Baylor Mind-Blowing

JustWin,

Sorry if I got the wrong first name. If his first name is "Robert", between him and Robert Sloan, I would strongly recommend to my Baptist brethren that they avoid anyone named "Robert" in the future.

Never use Google other than Google Earth to measure property & buildings. Just trusting an old memory from the days when he roamed the Baylor sideline. Did it tell you what ever happened to him?
 
Can we just kick them out of the BigXII? I don't want to have anything more to do with that institution. Is there a way to file a lawsuit against them and get them out?
 
Sean and Chip were ripping them mercilessly this morning; they were calling for Starr to step down or be let go... Chip had a softer tone towards Briles (in part due to his sympathies over Briles losing both his parents in a car accident) saying Briles should now be on probation by the University and should from now on not pursue any player if there is even a shred of doubt as to their character.

They also reinforced their beliefs that Strongs core values were very necessary as there are many players coming in from "at risk" backgrounds and the core value list is a catch-all and (in my own words here) a shot at remedial parenting.
 
The blame and responsibility to act ultimately is on Baylor.

If they do not respond to what has happened, then Briles isn't going to. Baylor just can't release letters saying they are sorry, without taking some kind of legitimate action, to help rectify the situation.

Even some in the student body are now seeing that something is deeply wrong and protesting.

We speak of "core values" a lot, but this University was supposed to have been founded on them. Some violations are just sleazy, but this pattern of assault is despicable, then magnified at an institution like Baylor.

This seems to be a simple matter of money and fame as a football power being more important, than those founding values.

Baylor has a new football stadium to pay for and a top 10 football team. Values won't pay the bills or get them on Sportscenter.
 
Baylor has a new football stadium to pay for and a top 10 football team. Values won't pay the bills or get them on Sportscenter.

Exactly. I will be surprised if anything happens or anyone is held accountable. They just need to quit pretending to be a Christian university. I would be thrilled if we could kick them out of the Big XII, but would settle for beating them in every sport.
 
Copied this from another post...THIS is why you take the road Baylor took........NOW WE HAVE A LAW SUIT TO DEAL WITH because we went all moral high ground !!!!!

http://kxan.com/2016/02/05/lawsuits-against-ut-allege-bias-against-males-in-sex-assault-cases/

AUSTIN (KXAN) — Two lawsuits have been filed against the University of Texas by plaintiff’s who say they were expelled from the university after being accused in sexual assault investigations. They claim the university’s Title IX investigators showed bias against male students by recommending their expulsion without giving them the proper due process.

A passage in the lawsuit says the university has sought publicity and prestige by portraying itself as a national leader in the effort to curb on-campus sexual assault, “The university has a vested interest in expelling as many male students for sexual assault as it can in order to maintain its appearance as a leader in this area.”

Brian Roark is the attorney representing the male students in both lawsuits. In 2015, Roark successfully represented former Texas Longhorn football player Kendall Sanders in a sexual assault trial. During that trial, Roark highlighted shortcomings in the University of Texas Police Department investigation and a jury acquitted Sanders after four hours of deliberations. After the verdict, the Travis County District Attorney’s Office dropped the case against co-defendant and Longhorn teammate Montrel Meander.

The lawsuits against UT are unrelated to Sanders and Meander, but go on to say the university’s disciplinary decisions leading to student expulsions are being deeply questioned for their fairness and accuracy.

One of the suits claims expulsion from the university was recommended despite Austin police and the Travis County District Attorney’s Office closing the case without criminal charges or prosecution. The second lawsuit claims expulsion against a student was recommended without the alleged victim ever personally making a sex assault accusation.

UT said criminal investigations into campus sex assaults are a completely separate process than Title IX investigations. Title IX is a federal law to prevent sexual discrimination on college campuses, including sexual harassment and assault. Chief Compliance Officer Paul Liebman said the standard of evidence for the two investigations are also completely different.

“Our investigation determines if it is more likely than not that a violation of our general information catalog has occurred, whereas the police in their process must determine beyond reasonable doubt,” said Liebman.

By law, the university and any investigating law enforcement agency do not share information from their investigations. While one investigation adheres to the code of criminal procedure, Liebman said the Title IX investigation only determines if campus rules were broken and what discipline is appropriate.

“We review our process every year and renew every year based on what other universities are doing,” said Liebman.

The Title IX investigators involved in the two cases are named in the lawsuits along with UT President Greg Fenves. The plaintiffs are asking for an injunction to stop any disciplinary action by UT.
 
Wow, I hope the University of Texas can handle a lawsuit. We all know there are never any frivolous lawsuits.

I'm sure Baylor will never have any legal action taken against them.

There will probably be a candlelight vigil outsides of Fenves's home over these lawsuits. Title IX will probably be repealed because of these lawsuits.

The University or Texas doesn't have to have criminal convictions to expell any student.

Let me see, would I rather have Texas face this or do what Baylor is doing.

I'm pretty sure I would take the lawsuits every time.

Besides the road Baylor took is a solid pattern of looking the other way and letting bad behavior go on. Yes, let's do that.

When ESPN does an OTL about something being wrong, you can bet there is.
 
Thank you NBHorn. I can't think of anything to add to that.

Except, LOL at
car54 said:
Copied this from another post...THIS is why you take the road Baylor took........NOW WE HAVE A LAW SUIT TO DEAL WITH because we went all moral high ground !!!!!
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Yes if there is lesson to be learned from this, it is we should definitely take the moral low ground folks!
 
Detective Shilala said:
Thank you NBHorn. I can't think of anything to add to that.

Except, LOL at


Yes if there is lesson to be learned from this, it is we should definitely take the moral low ground folks!
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No, we should take the proper moral ground, but act within boundaries and let the law take care of the perps.
 
Ah ok. The proper moral ground and within boundaries. Thanks for clearing that up.
Can kids still get kicked off the team or out of school if they flunk classes?
Its not a criminal offense after all.
 
I have seen in the work world that companies fire employees, not because of what they actually did, but because it wasn't not clearly available, but it was in the areas of sex or race. Companies have conducted a PC witch hunt to avoid pr backlash in these areas. But the UT situation doesn't validate Baylor's behavior.

When a board of directors determines an unacceptable culture exists, I don't think the president should automatically be let go. But if they determine that the President is having difficulty making the best decisions because s/he is part of or sympathetic to the unacceptable culture, then you have to pull the plug. I don't see Baylor's leadership, Starr or Briles dealing with this well.
 
Texas is getting sued, therefore Baylor's reaction to student sex assaults was correct, is not a great logical argument.
 
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