America is lost...

[RainH2burntO]

Fascism...

Immigration policy? What is the law? What should Biden do now? Obama deported over 3 million people. Will Biden at least approach that? I know for a fact they are pouring over all the time in South Texas. And it will be worse unless the man in charge of ENFORCING OUR LAWS makes them remember our laws.

Police brutality? This did not start with Trump. Re: Serpico. Police corruption and abuse of minority communities is an old story. According to the Left it began Jan 1, 2017.

Lowering taxes?

Withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, so named (instead of treaty) because international treaties must be ratified by Congress?

White privilege campaign? Oh yeah, that came from the Left. Innocent white people were made to feel as if they were oppressors and the unfortunate emotional Left were enflamed to attack. Guess that's not it.

Cancel culture? Another leftist construct. A very real and destructive attack force that could cause someone to lose their entire career if they didn't speak in the politically correct manner.

#Metoo? Not for Biden

Antifa? The irony... a street terrorist group. I don't know how big it really is but it's clear the Mayors of Seattle and Portland would rather see their city in turmoil than dare question them.

Logic and reason is not alllowed, Bystander...only feelings and emotion.

I'd bet 90% of those on the left can't define nor exposit on it's history and current state of influence. It was, indeed, originally a far-right philosophy...but much of that changed with and after Nazi Germany.

The progressive left in America has now adopted more ideals and philosophy from those who previously held to fascist views than former right-wingers could dream of....and they have much in common.

And we all know up is down, down is up, left is right, and right is left now...

Don't bother trying to explain it.

 

[bystander]

Logic and reason is not alllowed, Bystander...only feelings and emotion.

I'd bet 90% of those on the left can't define nor exposit on it's history and current state of influence. It was, indeed, originally a far-right philosophy...but much of that changed with Nazi Germany.

The progressive left in America has now adopted more ideals and philosophy from those who previously held to fascist views than former right-wingers could dream of....and they have much in common.

And we all know up is down, down is up, left is right, and right is left now...

Don't bother trying to explain it.

I fully support Dr. King's views on unjust laws. And we know the Jim Crow era was saturated with them. I also understand the blow-back personified by Malcolm X and his soundbite: "By any means necessary."

But micro-aggressions are not to that level. By any means necessary has given them license to destroy anyone based upon how they feel.

That is what I believe.

 

[RainH2burntO]

I fully support Dr. King's views on unjust laws. And we know the Jim Crow era was saturated with them. I also understand the blow-back personified by Malcolm X and his soundbite: "By any means necessary."

But micro-aggressions are not to that level. By any means necessary has given them license to destroy anyone based upon how they feel.

That is what I believe.

What bothers me most about the unrest is, as far as I can see, most of these people are just angry...period. Their understanding is lacking and anger misplaced. Truth be known, 85% of what really drives their anger inside has little or nothing to do with whom or what it is directed at.

 

[bystander]

What bothers me most about the unrest is, as far as I can see, most of these people are just angry...period. Their understanding is lacking and anger misplaced. Truth be known, 85% of what really drives their anger inside has little or nothing to do with whom or what it is directed at.

I've thought long and hard about this. Stipulating that being white is an advantage, it fosters an inferiority complex analogous to what short people feel. Or unattractive people feel. It is a psychological hurdle based upon the belief that you have an obstacle that cannot be surmounted. So if that is now the collective psychological burden that they have woken to, then they are dealing with the transition phase of absolute frustration and anger. They feel the deck is stacked and they can't do anything about it, regardless of how hard they work or play the game.

My son was very short until around his junior year or so of high school when he shot up to about 5' 10" which pretty much eliminated height as an issue. But he still carries that "short/little guy" complex around because it was locked in during middle school when he was made fun of or was unable to compete with the boys for the girls. In middle school, the physical attributes of the boys are paramount because they don't have any real rap. So he had football players cut in on him during a dance. He once told me he felt inferior. I felt really bad for him but as I said he's grown. But I learned that what happens when you are young is virtually impossible to forget even if it no longer applies to you. It's an emotional hang-up that requires much work to overcome.

In the opposite, I know some grown women who were hot in middle/high school and act like they still are even though they've completely lost it. Their confidence was locked in due to the men drooling all over them. It's kind of interesting. They live in the past. As does my son.

For those who are not white, there is a problem to a degree. Does that mean the Constitution (general welfare clause?) is the remedy? Should laws be passed?

Oh yeah... affirmative action...

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Idk if anything will swing her anymore. We lived overseas, Japan, Italy and Iceland. She was never really happy. Her dream when I retired was to move close to her parents. I figured since I dragged her all over the US, overseas and she put up with all of my deployments I could sacrifice this for her. She has been a trooper and put up with alot of **** throughout the years. It is a dream of mine to go back to England but I have already lived my dream its her turn.

I can't hit all the "like" "winner" and "agree" buttons at the same time, so I'm just going to tell you I find this extremely admirable.

 

[WillUSAF]

I can't hit all the "like" "winner" and "agree" buttons at the same time, so I'm just going to tell you I find this extremely admirable.

thanks

 

[bystander]

Student debt cancellation already in focus amid President-elect Biden transition

And those of us families who paid it 100% ourselves can eat sh*t because we're privileged.

But not one word about how the brain-washing carter (our colleges and universities) are gouging our children. NOT. ONE. WORD.

Professors are socialists in the classroom and capitalists in the rest of their life. It's so bad... arrogant one-trick pony's. That's all they are.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

The election hasn't been certified, so the drooling old fool is not President-Elect.

 

[bystander]

@Mr. Deez

The woman who's article you posted the other day has resigned from The New York Times. Here is her eye-opening resignation letter and it's no surprise; the young Liberal zealots have taken over The Times and have called her a Nazi and a racist.

These are the future of America and I'm wondering when @Seattle Husker and @OUBubba are going to realize that their views are being sucked into the worst totalitarians imaginable.

Resignation Letter — Bari Weiss

 

[Mr. Deez]

Idk if anything will swing her anymore. We lived overseas, Japan, Italy and Iceland. She was never really happy. Her dream when I retired was to move close to her parents. I figured since I dragged her all over the US, overseas and she put up with all of my deployments I could sacrifice this for her. She has been a trooper and put up with alot of **** throughout the years. It is a dream of mine to go back to England but I have already lived my dream its her turn.

Another plus of living in England is you don't have to hear that voting for MPs or the PM is a rigged election like you do here. Its rather exhausting.

Totally understand. It sounds like she had earned the right to decide where to live. And if "Italy" means Aviano, you're not likely to sell her on a move. I hear that area is pretty damn impressive. If it didn't sell her, nothing will.

And I'd rather live with a happy wife in Antarctica than with a pissed off wife anywhere.

 

[Mr. Deez]

@Mr. Deez

The woman who's article you posted the other day has resigned from The New York Times. Here is her eye-opening resignation letter and it's no surprise; the young Liberal zealots have taken over The Times and have called her a Nazi and a racist.

These are the future of America and I'm wondering when @Seattle Husker and @OUBubba are going to realize that their views are being sucked into the worst totalitarians imaginable.

Resignation Letter — Bari Weiss

The Times is effectively being run by Nikole Hannah-Jones, the freak show who did the 1619 Project. Anyone who is openly hostile to critical race theory and doesn't excuse anti-semitism from Muslims is going to be on the **** list at the Times.

 

[WillUSAF]

Totally understand. It sounds like she had earned the right to decide where to live. And if "Italy" means Aviano, you're not likely to sell her on a move. I hear that area is pretty damn impressive. If it didn't sell her, nothing will.

And I'd rather live with a happy wife in Antarctica than with a pissed off wife anywhere.

Yes we were at Aviano and it is breathtaking.....AMEN that is why I live in NE Ohio now lol. Not the ideal retirement location but my wife is happy

 

[RainH2burntO]

Student debt cancellation already in focus amid President-elect Biden transition

And those of us families who paid it 100% ourselves can eat sh*t because we're privileged.

But not one word about how the brain-washing carter (our colleges and universities) are gouging our children. NOT. ONE. WORD.

Professors are socialists in the classroom and capitalists in the rest of their life. It's so bad... arrogant one-trick pony's. That's all they are.

This^^^^^^ is all about conditioning them while young and impressionable for a lifetime of votes for $$$$
It's worked so well to this point with minorities....time to expand the base

 

[nashhorn]

All the student loan crap really pisses me off and I readily admit it’s personal and selfish. The part of my daughters undergrad loans which I suspect would qualify we have busted our rear ends to pay and the ones remaining are for the law school, which we had to take out as parent loans. I am sure those would not be allowed.
I accept my the hypocrisy of my feelings on this but I just feel like if others are getting relief so should she.

 

[Chop]

Yes we were at Aviano and it is breathtaking.....AMEN that is why I live in NE Ohio now lol. Not the ideal retirement location but my wife is happy

Well, since NE Ohio it is for you, you might want to get into this:
"Steelhead Alley" NE Ohio up to Buffalo. Freshwater monsters.

Northeast Ohio OH Steelhead Fishing Guide Guided Trout Fishing OH Fly Fishing - a website geared to NE Ohio and the rest of Steelhead alley.

Back to the thread, one area that America has improved greatly since the 1970s -- water quality. All is not lost there.

 

[WillUSAF]

Well, since NE Ohio it is for you, you might want to get into this:
"Steelhead Alley" NE Ohio up to Buffalo. Freshwater monsters.

We have steelhead all over the place here. I love fishing for them! Those are montsers!

 

[theiioftx]

All the student loan crap really pisses me off and I readily admit it’s personal and selfish. The part of my daughters undergrad loans which I suspect would qualify we have busted our rear ends to pay and the ones remaining are for the law school, which we had to take out as parent loans. I am sure those would not be allowed.
I accept my the hypocrisy of my feelings on this but I just feel like if others are getting relief so should she.

My daughter will graduate in May. I plan to have her sign a note for the amounts I loaned her over the last four years substantiated by tuition bills. At a minimum, I should be able to write off the loan default/foregiveness, right?

 

[OUBubba]

@Mr. Deez

The woman who's article you posted the other day has resigned from The New York Times. Here is her eye-opening resignation letter and it's no surprise; the young Liberal zealots have taken over The Times and have called her a Nazi and a racist.

These are the future of America and I'm wondering when @Seattle Husker and @OUBubba are going to realize that their views are being sucked into the worst totalitarians imaginable.

Resignation Letter — Bari Weiss

I will take Biden’s version of “totalitarian regime” over where we were heading with trump. He’s a milk toast dem.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Student debt cancellation already in focus amid President-elect Biden transition

And those of us families who paid it 100% ourselves can eat sh*t because we're privileged.

But not one word about how the brain-washing carter (our colleges and universities) are gouging our children. NOT. ONE. WORD.

Professors are socialists in the classroom and capitalists in the rest of their life. It's so bad... arrogant one-trick pony's. That's all they are.

Why not...
It fits right in with their teaching against personal responsibility and earning your keep

 

[Seattle Husker]

These are the future of America and I'm wondering when @Seattle Husker and @OUBubba are going to realize that their views are being sucked into the worst totalitarians imaginable.

We've already proclaimed that. We've been trying to convince you to stop enabling Trump and his supporters but it's not working.

 

[bystander]

We've already proclaimed that. We've been trying to convince you to stop enabling Trump and his supporters but it's not working.

Ha... we need to sit down and list out, in a calm rational manner, what the problem really is...

And I'll start with this:

Three MSNBC contributors leaving network to join Biden administration

SICKENING.

 

[theiioftx]

Journalism has become a biased graft industry for politics. It no longer reports news. Across the board, Fox, CNN, ABC and CBS employ mostly politicians that drive biased news stories for party benefit while cashing in with jobs and book deals.

 

[Mr. Deez]

This^^^^^^ is all about conditioning them while young and impressionable for a lifetime of votes for $$$$
It's worked so well to this point with minorities....time to expand the base

All the student loan crap really pisses me off and I readily admit it’s personal and selfish. The part of my daughters undergrad loans which I suspect would qualify we have busted our rear ends to pay and the ones remaining are for the law school, which we had to take out as parent loans. I am sure those would not be allowed.
I accept my the hypocrisy of my feelings on this but I just feel like if others are getting relief so should she.

I understand being pissed about this. However, this is an issue on which the Right has been stupidly absent. For 20+ years, the federal and state governments have been actively enabling and helping colleges and universities rip off students and their families AGAINST the will of the free market. Republicans did nothing to stop it and frankly didn't give a **** basically because college students weren't a short term voting bloc or funding source for Republicans. So they ceded the issue to Democrats.

Not only did Democrats not care, they led the charge and helped create the problem, because it was a colossal benefit to college professors and administrators who are a funding source, voting bloc, and advocates for their ideology and party. Despite the Democrats promotion of the problem, they're viewed as having a "solution" to it, which is debt forgiveness. Of course, that's not a solution. In fact, all by itself, it probably makes the problem worse.

Nevertheless, it's a blown opportunity. It's a very clear example of government do-gooders trying to fix a problem that wasn't real, making it ten times worse than it even arguably was, and now looking to the taxpayer to put an enormously expensive band-aid on the problem while doing nothing to fix the underlying cause (which was the government do-gooders themselves), because it'll hurt their friends. It's something that should be very easy for conservatives to highlight as a failure of big government, but instead of doing that, we said, "screw 'em" and let the Left spin all sorts of ******** narratives about the issue to make themselves look good. They should be embarrassed at their failure, but instead, they're able to exploit the issue because of our ineptitude and sloppiness.

 

[bystander]

I will take Biden’s version of “totalitarian regime” over where we were heading with trump. He’s a milk toast dem.

Except that Biden is not the man you think you're getting. You're getting The Squad who arrogantly refuse to take the blame for what happened to the Democrats nationally, Warren, Beto, Sanders and AOC. Along with #BLM, they are DEMANDING that the progressive agenda (read RADICAL AGENDA) be honored. In her opinion piece Warren apparently demands that Biden BYPASS Congress, meaning UNLAWFUL EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

 

[Chop]

Well at least all those billions of $ and lavish spending on higher education went into the pockets of the previously underpaid and impoverished TAs, lecturers, etc.

 

[RainH2burntO]

I understand being pissed about this. However, this is an issue on which the Right has been stupidly absent. For 20+ years, the federal and state governments have been actively enabling and helping colleges and universities rip off students and their families AGAINST the will of the free market. Republicans did nothing to stop it and frankly didn't give a **** basically because college students weren't a short term voting bloc or funding source for Republicans. So they ceded the issue to Democrats.

Not only did Democrats not care, they led the charge and helped create the problem, because it was a colossal benefit to college professors and administrators who are a funding source, voting bloc, and advocates for their ideology and party. Despite the Democrats promotion of the problem, they're viewed as having a "solution" to it, which is debt forgiveness. Of course, that's not a solution. In fact, all by itself, it probably makes the problem worse.

Nevertheless, it's a blown opportunity. It's a very clear example of government do-gooders trying to fix a problem that wasn't real, making it ten times worse than it even arguably was, and now looking to the taxpayer to put an enormously expensive band-aid on the problem while doing nothing to fix the underlying cause (which was the government do-gooders themselves), because it'll hurt their friends. It's something that should be very easy for conservatives to highlight as a failure of big government, but instead of doing that, we said, "screw 'em" and let the Left spin all sorts of ******** narratives about the issue to make themselves look good. They should be embarrassed at their failure, but instead, they're able to exploit the issue because of our ineptitude and sloppiness.

Great take, Deez. You're onto something here.
I'm afraid your analysis of this^^^^ issue from a Republican perspective could be applied to quite a few other issues.
This is part of the core of conservative thought, though. I know I was raised this way.... the wife is of the same mindset, and our children we are raising will carry it, too.
We don't think to look to the government....but rarely, for answers. A true conservative doesn't see problems and think hey we need to get the government to do something about that- with some exceptions, of course. But a growing block of the population does...and this has any leadership of a conservative mindset (if there is any) walking a fine line.
Maybe Republicans should get back to being fiscally conservative as well as dropping the executive action and slick legislative and legal trickery they've adopted from the Dems and actually be conservative in those areas and take some of these "other" issues that the public can actually touch/feel/see if you will and involve themselves in providing solutions more instead.
I am not suggesting anything close to approaches offered by the Democrats....but, rather, prove that a willing and thoughtful party can provide intelligent, sustainable, creative, and effective solutions without throwing money away and perpetrating bad belief systems, lessons, and policy.

I'll add one more thing....in my view this^^^^ was the issue with Trump and covid. For me and my very conservative family, Trump handled covid perfectly. We don't want, need nor desire to depend on government for such things...nor do we expect them to be the solution provider for us ....and cannot relate to those who do. More often than not, government screws up whatever it touches...so....

 

[Clean]

Relax you guys. Living in a dystopian, socialist welfare state where white people are the unclean cast, entitled to none of the handouts they'll be doling out, won't be so bad.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Except that Biden is not the man you think you're getting. You're getting The Squad who arrogantly refuse to take the blame for what happened to the Democrats nationally, Warren, Beto, Sanders and AOC. Along with #BLM, they are DEMANDING that the progressive agenda (read RADICAL AGENDA) be honored. In her opinion piece Warren apparently demands that Biden BYPASS Congress, meaning UNLAWFUL EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

You're correct, By. They haven't woke up from their dream yet.
I see very little in these latest election results to support Ms. Warren's view. By most accounts ...unless you are in AOCs district or one where ballots appear in the night... there was generally a repudiation of these ^^^^ things. And most analysis from both sides of the aisle seem to support this...That's why some of the infighting and handwringing over there even after -supposedly- winning the WH. This gal is lost, as usual.
They never say die...I'll give 'em that.

 

[Sheldon Cooper]

Antifa and BLM are terrorist organizations.

Can Someone point me to an article or any bit of news that shows me that BLM has done one positive thing in the Black Community with all their billions of dollars they have been given? I'll wait...

 

[horninchicago]

Can Someone point me to an article or any bit of news that shows me that BLM has done one positive thing in the Black Community with all their billions of dollars they have been given? I'll wait...

I'm sure someone around here will link NYT, Huff Post, or an MSNBC clip. Those'll do, right?