And even most libertarians wouldn't cheer on a guy pushing a cop into a lake. Monahorns has a point to criticize the City's policy, but he wildly overstates the case when defending assaulting a cop. That's a step way too far.
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And even most libertarians wouldn't cheer on a guy pushing a cop into a lake. Monahorns has a point to criticize the City's policy, but he wildly overstates the case when defending assaulting a cop. That's a step way too far.
Joe Fan
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LongestHorn
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Congress’s top leaders on Saturday rejected the Trump administration’s offer to deploy rapid coronavirus testing to Capitol Hill ahead of the U.S. Senate’s planned return on Monday, saying key supplies should be reserved for frontline workers amid the pandemic.
In a rare joint statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said they “respectfully” reject the administration’s “generous” offer to provide rapid testing capabilities to Congress.
“Our country’s testing capacities are continuing to scale up nationwide and Congress wants to keep directing resources to the front-line facilities where they can do the most good the most quickly,” said Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, and Mr. McConnell, Kentucky Republican.
SEE ALSO: Trump blasts ‘Crazy Nancy P,’ says there’s ‘tremendous’ coronavirus testing capacity for Congress
The leaders said that consistent with federal guidance, Congress will use the testing protocols the Office of the Attending Physician has in place until quicker technology is more readily available.
Late Friday, Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar said the administration was sending three Abbott “point of care” testing machines and 1,000 tests to Capitol Hill as the Senate prepares to return to Washington, D.C. on Monday.
President Trump appeared to criticize the leaders’ decision.
“No reason to turn it down, except politics,” Mr. Trump said on Twitter. “We have plenty of testing. Maybe you need a new Doctor over there. Crazy Nancy will use it as an excuse not to show up to work!”
Earlier Saturday, Mr. Trump had said there was a sufficient supply.
In a rare joint statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said they “respectfully” reject the administration’s “generous” offer to provide rapid testing capabilities to Congress.
“Our country’s testing capacities are continuing to scale up nationwide and Congress wants to keep directing resources to the front-line facilities where they can do the most good the most quickly,” said Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, and Mr. McConnell, Kentucky Republican.
SEE ALSO: Trump blasts ‘Crazy Nancy P,’ says there’s ‘tremendous’ coronavirus testing capacity for Congress
The leaders said that consistent with federal guidance, Congress will use the testing protocols the Office of the Attending Physician has in place until quicker technology is more readily available.
Late Friday, Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar said the administration was sending three Abbott “point of care” testing machines and 1,000 tests to Capitol Hill as the Senate prepares to return to Washington, D.C. on Monday.
President Trump appeared to criticize the leaders’ decision.
“No reason to turn it down, except politics,” Mr. Trump said on Twitter. “We have plenty of testing. Maybe you need a new Doctor over there. Crazy Nancy will use it as an excuse not to show up to work!”
Earlier Saturday, Mr. Trump had said there was a sufficient supply.
Monahorns
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You are talking about the law as written. I don't think all laws are just or legitimate. I don't support Legal Positivism and I don't agree that certain people should be favored by law over others. If the policeman pushed a protester into the water, he wouldn't be guilty of assault. If two swimmers got into a disagreement and one pushed the other into the lake, he would be guilty of assault. You base your opinion on holding policemen and government officials to privileged or higher status. I don't. They are both human. They should be held equally under the law. If they aren't that is a failure of our legal system.
It isn't weird. Despite us agreeing on different subjects. Y'all all believe in Statism. You hold government officials as more righteous or protected than other people. I don't. I believe in natural law and the rights that come from that natural law. Not the divine right of kings or the magical innocence of policemen when they put on certain clothes.
The person may have acted foolishly in light of current law. It could be pointless because he isn't going to get his way. But he is standing up for what should be his right. In that he is a patriot and a hero.
Otherwise, we have to believe that it is somehow unethical or immoral to stand less than 6 feet from a person. We have to believe a policemen has the right to tell people just how close or far away they are allowed to be to other people. We have to believe that people don't fundamentally own their own bodies and the ability to make their own decisions where it doesn't infringe on other peoples'. We have to believe that Government has the right to announce and enforce any edict they want, without vote, without constraint.
The baseline facts, this is for you Garmel, is that all the people at Lake Austin that day made a conscious decision to leave their homes and go to the lake. No one forced them. They did not believe they were endangering themselves. Then when they were their they made the decision to gather with other like minded people. No one was forced to stand within 6 feet of any other. If someone was walking up to people and invading their space without the consent of the other people, then that would be a violation of those people's rights. They and the policeman would have the right to say, "hey, those people don't like that you are too close to them. step back or away. they think you pose a threat to their health."
But that clearly was not the situation. These were all people who were exercising their God given right to gather with other people to enjoy an afternoon at a park. I wouldn't have pushed the policeman in the lake. But the only choice was to submit to an illegitimate order or to refuse. Ultimately, something like that was going to happen. The dude escalated by pushing the policeman. If he wouldn't have the policeman could have escalated by doing something else, if the people didn't submit. I side with the people wanting to hang out in peace at the park.
They matter to me. So do ours. I don't pretend to know how to arrest someone without the use of force. I believe we should obey the law and those who put their lives at risk in enforcement. I understand the concept of unjust laws as we have witnessed in our lifetime. We know the Bull Connor's of the world created a climate of total distrust of our law enforcement community. But all that nuance is irrelevant here. You don't push a cop like that; period. There was no unjust oppression going on. Besides, once he was taken down he was unable to do his job, even for a moment. He was impaired and that in and of itself should be enough to arrest the idiot. We can't encourage that sort of thing.
One of my wife's cousins made a comment on Facebook about all this. He made a joke. he replied to him that ,of course the, minions and morons who voted for here aren't in the limelight so they don't need haircuts.
A sister-in-law replied telling me what a great leader she is and how Lightfoot runs Chicago does not affect my daily life in the suburbs. She apparently believes that Chicago and its politics and policies doesn't influence the cities and counties surrounding it.
She, the mayor, governor, and media all talk about how important Chicago is to the country, but no one else can comment. So, I'm going to be sure to tell what you said about this lol.
LongestHorn
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It’s “all y’all”, ffs. We’re not barbarians.
So what? Move along....
LongestHorn
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Maybe in Chicago.
PecosBill
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Everyone at the City Park agreed to the Park rules and regulations as stated at the park entrance and had the expectation that everyone would abide by the same rules and regulations equally.
The Park Ranger while in the performance of his paid duties as an agent of the City of Austin was approached in a violent manner, knocked into the lake and assaulted by Hicks in the process.
It is illegal to smoke at a City park. It is illegal to be intoxicated at a city park. It is illegal to obstruct a City employee in the performance of his duties. It is illegal to come in forcible contact with someone during a stated pandemic with social distancing requirements as in effect on April 30th, 2020.
This guy is a dumb ******* who deserves to make his $7500 bond and have his day in court.
Perhaps it will be a jury trial if he doesnt accept a plea.
Joe Fan
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I think the mayor of Chicago is usually more politically powerful than the Governor
Is this still true? At one point, it was true enough to affect a presidential election
I also recollect Operation Greylord pretty well -- it was basically everyone
LOL! Where is any of this **** written in the law codes? Like I tell Bubba your feelings are not reality. You would have been one of the unfortunate fools dying at the hands of Washington and his men during the Whiskey Rebellion. In my life I've disobeyed the law on several occasions but every time I did I realized i didn't have a right to assault someone enforcing those laws.
Edit- If you think someone is a statist because they think cops shouldn't be fair game for violence makes me realize you're ridiculous.
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Probably. That was my point in telling her that her notion that how Chicago's Mayor runs Chicago does not affect my daily life in the burbs. Which, you probably get.
There is a big movement protesting these "Executive Orders". Mostly down state folks, but it's growing.
What was he doing that was unjust? Regardless yes. Never push any law enforcement officer.
OUBubba
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Please let me know if you'll ever be visiting the Chicago area.
LongestHorn
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I was supposed to be coming at the end of the month for Dillo Day.
Austin_Bill
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If I were a judge, I'd put that kid in jail for 6 months to a year. I would push for no parole and I would make sure this follows him for the rest of his life.
I'm sick of this quarantine as everyone else is, but that **** is out of bounds. Hope he gets prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Austin_Bill
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FIFY
Oh, please, let's get together and social distance. It would be a lot of fun.
One of the few posts from you I won't "Poop".
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