Coronavirus

Monahorns said:
Bubba



You tweet shows 1 data point at 1 point in time. The contextual data looks like the FL curve is ahead of CA. It may not turn out this way, but in about a month I expect the numbers to be reversed as CA is going up and FL is coming back down. These are 2 different regions of the world. The seasons are different and the exact timing of seasons are different.
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COVID Data Tracker
 
Who cares? Again, how many people are really sick from this stupid virus? Why are we still talking about it?

Fear for votes and money to the vaccine makers. Think politicians aren't profiting somehow?
 
Monahorns said:
It's really funny and sad that the people throwing up these numbers show that they have no idea how to understand data. I wouldn't trust these people to work on my team. We have to gather, sift, and analyze data to get to objective truth and then make decisions to solve problems.
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Just remember. To many of these people, Andrew Cuomo was the best governor in the country when it came to Covid management. We now know he was likely the worst by almost any serious measure. (In fact, anybody who looked at the numbers could see it back then.)
 
Monahorns said:
Only when you follow the NYT's faulty logic.
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Huh? Maybe you didn't read the NYT link. The Morning: More Covid mysteries

Here's what I found interesting and it actually falls more in line with people on the right or in the middle.

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  • In India — where the Delta variant was first identified and caused a huge outbreak — cases have plunged over the past two months. A similar drop may now be underway in Britain. There is no clear explanation for these declines.
  • In the U.S., cases started falling rapidly in early January. The decline began before vaccination was widespread and did not follow any evident changes in Americans’ Covid attitudes.
  • In March and April, the Alpha variant helped cause a sharp rise in cases in the upper Midwest and Canada. That outbreak seemed poised to spread to the rest of North America — but did not.
  • This spring, caseloads were not consistently higher in parts of the U.S. that had relaxed masking and social distancing measures (like Florida and Texas) than in regions that remained vigilant.
  • Large parts of Africa and Asia still have not experienced outbreaks as big as those in Europe, North America and South America.
 
OUBubba said:
Here’s some more data to shoot down.
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And yet no material change in ICU availability or ventilator availability compared to last week...oh, and no changes to daily fatality counts.

The concern over 'cases' is more of the control fear-porn. Sadly, the sheep won't bother to actually look at data. They are so easily manipulated by numbers that they won't stop to look at an increase from five to ten being a 100% increase despite only being an increase of five. They focus on the fear porn.
 
mb227 said:
And yet no material change in ICU availability or ventilator availability compared to last week...oh, and no changes to daily fatality counts.

The concern over 'cases' is more of the control fear-porn. Sadly, the sheep won't bother to actually look at data. They are so easily manipulated by numbers that they won't stop to look at an increase from five to ten being a 100% increase despite only being an increase of five. They focus on the fear porn.
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LOVE the wolf/sheep angle!
 
Once the peak is over for delta, you will likely not know anything about covid if it wasn’t for the media coverage except the odd case here and there at your kid’s school.
 
Biden said yesterday that 100m Americans need vaccination. Only 80m folks are left that are eligible, and if you exclude those who are already infected, that leaves only 50m needing vaccination.
 
OUBubba said:
LOVE the wolf/sheep angle!
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It must pain you and others like you that some people know how to parse easily viewed data points.

To say nothing of the fact that you, of all people, SHOULD be aware that hospitals OFTEN operate near capacity. The masses may not always realize that, but those in your field DO know that a certain number of things like ICU beds are always going to be occupied because, duh, that is the unfortunate reality in the medical field.
 
mb227 said:
It must pain you and others like you that some people know how to parse easily viewed data points.

To say nothing of the fact that you, of all people, SHOULD be aware that hospitals OFTEN operate near capacity. The masses may not always realize that, but those in your field DO know that a certain number of things like ICU beds are always going to be occupied because, duh, that is the unfortunate reality in the medical field.
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What I know is that the system I work in has SIGNIFICANT difficulty transferring patients to tertiary hospitals. There were three in the ER ON VENTS Saturday looking for a transfer outlet. I think I posted a picture from December of 2020 that had two full sticky notes that was a listing of 31 hospitals from Tulsa, NWA, Ft. Smith, Springfield, Joplin, Little Rock, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Dallas that either had no ICU beds or were on ICU divert and a Case Manager had contacted them all for placement. We are going to be in that scenario very shortly. St. Francis in Tulsa had 6/145 COVID patients vaccinated. 4.13%. Tulsa county is about 45% vaccinated. Seems like those numbers are significant and it was ******* avoidable.
 
OUBubba said:
What I know is that the system I work in has SIGNIFICANT difficulty transferring patients to tertiary hospitals. There were three in the ER ON VENTS Saturday looking for a transfer outlet. I think I posted a picture from December of 2020 that had two full sticky notes that was a listing of 31 hospitals from Tulsa, NWA, Ft. Smith, Springfield, Joplin, Little Rock, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Dallas that either had no ICU beds or were on ICU divert and a Case Manager had contacted them all for placement. We are going to be in that scenario very shortly. St. Francis in Tulsa had 6/145 COVID patients vaccinated. 4.13%. Tulsa county is about 45% vaccinated. Seems like those numbers are significant and it was ******* avoidable.
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How do you explain available vent numbers remaining stable and ICU availability remaining relatively stable in Texas across the past week then?

The Valley is a clownshow numbers-wise, owing mostly to the sieve that Biden has created, while the Panhandle is NOT experiencing the issues with a crunch. As a percentage of beds in Trauma Service Area A and C (the two most northern regions in Texas), COVID accounts for only a small percentage of the staffed beds and they still have plenty of vents available. I guess Amarillo and Wichita Falls know how to manage a system better than Okies...
 
I think the bigger problem for most hospitals is the shortage of critical care nurses. As was stated, there seems to be plenty of vents available and most hospitals simply convert areas into CC units.
 
theiioftx said:
I think the bigger problem for most hospitals is the shortage of critical care nurses. As was stated, there seems to be plenty of vents available and most hospitals simply convert areas into CC units.
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See thread. Make sure you read all the way to the /23 tweet (last one).

 
I can tell you for months since opening back up we have returned to our normal amout of sick call ins. Almost no one was getting a covid test. Over the past three weeks as the media has rammed delta down our throats EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO TEST FOR DELTA, I have about 20 people a day going to get tests. Got a sniffle? Go get a test. Its ridiculous.

Most people are stupid and go straight to the ER or Urgent Care Clinic so its no surprise they are overwhelmed. This is all click bait for vaccines and its working.
 
I've been reading this thread for some time now and honestly have a damn headache. I'm not a liberal or conservative, nor am I a Democrat or Republican. I have varied beliefs and positions on things that make it too difficult to label. I've tried to follow all the BS from both sides throughout all of this and ultimately have no freaking clue what's right or wrong, accurate or made up. I have no idea how history will look back on all of this, but I know I will look back and remember the now seven friends and loved ones we have lost to COVID, the most recent of which happened late last week. One had known underlying issues, one was over 65, and the other five were healthy and "young", at least by the definitions used for those allegedly more at risk. They died from COVID, not some other condition that COVID exacerbated, so rather than trying to postulate on which side or position I prefer or believe, I tend to just keep my mouth shut and do what's hopefully best for me and my family. At the end of the day that's where my focus will always rest, and I could care less about the rest. No judgment being passed and more power to you whichever way you think and act. Whether you choose one path or the other, godspeed, and say a little prayer for those we've lost regardless of why.
 
Vino Bevo said:
I've been reading this thread for some time now and honestly have a damn headache. I'm not a liberal or conservative, nor am I a Democrat or Republican. I have varied beliefs and positions on things that make it too difficult to label. I've tried to follow all the BS from both sides throughout all of this and ultimately have no freaking clue what's right or wrong, accurate or made up. I have no idea how history will look back on all of this, but I know I will look back and remember the now seven friends and loved ones we have lost to COVID, the most recent of which happened late last week. One had known underlying issues, one was over 65, and the other five were healthy and "young", at least by the definitions used for those allegedly more at risk. They died from COVID, not some other condition that COVID exacerbated, so rather than trying to postulate on which side or position I prefer or believe, I tend to just keep my mouth shut and do what's hopefully best for me and my family. At the end of the day that's where my focus will always rest, and I could care less about the rest. No judgment being passed and more power to you whichever way you think and act. Whether you choose one path or the other, godspeed, and say a little prayer for those we've lost regardless of why.
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I’ve known 3 who died of covid. One who was elderly in good health but died of pneumonia, one who was early 60’s but had an underlying heart issue, and one mid-40’s who was overweight, asthmatic, and apparently family history (2 others in his extended family died as well).

Yes we can mourn those we have lost, but also decry the politicians and governments who have assumed too much power to tell us what to do or what we cannot do. I do know that younger folks see covid much differently than retirees. Also, folks who survived covid (good or bad) see things differently than folks who haven’t contracted it. It was going to be political mess regardless from the get go.
 
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mchammer said:
I’ve known 3 who died of covid. One who was elderly in good health but died of pneumonia, one who was early 60’s but an underlying heart issue, and one mid-40’s who was overweight, asthmatic, and apparently family history (2 others in his extended family died as well).

Yes we can mourn those we have lost, but also decry the politicians and governments who have assumed too much power to tell us what to do or what we cannot do. I do know that younger folks see covid much differently than retirees. Also, folks who survived covid (good or bad) see things differently than folks who haven’t contracted it. It was going to be political mess regardless from the get go.
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As long as your ilk keeps going Triumph the Dog on any data or news that's not positive. I posted a link that leaned toward a conclusion that was right leaning but it was treated like it was an AOC poster because it was from me and the NYT.
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What a shock...Houston area has the most ICU beds available today compared to the past week. The State of Texas has more ICU beds available today than compared to the rest of the week.

Ventilator count is consistent.

The numbers almost would lead one to recognize that...hmm...this is about fear and control. Biden can go piss up a rope with his claims of Texas having poor policies that have placed our citizens at risk.
 
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