Comey and Mueller

Seattle Husker said:
Is this an admission that you are incapable critically analyzing those texts? NJLonghorn already covered other viable options.

It seems to me you are admitting that it doesn't matter what the "plan" was or any other context that might be present. It's "hard to interpret it in any other way". You've made your decision already on a smattering of texts.
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The way Strzok arranged his wording there is no other logical explanation for me except it was something nefarious. This is a smoking gun. NJ has his own explanations but I don't agree with them.
 
I35 said:
It's about what is right or wrong that even you shouldn't dispute. Not if we agree or disagree with outcomes. Point blank the "institution" of the IRS should not target conservative groups. You agree? You seem to be okay with anything illegal as long as it helps your party in power.
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The fact that the IRS settled lawsuits with the Tea party orgs is an indictment of the IRS. Though I defended them in the moment I have no interest in defending them now.

On a personal note, I do support any lawful methods the IRS conducts to ferret out tax fraud.
 
Seattle Husker said:
The fact that the IRS settled lawsuits with the Tea party orgs is an indictment of the IRS.
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No one was punished or blamed, no one suffered any repercussions, except for... wait for it... THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR THE SETTLEMENTS. Wow, we sure showed the IRS, didn't we? They'll think twice before they try something like THAT again!

Seattle Husker said:
Though I defended them in the moment I have no interest in defending them now.
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Yeah that's awfully convenient. You defended them when it mattered, and now that it doesn't, you "pull a Hillary" - AT THIS POINT, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?? Have you heard any Democrats coming out and acknowledging that this was a bad thing? That it was wrong? Maybe I missed it - it sure wasn't publicized if they did.
 
You people have no faith in Mueller to be able to manage this? That's what I don't get. He's a GOP appointed former FBI Director. He's not like Eric Holder or Susan Rice investigating Trump.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
No one was punished or blamed, no one suffered any repercussions, except for... wait for it... THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR THE SETTLEMENTS. Wow, we sure showed the IRS, didn't we? They'll think twice before they try something like THAT again!

Yeah that's awfully convenient. You defended them when it mattered, and now that it doesn't, you "pull a Hillary" - AT THIS POINT, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?? Have you heard any Democrats coming out and acknowledging that this was a bad thing? That it was wrong? Maybe I missed it - it sure wasn't publicized if they did.
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Not sure what you're expecting. I inferred I was wrong for defending them. I've admitted my frailty. Recognizing that's a foreign concept in current conservative ideology I'll give you a pass.
 
OUBubba said:
You people have no faith in Mueller to be able to manage this?
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Uh.............. NO! I think most went in believing that he would but that's not what's happening. The first clue was all of the appointees he recruited that were big advocates and donors to Hillary Clinton. Then he had to fire one back in June or July and kept it quiet. I actually though Comey was a good guy at one time till he pulled his stunts.
 
Seattle Husker said:
Not sure what you're expecting.
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Acknowledge of wrongdoing by those involved would have been nice. Punishment of people who committed crimes would have been good, too. As it stands, I see no reason that the Dems won't go right back to that well if/when they regain power, because it cost them nothing the last time.

Your argument is like saying that "well, there were sexual harassment suits filed against congressmen, but they settled, so that's an indictment of them." It's clearly not.

For clarity's sake, it's not about you or whether you do or don't approve of what happened. It's about the fact that you don't seem to get why conservatives don't think the issue was addressed. The fact that we continue to see MSM articles about the "scandal-free Obama administration" tell me that in large part, liberals do not believe that targeting conservatives is an issue.
 
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Joe Fan said:
Is this guy's name even real? It sounds like a name out of a Beavis and Butthead episode. "You said Peter Stroke, uh huh-huh, huh huh."
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He needs a vowel in there between the R and the Z. :) It's more than likely a Slavic surname.
 
Joe Fan said:
.....Now it has come out that his wife, a purported Russia expert, was employed by GPS Fusion during the period at issue. DOJ is now refusing to comment on the record about this. It seems unlikely that Ohr's immediate superiors at DOJ (Sally Yates/Loretta Lynch) were unaware the Ohr's wife connection to GPSF. But we will see what they say.
This breaking news came just as Andrew McCabe (former acting director of the FBI, now Deputy Director) was about to testify to Congress. McCabe suddenly refused to appear. Sounds like this news may have saved McCabe from perjuring himself about Ohr......
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So McCabe finally re-set his appearance for Tuesday.
As outlined above, he was scheduled to testify when the Ohr news broke. He then abruptly canceled without warning. Later saying he had a "scheduling conflict" Really dude?

 
Joe Fan said:
So McCabe finally re-set his appearance for Tuesday.
As outlined above, he was scheduled to testify when the Ohr news broke. He then abruptly canceled without warning. Later saying he had a "scheduling conflict" Really dude?
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Andrew McCabe is probably the "Andy" that was mentioned in Strzok's emails as well.
 
So the Trump Russia "probe" was a ploy to keep Trump out of the White House and/or kneecapping his administration. The "insurance policy" was opening a counter intelligence investigation to spy on a presidential campaign and then keep him from governing if he wins.

Who is shocked? Raise your hands.

It looks like whoever knows Strzok who is leaking this stuff thinks we should be comforted that his plan was not to eliminate Trump. But all it really shows is that Strzok needs better friends.

 
This guy was really high up at Justice
His and McCabe's lack of testimony make for an interesting contrast with Trumpfolk
The Trump people are asked to appear, they do so voluntarily and stay as long as requested
But whenever an Obama or Clinton team member is asked, they refuse to appear, delay, or plead the 5th.
How do you account for that difference?


 
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Joe Fan said:
The Trump people are asked to appear, they do so voluntarily and stay as long as requested
But whenever an Obama or Clinton team member is asked, they refuse to appear, delay, or plead the 5th.
How do you account for that difference?
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They are all as guilty as sin, and need time to make up some stupid-assed story that only idiots like SH and Dem congressmen will believe.
 
Seattle Husker said:
So, we have the story the Republicans leaked to their friendly press. I wonder what the Dem's will say to their friendly press?
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That's why we need to have these investigations open to the public so people can decide for themselves and not via biased news agencies.
 
Garmel said:
That's why we need to have these investigations open to the public so people can decide for themselves and not via biased news agencies.
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I have no problem with the idea that the congressional investigations should be open to the public. They are politically driven shitshows thus inconsequential for anything more than scoring political points. The Mueller investigation is a criminal investigation thus should act as any other criminal investigation.
 
Here is a link to an article regarding a study on whether the FBI is perceived as liberal or conservative based on a survey of government employees. The right has gone crazy with many of their narratives.

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Seattle Husker said:
I have no problem with the idea that the congressional investigations should be open to the public. They are politically driven shitshows thus inconsequential for anything more than scoring political points. The Mueller investigation is a criminal investigation thus should act as any other criminal investigation.
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The Mueller investigation has been a shitshow in its own right. Corruption beyond belief.
 
But conservative in what way I guess? Conservative vs liberal are loaded labels whose definitions shift from person to person.

Regardless of what political stance the FBI takes. The documented facts from the Collusion Investigation should cause all Americans to take a step back from our faith in them. Not saying they don't ever get it right or protect us citizens, but it looks like there is much they (FBI, CIA, NSA) do to protect themselves, their power, their interests, and their paychecks regardless of what it does to citizens.
 
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