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bystander said:
A Texas restaurant owner threw out a family wearing masks who were trying to protect their immunocompromised son

Between Abbott's throwing red meat to the right (gun rights/abortion) and people such as this owner, Beto is starting to look good to me at times. I can't stand this bravado and pretense of freedom. To humiliate people over wearing a mask is sick.
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Sangre Naranjada said:
Seems to me the family shouldn't be out to eat if they have an immunocompromised son. Cloth masks won't protect him.

EDIT - That is not to say the owner of the restaurant wasn't a dick about it.
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Legally, it should be the choice of the property owner, and that should be the end of it. If he wants you wearing a mask, then wear one. If he doesn't want you to wear one, then don't. If you disagree with him either way, your remedy is to leave. His property, his choice. Unless you're being held on the property against your will or unless it's a government building in a jurisdiction in which you pay taxes, you have no right to do anything.

Having said that, he's a total ******* whether the kid is immunocompromised or not. If someone affirmatively wants to wear a mask, nobody should care. It's not hurting anybody.
 
Again, the question remains unanswered as to whether those 30 are in the ICU WITH the 'rona or FROM the 'rona. There IS a difference...yet the medical media seems not to ever want to answer that question.
 
mb227 said:
Again, the question remains unanswered as to whether those 30 are in the ICU WITH the 'rona or FROM the 'rona. There IS a difference...yet the medical media seems not to ever want to answer that question.
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Can you differentiate for me? I'm an Okie so use small words.
 
OUBubba said:
Can you differentiate for me? I'm an Okie so use small words.
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C'mon man...you aren't THAT stupid, even by Okie standards.

Those charts are labeling the person in the ICU WITH the rona as a COVID ICU case even though they came in with some other emergent condition warranting ICU care, whether a heart attack, GSW striking a vital organ, or even just an MVA with severe trauma.

In each of those three instances of ICU care, vaccination status has precisely ZERO to do with the placement in the ICU. They were there for some OTHER reason and just happened to have tested positive for the 'rona...
 
mb227 said:
C'mon man...you aren't THAT stupid, even by Okie standards.

Those charts are labeling the person in the ICU WITH the rona as a COVID ICU case even though they came in with some other emergent condition warranting ICU care, whether a heart attack, GSW striking a vital organ, or even just an MVA with severe trauma.

In each of those three instances of ICU care, vaccination status has precisely ZERO to do with the placement in the ICU. They were there for some OTHER reason and just happened to have tested positive for the 'rona...
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I disagree. People get in ICU's for respiratory distress. That is how COVID attacks. I don't know the ICU capacity of Hillcrest. I know that not all patients in the ICU are there for COVID. These are just the patients who have COVID. And, 100% of those positive cases were unvaccinated. To say that any large % of them are in an ICU for some diagnosis and just "happen to have Covid" is disingenuous.
 
Trying to upload the project Veritas Covid 19 video(undercover). It’s already taken down off of Twitter, and telegram. I just have a 30 second clip but it won’t let me upload it. Multiple Federal employee nurses coming forward that the vaccine is “********”, their words.
 
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.15% of the vaccinated or 1/660 vaccinated people in Israel are reporting a vaccine accidental event. That is just since the spring!
 
OUBubba said:
I disagree. People get in ICU's for respiratory distress. That is how COVID attacks. I don't know the ICU capacity of Hillcrest. I know that not all patients in the ICU are there for COVID. These are just the patients who have COVID. And, 100% of those positive cases were unvaccinated. To say that any large % of them are in an ICU for some diagnosis and just "happen to have Covid" is disingenuous.
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If the number is insignificant, then WHY won't the medical groups release that sort of data. That they won't tells me it is NOT insignificant. ICU includes MORE than just persons in some manner of respiratory distress. I've KNOWN people who were in the ICU with those placements being LONG before the time of the sniffles.

There is a difference between being in ICU WITH 'rona and FROM 'rona. Those that choose to ignore that reality are the ones being disingenuous. I will never understand why so-called professionals are so opposed to answering simple questions if the answer might somehow undercut the narrative. There was a time where science necessarily implied questioning the status quo...
 
AC said:
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.15% of the vaccinated or 1/660 vaccinated people in Israel are reporting a vaccine accidental event. That is just since the spring!
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What's a "vaccine accidental event". Basically, how bad does it have to be to be classified as that?
 
I keep seeing these stats about how may unvaccinated are in the ICU. To any of you who know, if someone shows up at the hospital and says they're vaccinated do they accept that or do you have to remember to bring your card with you?

I'm going to make an assumption that they classify you as unvaccinated until you can prove you are which isn't likely to happen since they are in the hospital.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
I keep seeing these stats about how may unvaccinated are in the ICU. To any of you who know, if someone shows up at the hospital and says they're vaccinated do they accept that or do you have to remember to bring your card with you?

I'm going to make an assumption that they classify you as unvaccinated until you can prove you are which isn't likely to happen since they are in the hospital.
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They look it up in the system. In redneck Oklahoma we utilize a system that all systems can access on such things - OSIS.
 
mb227 said:
If the number is insignificant, then WHY won't the medical groups release that sort of data. That they won't tells me it is NOT insignificant. ICU includes MORE than just persons in some manner of respiratory distress. I've KNOWN people who were in the ICU with those placements being LONG before the time of the sniffles.

There is a difference between being in ICU WITH 'rona and FROM 'rona. Those that choose to ignore that reality are the ones being disingenuous. I will never understand why so-called professionals are so opposed to answering simple questions if the answer might somehow undercut the narrative. There was a time where science necessarily implied questioning the status quo...
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I know there are a number of things requiring ICU - stroke, MI, etc. With COVID the respiratory issues is what requires ICU space. This is like debating the fabric on the deck chairs of the Titanic. If people are in an ICU WITH COVID, I'll defer to horns11 as a clinician, however, they're not typically there with COVID being a secondary diagnosis unless they're ESRD or some other end of life ailment that trump's covid. This argument is lame and only serves to try to move goalposts.
 
OUBubba said:
They look it up in the system. In redneck Oklahoma we utilize a system that all systems can access on such things - OSIS.
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And what if the individual was not in the State when they got their shot(s)? Many States using the passports they won't call a passport don't seem to have the capacity to quickly confirm data from other States...

Which comes back to how they verify each and every person...
 
mb227 said:
And what if the individual was not in the State when they got their shot(s)? Many States using the passports they won't call a passport don't seem to have the capacity to quickly confirm data from other States...

Which comes back to how they verify each and every person...
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Well, I, along with most people that I know, either carry a vaccination card, have a picture of it on my phone, or my spouse would let them know on medical history that I'd been vaccinated. So, yeah, wax on, wax off.

 
OUBubba said:
Well, I, along with most people that I know, either carry a vaccination card, have a picture of it on my phone, or my spouse would let them know on medical history that I'd been vaccinated. So, yeah, wax on, wax off.
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So now we have medical staff wasting time going through a wallet and HOPING the phone is unlocked?

Advantage to living in a State that doesn't believe in this vaccine passport crap is not having to carry a piece of paper or leaving a phone unlocked. And of course, the other problem with relying on phones is that, where there is transport for MVA, the phone is not usually making the trip...and if there was transport from a home or office, the wallet/purse is ALSO not usually making the trip...
 
mb227 said:
So now we have medical staff wasting time going through a wallet and HOPING the phone is unlocked?

Advantage to living in a State that doesn't believe in this vaccine passport crap is not having to carry a piece of paper or leaving a phone unlocked. And of course, the other problem with relying on phones is that, where there is transport for MVA, the phone is not usually making the trip...and if there was transport from a home or office, the wallet/purse is ALSO not usually making the trip...
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Medical staff go through any number of things trying to identify if someone has some condition that they need to know about prior to treatment. Oklahoma has no "vaccine passport" and is as Trumpy as any state out there plus we're goat *******. You're debating zebras in lieu of horses. Jeez.

 
Garmel said:
What's a "vaccine accidental event". Basically, how bad does it have to be to be classified as that?
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Vaers is vaccine adverse event reporting system.
It is being very under reported, 1% to 10%. The Veritas project video is riveting. Anyone know how to download a 300 MB video on here. I tried and couldn’t get it to load. Basically, vaccine deaths could be 700 per day or even 7K per day. The reporting is not happening! That’s what the video is about. Globalists are really evil.
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
I keep seeing these stats about how may unvaccinated are in the ICU. To any of you who know, if someone shows up at the hospital and says they're vaccinated do they accept that or do you have to remember to bring your card with you?

I'm going to make an assumption that they classify you as unvaccinated until you can prove you are which isn't likely to happen since they are in the hospital.
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I don’t use a vaccine passport so IDK about that. However, Vaers report only counts you as vaccinated 2 weeks after the second shot. 80% of adverse events happen in the first two weeks. So again the reporting is NOT effective.
 
AC said:
Vaers is vaccine adverse event reporting system.
It is being very under reported, 1% to 10%. The Veritas project video is riveting. Anyone know how to download a 300 MB video on here. I tried and couldn’t get it to load. Basically, vaccine deaths could be 700 per day or even 7K per day. The reporting is not happening! That’s what the video is about. Globalists are really evil.
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That's a load of codemonkey. We vaccinated around 20,000 and had nothing rise to the level of being reportable. The one that we thought would be turned out to be someone trying to get out of work. They're being funky with the data. Put a longhorn hat on a few million nursing home residents and being a longhorn fan will become a statistical predictor of bad health outcomes.
 
bystander said:
I would ask, If BUT FOR the COVID, would they have died or be in ICU?"
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Under the it's not big deal because they are suffering with Covid rather than from Covid, AIDS/HIV would have been no big deal too. Those victims died of Pneumonia and other diseases with HIV not from HIV.

Either way, many people would be alive today if they didn't contract HIV just like they'd be alive if they didn't catch Covid-19. We KNOW how to treat Respiratory diseases. Unfortunately, we are less adept at treating this respiratory disease. Yes, there are contributing factors like age, weight, and others but they are still dying because they caught a virus.
 
I watched the first few minutes of this. This doc is talking about a CHEF patient being a victim of this vaccine. That's a load of crap. The only way to cure CHEF is to invent a time machine and go back 30 years and encourage better decisions. Once you're diagnosed with CHEF you will eventually die of related symptoms.
 
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