Comey and Mueller

Seattle Husker said:
Is "known liars" a euphemism for information you don't want to believe? There are so many I can't keep track.

Question, do you today believe that HRC has a neurological condition?
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Don't give me that nonsense. You base nearly every decision on what the MSM tells you to think. That's why you don't believe in so many things that are right in front of your eyes (FBI corruption) and buy into crapola (IRS is a silly conspiracy theory) I'll put my track record of accuracy against yours any day of the week. I do believe she has something wrong with her. It may or might not be neurological. I don't know what it is. However, that whole pneumonia excuse stinks to high heaven.
 
Seattle Husker said:
I was working on an IT project with a guy that fainted at his desk in the middle of the day. This was a guy who had ran 20+ marathons to that point. We of course called the ambulence. The diagnosis? Exhaustion and a prescription to hydrate better. He was back at work the next day.
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You don’t recover from pneumonia by hanging out at your daughter’s house for a couple hours. Pneumonia is a little different than dehydration.......
 
I love where this has gone. Illuminating.

Good thing she had the pneumonia. It probably slowed down her pedophile work with Podesta out of the basement of that pizza place. Have they found a basement in that place yet?
 
OUBubba said:
I love where this has gone. Illuminating.

Good thing she had the pneumonia. It probably slowed down her pedophile work with Podesta out of the basement of that pizza place. Have they found a basement in that place yet?
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Trouser chili isn't necessarily a symptom of pneumonia. You're from Oklahoma. You should know that.
 
OUBubba said:
I love where this has gone. Illuminating.

Good thing she had the pneumonia. It probably slowed down her pedophile work with Podesta out of the basement of that pizza place. Have they found a basement in that place yet?
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Yep. That basement is right where Trump has been sending his secret messages to Putin.
 
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Trump tried to fire Mueller. Obstruction of justice charges may be on the horizon. Fortunately adults in the White House saved DJT from himself.

Life comes at you fast, Hannity.
 
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Competing arguments from a liberal source on the obstruction issue.

Real chance of obstruction charge. Link.

Potential legal and political problems with obstruction charge. Link.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Trump tried to fire Mueller. Obstruction of justice charges may be on the horizon.
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May be charges, but he has/had the right to fire him without cause. Regardless of how it looks.

Incidentally, I'm looking forward to that "attempted obstruction of justice" charge, where you can now be convicted of wanting to do something but being talked out of it.

And one other note: the phrase used by the Washington Post is "according to four people told of the matter." So it's not good enough that we have unquestioned anonymous second-hand accounts. Let's move on to anonymous third-hand accounts.
 
OUBubba said:
I love where this has gone. Illuminating.

Good thing she had the pneumonia. It probably slowed down her pedophile work with Podesta out of the basement of that pizza place. Have they found a basement in that place yet?
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I agree that this is irrelevant. I do find it funny that you are so obsessed to learn if Trump's doctor fudged his height, but don't care if Hitlery's folks lied about her almost dying during the campaign. Got hypocrisy?
 
Let’s just go with the obvious reasoning; if you know there’s no “collusion” there can be no obstruction.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
May be charges, but he has/had the right to fire him without cause. Regardless of how it looks.

Incidentally, I'm looking forward to that "attempted obstruction of justice" charge, where you can now be convicted of wanting to do something but being talked out of it.

And one other note: the phrase used by the Washington Post is "according to four people told of the matter." So it's not good enough that we have unquestioned anonymous second-hand accounts. Let's move on to anonymous third-hand accounts.
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I don't think the firing (of Comey or of Mueller), by itself, can be obstruction of justice unless he actually tries to stop or interfere with the investigation.
 
iatrogenic said:
Let’s just go with the obvious reasoning; if you know there’s no “collusion” there can be no obstruction.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. If he was trying to get people to lie, was destroying evidence, etc., then I think he'd have a problem, but nobody has presented evidence of that.
 
Mr. Deez said:
I don't think the firing (of Comey or of Mueller), by itself, can be obstruction of justice unless he actually tries to stop or interfere with the investigation.
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That's why the obstruction is so ridiculous IMO. So far, the only examples of obstruction brought out have been Trump requesting something that wasn't done. The very fact that the investigation is ongoing would seem to be evidence that there has been no obstruction.

They basically would need to show that he lied to investigators or hid evidence, right?
 
Here's another question: as I understand it, there's no law against collusion. Even if collusion had somehow taken place, I'm not clear on how they would make the case for impeachment or criminal charges. is it collusion for an incoming president's staff to meet with foreign powers? Is it collusion to coordinate resources with a foreign power in an attempt to win an election or pass legislation of some sort? Is it collusion to meet with foreign powers to undermine current US policy? The dems have done all of that, and do so regularly, so I'm not seeing the issue.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
Here's another question: as I understand it, there's no law against collusion. Even if collusion had somehow taken place, I'm not clear on how they would make the case for impeachment or criminal charges. is it collusion for an incoming president's staff to meet with foreign powers? Is it collusion to coordinate resources with a foreign power in an attempt to win an election or pass legislation of some sort?
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It depends entirely on the specifics of what the collusion was. Of course, this story has gotten twisted in a million ways to force the square peg of Trump into the round hole of guilt. However, it started as the alleged hacking of the DNC e-mails by Russian agents and subsequent leaking of those e-mails through Wikileaks. Hacking people's e-mails and publicizing them is very clearly a crime. If Trump was involved in this, he could be guilty of the underlying crime or conspiracy.

ProdigalHorn said:
Is it collusion to meet with foreign powers to undermine current US policy? The dems have done all of that, and do so regularly, so I'm not seeing the issue.
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Dems are notorious for this, and it's closer to treason than the worst things Trump has been accused of. In fact, John Kerry has done it in the last couple of days.
 
4th_floor said:
I agree that this is irrelevant. I do find it funny that you are so obsessed to learn if Trump's doctor fudged his height, but don't care if Hitlery's folks lied about her almost dying during the campaign. Got hypocrisy?
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I don't care that Trump fudged his weight and I think THIS doctor is an outstanding doc. The physical thing is more entertainment while the fudging of the weight is simply illuminating of the narcissism. I mean, do we need to know the weight and height? No. But, I'm glad he was able to grow an inch and be just on the cusp of being "obese". :) I'm betting he's 6-1, 268 at the combine....with small hands....
 
So FBI Director Christopher Wray finally looked at the FISA memo on Sunday afternoon.
Then today first thing Andrew McCabe "steps down" (or was it "removed"?)
Coincidence?

We also have the IG's report hitting soon in which McCabe is supposed to play a starring role. Thus, at worst, this action on McCabe is a preemptive move prior to that report being released
 
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