Coronavirus

[nashhorn]

Thanks for feedback Bubba but I respectfully disagree on the degree of immunity offered of contacting vs vaccine. My understanding is plasma from a recovered patient is of value, not so from a vaccinated. If this is true it makes the case for me.

 

[horninchicago]

Flatten the curve...that will work.
Close non-essential businesses...that will work.
Require masks...that will work.
Social distance...that will work.
Get vaccinated...that will work.

Is any of this working? What a bunch of ******** and anyone falling for it...well...

 

[OUBubba]

Thanks for feedback Bubba but I respectfully disagree on the degree of immunity offered of contacting vs vaccine. My understanding is plasma from a recovered patient is of value, not so from a vaccinated. If this is true it makes the case for me.

That was an “opinion” utilizing about 10,000 data points regarding laboratory measured antibody strength. Disagreeing with it is akin to disagreeing with the weatherman reporting the high temps for the last month.

I think we are talking apples and pears. Plasma from positive patients IS useful in TREATMENT of Covid. I gave blood and plasma after having Covid so it could be used for treatment. That’s not related to antibody strength or vaccines.

 

[Crockett]

In addition to the below, Gov Abbott asked hospitals to defer all non-emergency medical procedures to free up space for Covid patients. His attempts to inhibit mask mandates are dumb.



Get your vaccinations.

If you want the GOP nomination for governor it wouldn't be smart to act smart.

 

[theiioftx]

Or to limit freedom.

 

[4th_floor]

If you want the GOP nomination for governor it wouldn't be smart to act smart.

So you, oububba, and the ignored people are the smart ones?

 

[Mr. Deez]

If you want the GOP nomination for governor it wouldn't be smart to act smart.

We made Rick Perry the governor for 14 friggin years.

 

[Seattle Husker]

We made Rick Perry the governor for 14 friggin years.

I think that's confirmation of @Crockett 's statement but I can't tell.

 

[nashhorn]

That’s not related to antibody strength or vaccines.

You’re joking here right? What do you think they want the plasma for, the vitamins? Sorry bubba, couldn’t help myself. Of course it’s related to the antibody priperties.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I think that's confirmation of @Crockett 's statement but I can't tell.

Yes. Remember that for several years, this was the signature on my posts.

 

[bystander]

We made Rick Perry the governor for 14 friggin years.

Perry and Abbott somehow tap into the myth that is being a Texan.

Frankly, I don't care for it. I've lived in Texas since 1970 and it never took. I'm immune to it and laugh at the entire self-image they project.

But apparently there are millions of Texans who live for it.

"Don't mess with Texas."

 

[Clean]

As soon as a local federal judge issued a temporary injunction against Abbott's anti-masking law, San Antonio's Lefty despotic rulers, Mayor Ron Nirenberg and County Judge Nelson Wolff, wasted no time getting back on TV, taking over half the local news cast, to announce their plan to save us from Covid again: All school children have to wear masks. They have to quarantine under certain conditions, etc. etc. etc. I think we're headed for another dark, lonely winter here in SA.

 

[4th_floor]

We made Rick Perry the governor for 14 friggin years.

I thought Perry did a decent job for the most part. I didn't like his expansion of the business tax and his lack of leadership on the border in general. However, he was pretty decent overall. What about his policies did you dislike?

 

[Mr. Deez]

I thought Perry did a decent job for the most part. I didn't like his expansion of the business tax and his lack of leadership on the border in general. However, he was pretty decent overall. What about his policies did you dislike?

1. He was awful on higher education if you're conservative - let the regents set tuition rates without any accountability or limitation, supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens, resisted getting rid of affirmative action.

2. Yes, expanded the business tax but was also willing to create a payroll tax, which would have been a hidden income tax. (Fortunately the legislature killed that with a little help from yours truly. You're welcome.)

3. He was a big advocate for toll roads. By itself, that isn't a problem if the arrangement is ethical - meaning that the tolls are restricted to only paying for the road and its maintenance. Instead, Perry whored it out to private companies that were supportive of him who me get to sodomize drivers as hard as they want despite the government assuming much of the risk. It's a pure rent seeking opportunity for them.

4. He ended Bush's private push to keep hate crimes legislation off his desk. Instead, he publicly called for it.

5. He doled out taxpayer money to his friends through the Texas Enterprise Fund, which he viewed as his personal slush fund.

6. He pushed for the creation of a state agency (Texas Residential Construction Commission) whose sole job was to protect his biggest donor from getting sued when he cheated homebuyers. He already got preferential treatment in the civil justice system from a 1989 law. Perry made it even more preferential and created an agency to actively screw with homebuyers. It was eventually sunsetted when its actions and uselessness were made obvious.

The common theme here is poor ethics. Perry was the King of Sleaze. If you scratched his back, he'd lick your balls.

 

[Monahorns]

States ranked by percentage of population fully vaccinated: Aug. 10

Vermont, Mass, Maine, Conn, Rhode Island
v.
Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Louisiana, Arkansas

Now you're gonna say, "but Bubba, quit bubba-ing, there's a population density variable that's missing"

List of U.S. states by population density - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Average ranking of 15.6 v. 33. The vaccinated states average 15.6 and the bottom 5 rank an average of 33.

Vaccinations is too easy, huh.

The issue is that COVID has different seasons in those two regions. There are distinct regions in the US that have specific COVID seasons as demonstrated over the last 18 months. The current summer wave hit the South a couple of weeks later than 2020, but same general timeframe. Once it cools off in the North they will get hit like they did in 2020. At that point no one will be talking about how evil and stupid the northerners are. Only southerners are backwards and stupid. I for one don't agree. Any southerners who accepts the stereotype, maybe fits the stereotype.

 

[Monahorns]

"Protects" does not mean 100%. It limits risk. That's it.

Not according to the hundreds of graphs I have seen comparing states, comparing counties, comparing cities in regions that have different NPI timelines. The curves all follow the same path in height and timing within basic geographic region regardless of the NPIs, including N95 masks. Several German states have required N95s. The areas right next to them that didn't are doing slightly better or exactly the same.

Masks are worthless as shown by real world data.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The issue is that COVID has different seasons in those two regions. There are distinct regions in the US that have specific COVID seasons as demonstrated over the last 18 months. The current summer wave hit the South a couple of weeks later than 2020, but same general timeframe. Once it cools off in the North they will get hit like they did in 2020. At that point no one will be talking about how evil and stupid the northerners are. Only southerners are backwards and stupid. I for one don't agree. Any southerners who accepts the stereotype, maybe fits the stereotype.

Can you help explain the seasons logic? Why would the South be more impacted when it's hottest and the North be impacted when coldest?

 

[4th_floor]

1. He was awful on higher education if you're conservative - let the regents set tuition rates without any accountability or limitation, supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens, resisted getting rid of affirmative action.

2. Yes, expanded the business tax but was also willing to create a payroll tax, which would have been a hidden income tax. (Fortunately the legislature killed that with a little help from yours truly. You're welcome.)

3. He was a big advocate for toll roads. By itself, that isn't a problem if the arrangement is ethical - meaning that the tolls are restricted to only paying for the road and its maintenance. Instead, Perry whored it out to private companies that were supportive of him who me get to sodomize drivers as hard as they want despite the government assuming much of the risk. It's a pure rent seeking opportunity for them.

4. He ended Bush's private push to keep hate crimes legislation off his desk. Instead, he publicly called for it.

5. He doled out taxpayer money to his friends through the Texas Enterprise Fund, which he viewed as his personal slush fund.

6. He pushed for the creation of a state agency (Texas Residential Construction Commission) whose sole job was to protect his biggest donor from getting sued when he cheated homebuyers. He already got preferential treatment in the civil justice system from a 1989 law. Perry made it even more preferential and created an agency to actively screw with homebuyers. It was eventually sunsetted when its actions and uselessness were made obvious.

The common theme here is poor ethics. Perry was the King of Sleaze. If you scratched his back, he'd lick your balls.

That's a legit answer. Most critics of Perry are liberals who can't come up with anything. Of course the media was very critical of Perry and most liberals parrot those criticisms. But you have a real argument against Perry.

 

[Mr. Deez]

That's a legit answer. Most critics of Perry are liberals who can't come up with anything. Of course the media was very critical of Perry and most liberals parrot those criticisms. But you have a real argument against Perry.

A good friend of mine who used be an editor for the Lone Star Report described things well back in 2006. He said that most of the bad things that Carole Keeton McClellan Rylander "Foghorn Leghorn" Strayhorn, Chris Bell, and Kinky Friedman said about Perry were true. The problem is that virtually all of the good things they said about themselves were false.

 

[horninchicago]

Will the RINOs in the Senate allow a LAW requiring a vaccine against this stupid *** virus to actually be passed? I mean, do we not see this as a problem?

Certainly even those with stupid *** liberal ideals must see that as a ******** move, right?

 

[Seattle Husker]

Will the RINOs in the Senate allow a LAW requiring a vaccine against this stupid *** virus to actually be passed? I mean, do we not see this as a problem?

Certainly even those with stupid *** liberal ideals must see that as a ******** move, right?

Has the US Congress submitted legislation requiring Covid vaccination? I hadn't heard that.

My preference is to protect corporations and public services who require the vaccine. If you want to work at company XXX, get vaccinated. If you want to live in the dorms and attend in-person class at college XXX, get vaccinated. We already have rules in place for many other vaccinations to attend public school, to join the military etc.

This comes to mind:

 

[OUBubba]

You’re joking here right? What do you think they want the plasma for, the vitamins? Sorry bubba, couldn’t help myself. Of course it’s related to the antibody priperties.

Maybe @Horns11 needs to chime in here. The only research I find on the quick/dirty level where they're using vaccinated patients are studies where the patients are vaccinated s/p a covid infection. The titre level of those patients is the strongest of any. That said, the research says that convalescent plasma is not very effective treatment anyway so that's maybe why the searching is less than fruitful. Also, the use of convalescent plasma pre-dated vaccine availability. So, that could have something to do with it.

 

[OUBubba]

Tennessee loving on medical professionals!

 

[Seattle Husker]

Tennessee loving on medical professionals!

Those parents are nuts. I get showing up to the school board meeting to make your voice heard. Making this personal like "we will find you" is waaayyyyy over the line.

 

[Monahorns]

Can you help explain the seasons logic? Why would the South be more impacted when it's hottest and the North be impacted when coldest?

Look I have seen graphs of I think 3 or 4 different regions, showing case curves over the last 18 months.

Every region has case peak some time during the cold months, starting earlier in the Midwest and North. Then the Southern regions follow. Remember late 2020, early 2021?

In the summer, there are only case peaks in warmer regions. That is an empirical fact. Assigning a reason at this point is speculation. But reasonable speculation is that people stay in doors more when it is hot outside. It could be something else, but that is the main factor mentioned.

The same basic seasonality was shown for SARS-COV-1 too, which gives us more confidence this a real thing.

 

[OUBubba]

Look I have seen graphs of I think 3 or 4 different regions, showing case curves over the last 18 months.

Every region has case peak some time during the cold months, starting earlier in the Midwest and North. Then the Southern regions follow. Remember late 2020, early 2021?

In the summer, there are only case peaks in warmer regions. That is an empirical fact. Assigning a reason at this point is speculation. But reasonable speculation is that people stay in doors more when it is hot outside. It could be something else, but that is the main factor mentioned.

The same basic seasonality was shown for SARS-COV-1 too, which gives us more confidence this a real thing.

Possibly an influx of people and their diseases to the beaches, restaurants, etc. as well. Florida, Alabama, Louisiana are destinations.

 

[theiioftx]

Those parents are nuts. I get showing up to the school board meeting to make your voice heard. Making this personal like "we will find you" is waaayyyyy over the line.

That is nuts. I lived in Franklin for several years when I first moved to Tennessee. I love it there and plan to move back soon. Unfortunately, this is what our country has become due to woke cancel culture. It is now going to work both ways.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Look I have seen graphs of I think 3 or 4 different regions, showing case curves over the last 18 months.

Every region has case peak some time during the cold months, starting earlier in the Midwest and North. Then the Southern regions follow. Remember late 2020, early 2021?

In the summer, there are only case peaks in warmer regions. That is an empirical fact. Assigning a reason at this point is speculation. But reasonable speculation is that people stay in doors more when it is hot outside. It could be something else, but that is the main factor mentioned.

The same basic seasonality was shown for SARS-COV-1 too, which gives us more confidence this a real thing.

Thanks for the rational explanation. When I thought seasons I thought "weather" and didn't realize that people actually rushed indoors when it gets hot in Florida. Never being there I just assumed they ran to the beach. "Crowds" I can agree with as we know that increases risk of contraction thus the 6-feet and other various restrictions that were attempted during the pandemic.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Citizens in Brevard County, FL have been asked to limit their calls to 911 due to the lack of ICU beds.

Officials from a Florida county fire department are asking residents who may have less urgent medical needs to consider possible alternatives to calling 911 in light of high intensive care unit bed use.

Orlando Dominguez, the assistant chief of emergency medical services operations for Brevard County Fire Rescue, told NBC News during an interview on Wednesday that the fire department will never deny someone services if they call for emergency services.

However, at the same time he stressed that some hospitals have run out of room to accommodate those going to the emergency department and suggested that those who do not need urgent emergency services find alternative means before heading to the hospital.

“We're also conveying to the public that if you've fallen and might have hurt your knee or you have a cough, things like that, that are not emergent or urgent, they should follow up with their primary care physician or go into a walk-in clinic,” Dominguez told the news outlet.

NBC News reported that as of the middle of Wednesday, 81 percent of adult ICU beds in Brevard County were filled. Dominguez suggested the current data was not showing the full extent of the problem, saying that hospitals were at overcapacity.

 

[Monahorns]

Thanks for the rational explanation. When I thought seasons I thought "weather" and didn't realize that people actually rushed indoors when it gets hot in Florida. Never being there I just assumed they ran to the beach. "Crowds" I can agree with as we know that increases risk of contraction thus the 6-feet and other various restrictions that were attempted during the pandemic.

To Bubba's comment, possibly. But the summer peaks have occurred throughout the South, not just tourist areas. San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston are all in the middle of peaks, are Democrat Party voter stronghold, and a suffering the same as elsewhere. Those are particularly summer vacation hotspots. Beach areas are probably safe comparably.

Who knows thought right? The issue is that the data shows this exists for corona viruses generally, at least SARS-1 and SARS-2, and now Delta variant.