Get more damn beds if they need them.
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Oh there are plenty of beds in most places. The staffing was low to begin with and now they're firing all the unvaxxed causing them to have even less staff and more empty beds.
 
mb227 said:
Seems you only like to look at overall numbers and not the past month.

Guess looking at current numbers gets in the way of the fear-porn narratives though...
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You must have missed this part:
Positivity in the past week:
2.51% < 21.76%. One of those is Alabama, the other Vermont.
 
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess the obesity rates in Alabama are substantially greater than Vermont. Plus Vermont is largely rich, white elitists.
 
OUBubba said:
Here's a state that's 70% fully vaccinated:

Ivy League: Case Dashboard or Vermont - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins

Compared to SEC: Alabama - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins

Positivity in the past week:
2.51% < 21.76%.

Deaths: 356 in a population of 623k v. 15,424 in a population of 4.9 million. To make the % similar you'd have to have 1,963 dead Vermont residents. 550% more. But yeah, vaccines are a plot by the deep state. :idk:
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Oops 358 now. Guess they aren't doing enough.
 
That's the difference between me and some here. Yes, that is a factor. For sure. But, to say that masks and vaccines are not effective against those kind of numbers is ludicrous.
 
OUBubba said:
That's the difference between me and some here. Yes, that is a factor. For sure. But, to say that masks and vaccines are not effective against those kind of numbers is ludicrous.
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If you want to believe that you wearing a mask is why I remain free from the sniffles since all this nonsense started last year, despite my being in the office literally almost every day and ALSO taking more than a half-dozen trips to Las Vegas, all while maskless, then you keep wearing your mask.

In the meantime, I will continue enjoying life sans mask and also sans 'vaccine'...
 
Yet another day in Texas with reduced numbers...less than 3800 Statewide in beds for the sniffles. More than 8K vents available. Houston-area TSA sees fewer than 750 sucking up beds for the sniffles...
 
mb227 said:
If you want to believe that you wearing a mask is why I remain free from the sniffles since all this nonsense started last year, despite my being in the office literally almost every day and ALSO taking more than a half-dozen trips to Las Vegas, all while maskless, then you keep wearing your mask.

In the meantime, I will continue enjoying life sans mask and also sans 'vaccine'...
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I'm gonna believe that some of are curious about science and like to pick around our areas where we need to make an effort to validate our beliefs and curiosities. Some of us give two shits about what anyone else thinks or says and mirror/worship this guy.
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OUBubba said:
Obesity, Race/Ethnicity, and COVID-19 | Overweight & Obesity | CDC

Obesity and Mortality Among Patients Diagnosed With COVID-19: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

More Severe Obesity Leads to More Severe COVID-19 in Study

BMI 45+
61% increase risk of death.
33% increase risk of hospitalization

BMI 10-35:
8% increased risk of death
7% increased risk of hospitalization

Significant but not enough to explain the difference between Vermont and SEC.
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Not by itself, but there is no single magic bullet to explain regional differences. Obesity contributes to the difference though.
 
Fair to say before the media hype and fear mongering that a huge percentage of people running to get tested now would not have done so in years past.
 
OUBubba said:
I'm gonna believe that some of are curious about science and like to pick around our areas where we need to make an effort to validate our beliefs and curiosities. Some of us give two shits about what anyone else thinks or says and mirror/worship this guy.
chairman-and-president-of-the-trump-organization-donald-trump-yells-picture-id113257831
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He lives in your head...rent effing free. You and Husker show it on a regular basis.
 
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