Arch Wows Sark

SabreHorn said:
WJ,

The USN&WR, which has published the list of top 200, with the top 50 being considered "Tier One", disagrees and has for several years. They are the standard bearer of such information, which you may or may not agree with, but it's "the law".

You are correct that GT is in there just like Rice sits about 30 spots ahead of Texas, which sits close to 30 spots ahead of A&M.
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Sabre - I’m well aware of USN&WR (I work in academia). UT significantly outranks Georgia in that ranking (10 spots), and the gap is even wider in most other national rankings. UT is also top 10 in many important specialty rankings (e.g., engineering, business) with Georgia nowhere to be seen. So your statement above that they outrank UT is simply incorrect.
 
Coach would be under pressure to start him early, keep him as the starter and design an offense philosophy around him. Which means number 2 or 3 has zero chance at a fair competition and we could be throwing the ball way to much to win all the football games.
 
LHABSOB said:
Not being snarky here but why do you think he would be a program changer? Is it name alone? I’ve watched some tape and 2 games and don’t see it with his current skill level on the field.
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Don't mind at all...
Maybe he doesn't wow you on tape in a few snippets. Thinking Archie, Peyton, and Eli didnt jump off the screen either.
Physical attributes, has it between the ears, understands the game and the position, and surrounded by football people who are also of apparently high character. He appears to be both personally and "professionally" more mature than most peers. He knows how to work the pocket and get through progressions..understands offenses and defenses well from what I read..tremendous football knowledge...and Sark loves the guy and his game.
Does the name matter? Absolutely. He is of good football pedigree (3 NFL winning QBs?? Come on..) and highly sought after with many other recruits watching his decision. When you land a guy like that..at the very least..it helps change perception. There are a lot of guys out there who flash on tape but fewer who are "slow and steady" with long term, career minded focus who can sustain. I expect his path could look a lot like his uncles'.
(Unless some college screws it up)
 
Creek said:
This all feels like Simms 2.
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Creek,

Words fail me to give this post a civil reply. In previous eras, such a post would be worthy of a paid vacation to Algiers or Anahuac. The Mannings are nowhere near the problem of Phil Simms, a problem that Mack Brown handled very poorly.

Will the Manning family attend Arch's games ? Certainly

Will the Manning family fly in to "advise" Sark at practice? No way in hell.

The Mannings are a class act.
 
Say what you want about Chris Simms he was a bell cow recruit and won us a lot of football games. Yes he also lost notable ones in frustrating fashion. (He also blew the doors off of most of our schedule including A$M every year but no one remembers that)
But we have probably never been more talented as a team than when he was here.
if Manning turns out to be Simms 2 then. Would feel pretty good about our future.
 
The Simms and Redding class set the table for Mack Brown to win it all in 2005. That class was the first foundation that led to many consecutive years of top flight recruiting. The Manning name can do the same for Sark.
 
Detective Shilala said:
Say what you want about Chris Simms he was a bell cow recruit and won us a lot of football games. Yes he also lost notable ones in frustrating fashion. (He also blew the doors off of most of our schedule including A$M every year but no one remembers that)
But we have probably never been more talented as a team than when he was here.
if Manning turns out to be Simms 2 then. Would feel pretty good about our chances
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Nevertheless, all most people will remember is watching him help lose us the Colorado Championship game believing we would win it if they started Major or put him in sooner.
That game aside....Whether you believe(ed) in Simms and his talent or not....Daddy glaring from stands and Mack going back to him when the players and fans believed in Maj was not a good look.
And I can't get Roy William's jumping on his mug in the RRR out of my head. SMH
On another note...everytime I see or hear Chris these days..seems like a real likable dude.
Also, noteworthy, played admirably while almost dying (from ruptured spleen) in a game for the Bucs as I recall.
 
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Detective Shilala said:
Say what you want about Chris Simms he was a bell cow recruit and won us a lot of football games. Yes he also lost notable ones in frustrating fashion. (He also blew the doors off of most of our schedule including A$M every year but no one remembers that)
But we have probably never been more talented as a team than when he was here.
if Manning turns out to be Simms 2 then. Would feel pretty good about our future.
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I agree with both you guys. The Simms name had a huge impact on that being the #1 class, and we don't win it all without it. And Chris was a very good player except for 1 game, which seems to be the only thing people remember.

It's funny people don't remember Todd Dodge throwing 6 picks resulting in a loss to a bad cooger high team.
 
Creek said:
Could care less. This all feels like Simms 2.
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Or -
Morenz 2, Gilbert 2, Reggie McNiel 2, Rattler 2 or even Ryan Perralux 2.

Geez a Hiesman hopeful at Vegas who never threw a pass? Unfair to these kids.

If I was Cooper- there would be no contact or information coming out of the the Manning family. No newspaper articles, no recruiting info, nada.
At 16- being tagged as the next Savior has got to put a tremendous amount of pressure on a kid who is (and should be)worried about pimples hurting his prom chances- the recruiting Expert media needs to be critical of themselves when a blue chip fails. I’ve always thought they’re part of the problem.

My biggest concern at that age was hoping the woodie I had in PreAlgebra would go away before the bell rang to change classes.
What I’d give to have that issue now. BTW.
 
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Was thinking about this…

Aside from VY, what incoming program changing QB has lived up to the hype/expectations? Going back to the 60s, I’m not sure I can name one.

We won the natty in 69 with James Street, who I believe started as the 3rd or 4th string QB on the depth chart.

In 77, after injuries in the RRR, we had a 3rd string QB almost get is there.

Without Googling it I cannot tell you who our QB was in 1983. (Hey, I’m old.)

Colt was unbelievable, but a 3-star.
Gilbert was the next coming, but wasn’t.
James Brown? Simms?

My point is that aside from VY, I cannot name a super highly touted incoming QB for Texas that lived up to the expectations.

I would be thrilled if Arch Manning was that guy, but history (at Texas) has to make one wonder.
 
dukesteer said:
Was thinking about this…

Aside from VY, what incoming program changing QB has lived up to the hype/expectations? Going back to the 60s, I’m not sure I can name one.

We won the natty in 69 with James Street, who I believe started as the 3rd or 4th string QB on the depth chart.

In 77, after injuries in the RRR, we had a 3rd string QB almost get is there.

Without Googling it I cannot tell you who our QB was in 1983. (Hey, I’m old.)

Colt was unbelievable, but a 3-star.
Gilbert was the next coming, but wasn’t.
James Brown? Simms?

My point is that aside from VY, I cannot name a super highly touted incoming QB for Texas that lived up to the expectations.

I would be thrilled if Arch Manning was that guy, but history (at Texas) has to make one wonder.
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Shea Morenz
 
dukesteer said:
Was thinking about this…

Aside from VY, what incoming program changing QB has lived up to the hype/expectations? Going back to the 60s, I’m not sure I can name one.

We won the natty in 69 with James Street, who I believe started as the 3rd or 4th string QB on the depth chart.

In 77, after injuries in the RRR, we had a 3rd string QB almost get is there.

Without Googling it I cannot tell you who our QB was in 1983. (Hey, I’m old.)

Colt was unbelievable, but a 3-star.
Gilbert was the next coming, but wasn’t.
James Brown? Simms?

My point is that aside from VY, I cannot name a super highly touted incoming QB for Texas that lived up to the expectations.

I would be thrilled if Arch Manning was that guy, but history (at Texas) has to make one wonder.
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I think mostly Moerschell, but split time with McIvor. It was Dodge's freshman year, but I don't think he played much or at all as a freshman.
 
SabreHorn said:
Creek,

Words fail me to give this post a civil reply. In previous eras, such a post would be worthy of a paid vacation to Algiers or Anahuac. The Mannings are nowhere near the problem of Phil Simms, a problem that Mack Brown handled very poorly.

Will the Manning family attend Arch's games ? Certainly

Will the Manning family fly in to "advise" Sark at practice? No way in hell.

The Mannings are a class act.
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Geez,SH that is a real dis for Anahuac
 
Run Pincher said:
I think mostly Moerschell, but split time with McIvor. It was Dodge's freshman year, but I don't think he played much or at all as a freshman.
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RP & McHammer, I should elaborate. My definition of living up to the hype would be either winning a NC or getting us the that game. On that basis, only VY qualifies as living up to the hype. Simms came close but frankly, Applewhite was a better clutch player IMO.
 
dukesteer said:
RP & McHammer, I should elaborate. My definition of living up to the hype would be either winning a NC or getting us the that game. On that basis, only VY qualifies as living up to the hype. Simms came close but frankly, Applewhite was a better clutch player IMO.
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Yeah, look at me. Came to HF with a lot of promise and high accolades, and you see the results.

:fiestanana:
 
Count me as a buyer at this point. Kid loves Sark.

IF

IF

IF

Sark gets this commitment. Manning is potentially the next Vince Young.... FWIW, in addition, a HF buddy also swears this to me.
 
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I am now of the opinion that Manning is a done deal. It would explain the positive atmosphere around the UT program despite the 4th quarter **** shows that happened back to back weekends.
 
Whole lotta gators around anahuac.
Not to be a downer, but a Longhorn great, IMO, Danny Lester lost his life in 1973 in a vehicle accident around Anahuac. He was a good one.

Arch Manning will have much better talent surrounding him in college that he doesn’t have in high school. I’m sure that’s why he isn’t lighting it up as a good number think he should each and every time out.

If he doesn’t sign with Texas, let the blame game and finger pointing begin.
 
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