Avery Johnson Fired

The Mavs players weren't listening to him anymore. Also, he never takes responsibility for anything. He is still a great coach that will probably have success elsewhere. He would work best with a young team that won't tune him out or question his decisions. I see him in Chicago next year.
 
Well on the ticket this morning there was confirmation that before the playoffs AJ told the team no parties. (If you have to tell a team that before the playoffs then something is seriously wrong) then before game 4 Josh was handing out flyers about his birthday party after the game. AJ found out about it the next day and asked the guys that went to stand up and he then proceeded to read them the riot act and was so pissed he just canceled practice.

Speculation was that Stackhouse, Terry and Damp all went.
A caller then called in said yes those guys were there. (take that with a grain of salt.)

Any way it just goes to show that while I was really behind Cuban for awhile he has lost control. He gives these guys huge contracts and now he is stuck and they know it and they basically run the asylum now. Hope he learns his lesson and can fight thru the crap that this team will be for few years now till they can get rid of bad contracts and bad players, ie howard, terry, stack and damp.

Listened to AJ's sound bites and it sure sounds like he is really not upset and is glad to be out of there.

Oops sorry just saw the other thread about this.
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I just listened to Avery's interview with Galloway and will only add this -

The guy is all class. He handled this very well.

And FWIW, I don't think either Cuban or Avery are "dumbasses" or "idiots" or whatever message board perjorative you want to throw out. Cuban turned that franchise around. Avery had them 2 games - and some bad ref calls - from a Title.

They clearly just didn't see eye-to-eye after a while. It happens in business situations.
 
Clearly someone is a dumbass here. First off why does everyone give Cuban so much credit. Yes he took the laughing stock of the league and turned them into a winning laughing stock, but let's see how. He spent an *** load of money in a league that has (for all intents and purposes) no salary cap. This is like calling Steinbrenner a genius because he can outspend the entire National League combined. Cuban is a good businessman, he tapped into the Dallas market by getting a new facility and paying for a lot of players. this is clearly a page from Big Stein's play book. Try to buy a title, then fire or trade good players to 'shake things up' without actually addressing the needs of the team, then fire any coach who doesn't win a title in 3 or 4 years. The only thing missing is Cuban Jr jumping in and making more assinine decisions. Of course with Cuban's hair cut I don't see him procreating any time soon.
 
Best thing taht could have happened to him. I hope he goes somewhere wher he can come back every year and stick it up Cuban's *** a la Steve Nash.
 
Good God, Dallas is on the way to becoming a trainwreck in two or three years.

Headline should have read: "Avery gets reprieve from governor"
 
I doubt the Mavs beat the Spurs in 06 with Nash going against Parker. Remember how tight that series was. There was a very slim margin for error for Dallas to win. Devin Harris did just enough against Parker on the defensive end in that series for Dallas to win.
 
Bear,

We got into this on the other thread, but Nash knocked the Mavs out of the playoffs in 2005. Nash almost certainly would've beaten the Mavs in 2006 in the WCF had Stoudemire been healthy - that series went 6 games even without Stoudemire. And 2007 (and 2008 too) was a 1st round playoff disaster. If that's what you want to hang your hat on, go for it, but it's not coincidence that the Mavs have been viewed as lacking leadership since Nash left.

I agree that the Kidd trade was a franchise-altering disaster, but I don't see how letting Nash go for zilch could be viewed as anything less than a major **** up. You keep going back to the "beat the Spurs" argument, but they could've had Harris AND Nash on the roster. They just as easily could've stuck Nash on Bowen and let Harris guard Parker to keep him out of the paint. It's not an "or" argument, it's an "and" argument. Also, look at the improvement Nowtizki has made on defense since Avery took over. Nash could've improved on D as well with a coach that emphasized it, in addition to emphasizing team defense that was never there in the Nelson years. And they certainly don't end up making the gawd awful Kidd trade if Nash is still there. You're telling me that you're happy the way all of that ended up because of the "success" of the past three years? No way.
 
Perhaps Avery should try the college coaching route where that heavy handed approach generally goes over better. It doesn't sound like many of the Mavs players are that sorry to see him go.
 
In hindsight, letting Nash go was about equally as bad as signing Dampier to that huge contract. However, what everybody forgets is that Nash had just been schooled by Mike Bibby in the first round exit to Sacramento. The Mavs were just deciding to be a defensive team and Nash obviously sucks *** at defense - Ex. Tony Parker. At the time, we didn't value him as much as Phoenix who were willing to build a whole team around him, so they offered him a lot more money. He would never have won any MVPs with Dallas.
 
That '06 Mavs team played with a different kind of attitude than the '07 and this year's teams. That loss to the Heat did a number on that franchise, and the subsequent loss to G.St in the 1st round finished off whatever championship mettle they had built up in the '06 playoffs. Any team that goes into San Antonio and wins a Game 7 is a hell of a team.
 
^ It starts with a d and rhymes with rinse.

They went from not being able to guard Parker or Duncan to being able to at least slow down both guys.
 
I love people citing not being able to sign Dampier. The Mavs could have signed someone making two million dollars to do the same exact thing as Dampier does when he is basically making the same amount of money as Parker and Ginobili. Oh wait, they already had that in Diop.
 
Bear,
You clearly believe that Dampier is more valuable to the Mavs than Nash. Everyone else sees the argument as a two time MVP vs. one of the biggest dogs in the league who only showed up in his contract year. I don't see much point in pursuing this debate, neither side is going to change its mind.

With regard to acquiring a different big man.. .the Mavs had plenty of assets to deal and an owner who scoffs at the salary cap. They could've gotten something.

I would also argue that Amare Stoudemire being injured in 2006 was the biggest reason the Suns never made it out of the west, not the lack of a low post defender and rebounder.

And I still don't understand how you can say that your 2005 team that was run out of the playoffs by Nash and the Suns (sans dominant big man, btw) and the 2007 team that got beat in the first round by an 8 seed was better than the 2003 team that made the WCF. Apparently, you only need a dominant big man to beat the Spurs, not the Suns or Warriors.
 
In his radio press conference yesterday, Avery all but said that he didn't want Kidd. That means the trade was driven by Donnie Nelson, or Cuban.

If it was Nelson, then in firing Avery he shows that he thinks the current Mavs team, with Kidd, can still compete with the right coach.

If it was Cuban, maybe he realizes that NJ got the better of them in the trade, and he needs to bring in his rebuilding group.
 
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