Ags commit another no star!
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My personal opinions:
Scharnell, what Byrne's Sherman must do today, June 25, is to immediately reasign his 9 assistant coaches to other jobs.
!4 decommits last year that this staff couldn't re-recruit, plus the crap they've brought in this year after offering 39 four and five star players, clearly shows how incompetant and stupid these 9 hires really were by Byrne and Sherman.
Then today, June 25, hire 9 top recruiting assistants that have strong experience signing 4 and 5 star players.
Even at this late date, if you have to buy them and pay off existing contracts, its a drop in the bucket; just do it. Stoops and Brown have averaged signig 14 four and five star players each and every year this decade and A&M must do the same or better starting this year.
This current staff just knows getting non-bcs leftovers.
There are still plenty of uncommitted 4 and 5 star players still out there this year, and even this late, good experienced recruiters can turn top players around to us.
We have nothing to lose this year because all we have is 1 four star and 16 non-bcs players committed that will delute our squad.
If they leave, no big loss, just more roon to commit 4 and 5 star players both this year and next. It's much better to have open scholarship for 4 and 5 stars, than a filled scholarship with a leftover non-bcs player.
Saban hired 9 top experienced 4 and 5 star player recruiters, and signed 3 five star and 19 four star players his first year out of the NFL. Saban did this with no better W/L record than A&M and a similar budget.
Saban was just much smarter than Byrne and Sherman.
Weis hired 9 assistants that were top experienced 4 and 5 star recruiters, and signed 2 five star and 10 four star players his first year out of the NFL. Charlie actually had a worse W/L record than A&M, and he did it with a similar budget as A&M.
Weis was also just much smarter than Byrne and Sherman.
We cant get our 14 top decommits from last year back, but we could still sign mostly 4 and 5 star players both this year and then make up for it next year.
We will only delute A&M's football team with no 5 stars, 1 four star and 16 non-bcs players, so it wont hurt if everyone of them decommitted today.
Hope that answers your question.
miller58
Scharnell, what Byrne's Sherman must do today, June 25, is to immediately reasign his 9 assistant coaches to other jobs.
!4 decommits last year that this staff couldn't re-recruit, plus the crap they've brought in this year after offering 39 four and five star players, clearly shows how incompetant and stupid these 9 hires really were by Byrne and Sherman.
Then today, June 25, hire 9 top recruiting assistants that have strong experience signing 4 and 5 star players.
Even at this late date, if you have to buy them and pay off existing contracts, its a drop in the bucket; just do it. Stoops and Brown have averaged signig 14 four and five star players each and every year this decade and A&M must do the same or better starting this year.
This current staff just knows getting non-bcs leftovers.
There are still plenty of uncommitted 4 and 5 star players still out there this year, and even this late, good experienced recruiters can turn top players around to us.
We have nothing to lose this year because all we have is 1 four star and 16 non-bcs players committed that will delute our squad.
If they leave, no big loss, just more roon to commit 4 and 5 star players both this year and next. It's much better to have open scholarship for 4 and 5 stars, than a filled scholarship with a leftover non-bcs player.
Saban hired 9 top experienced 4 and 5 star player recruiters, and signed 3 five star and 19 four star players his first year out of the NFL. Saban did this with no better W/L record than A&M and a similar budget.
Saban was just much smarter than Byrne and Sherman.
Weis hired 9 assistants that were top experienced 4 and 5 star recruiters, and signed 2 five star and 10 four star players his first year out of the NFL. Charlie actually had a worse W/L record than A&M, and he did it with a similar budget as A&M.
Weis was also just much smarter than Byrne and Sherman.
We cant get our 14 top decommits from last year back, but we could still sign mostly 4 and 5 star players both this year and then make up for it next year.
We will only delute A&M's football team with no 5 stars, 1 four star and 16 non-bcs players, so it wont hurt if everyone of them decommitted today.
Hope that answers your question.
miller58
I think Miller is one of the Rivals guys on the Baylor site. He throws around "4-star" and "5-star" in every paragraph in every post but ignores every rating agency other than Rivals.
I haven't done the research to see whether Scout or Rivals does better in selecting its top 300 4 and 5 star level recruits.
For the record, Scout loves what Sherman is doing:
Cody Green (potential TAMU signee) is a 5-star by Scout, ranked #25 in the nation. Interestingly enough he's 1 spot ahead of Mack's 2009 QB signee.
Naron, Scales, Barrera are all 4 stars on the OL. Only one who isn't is the one Rivals rated a 4-star (Wade).
Brandal Jackson (new TAMU WR recruit) is a 4-star by Scout. Kenric McNeal (new TAMU WR/ATH recruit) is a 4-star by Scout. We're still in play for another couple of 4-stars in Uzoma and Darius Jones.
Its conceivable that 50% of TAMU's class of 2009 (assuming 24 signees) are 4 or 5 stars (on one of the scouting services)
Green (4 on rivals, 5 on scout)
Michael (4 on both)
Wade (4 on rivals)
Naron (4 on Scout)
Barrera (4 on Scout)
Scales (4 on Scout)
Uzoma (4 on both)
Jackson (4 on scout)
McNeal (4 on scout)
D Jones (4 on scout)
Judie (likely 4 on Rivals)
Thats 11 of 24 . We'll see where the final rankings land us, but its not a horrible class, especially on offense. The defensive side is rather bare.
I haven't done the research to see whether Scout or Rivals does better in selecting its top 300 4 and 5 star level recruits.
For the record, Scout loves what Sherman is doing:
Cody Green (potential TAMU signee) is a 5-star by Scout, ranked #25 in the nation. Interestingly enough he's 1 spot ahead of Mack's 2009 QB signee.
Naron, Scales, Barrera are all 4 stars on the OL. Only one who isn't is the one Rivals rated a 4-star (Wade).
Brandal Jackson (new TAMU WR recruit) is a 4-star by Scout. Kenric McNeal (new TAMU WR/ATH recruit) is a 4-star by Scout. We're still in play for another couple of 4-stars in Uzoma and Darius Jones.
Its conceivable that 50% of TAMU's class of 2009 (assuming 24 signees) are 4 or 5 stars (on one of the scouting services)
Green (4 on rivals, 5 on scout)
Michael (4 on both)
Wade (4 on rivals)
Naron (4 on Scout)
Barrera (4 on Scout)
Scales (4 on Scout)
Uzoma (4 on both)
Jackson (4 on scout)
McNeal (4 on scout)
D Jones (4 on scout)
Judie (likely 4 on Rivals)
Thats 11 of 24 . We'll see where the final rankings land us, but its not a horrible class, especially on offense. The defensive side is rather bare.
longhorn73
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so is miller58 a bear or an ag?
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My personal opinions:
Bundy, A&M had fourteen 4 and 5 star commits last year. They all were already sold on A&M, and the coaching staff.
Sherman couldn't even hold most of them, and A&M had 14 decommits that Sherman couldn't even re-recruit.
Remember the previous staff had a ranked top 5 recruiting class under Fran last year.
And your comparing Byrne's Sherman's no 5 stars, 1 four star and 16 other leftovers to Fran's recruiting?
Besides your funny math as mentioned in a previous post above, Sherman is only sniffing Fran's jock in recruiting so far,
The very best Sherman can do is get 25 non-bcs leftovers this year. and rank in the bottom part of recruiting's 25, based only on volume, not any quality; and this will only delute A&M's squad even more than he did with the last class.
Suggesting anything else is just silly.
miller58
Bundy, A&M had fourteen 4 and 5 star commits last year. They all were already sold on A&M, and the coaching staff.
Sherman couldn't even hold most of them, and A&M had 14 decommits that Sherman couldn't even re-recruit.
Remember the previous staff had a ranked top 5 recruiting class under Fran last year.
And your comparing Byrne's Sherman's no 5 stars, 1 four star and 16 other leftovers to Fran's recruiting?
Besides your funny math as mentioned in a previous post above, Sherman is only sniffing Fran's jock in recruiting so far,
The very best Sherman can do is get 25 non-bcs leftovers this year. and rank in the bottom part of recruiting's 25, based only on volume, not any quality; and this will only delute A&M's squad even more than he did with the last class.
Suggesting anything else is just silly.
miller58
TaylorTRoom
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FIGHTINTXAG
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WTF?
My personal opinions:
Bundy, if Kendall Wright is added to the list, then A&M actually had 15 decommits in the past year.
My complete list of 14 A&M decommits with name, star ranking, position, height, speed, weight and school committed to, may be accessed at SportingNews.com "Player Rankings Big 12" , comments page 1.
Some of the players you left off your list that decommittd A&M in the last year are:
safety Loston 5 star 6-2 193 4.4 to Clemson
oline Mitchell 3 star 6-7 305 5.0 to ou
rb Michael 4 star 5-11 195 4.45 to lsu (scholarship pending?)
Big last minute Sherman head to head:
linebacker Stephens 4 star 6-3 225 4.5 to ole miss
some 2 star reaches Sherman signed to replace Fran's 4 and 5 stars that decommtted under Byrne's Sherman:
lb R Cavanaugh 2 star
cbT. Frederick 2 star
s T. Hunter 2 star (now just made a 3 star)
The 3 players replaced part of Fran's 4 and 5 star players that Byrne's Sherman couldn't re-recruit.
And speaking of reaches that delute classes, Turgeon has just committed a 2 star forward to 08 and a couple of 3 stars to 09. The 2 star replaced BCG's 5 star in the 08 class.
Yet, there are tons of 4 and 5 star players in both football and basketball still uncommitted, out there.
Really sucking at recruiting seems to be catching at A&M?
miller58
Bundy, if Kendall Wright is added to the list, then A&M actually had 15 decommits in the past year.
My complete list of 14 A&M decommits with name, star ranking, position, height, speed, weight and school committed to, may be accessed at SportingNews.com "Player Rankings Big 12" , comments page 1.
Some of the players you left off your list that decommittd A&M in the last year are:
safety Loston 5 star 6-2 193 4.4 to Clemson
oline Mitchell 3 star 6-7 305 5.0 to ou
rb Michael 4 star 5-11 195 4.45 to lsu (scholarship pending?)
Big last minute Sherman head to head:
linebacker Stephens 4 star 6-3 225 4.5 to ole miss
some 2 star reaches Sherman signed to replace Fran's 4 and 5 stars that decommtted under Byrne's Sherman:
lb R Cavanaugh 2 star
cbT. Frederick 2 star
s T. Hunter 2 star (now just made a 3 star)
The 3 players replaced part of Fran's 4 and 5 star players that Byrne's Sherman couldn't re-recruit.
And speaking of reaches that delute classes, Turgeon has just committed a 2 star forward to 08 and a couple of 3 stars to 09. The 2 star replaced BCG's 5 star in the 08 class.
Yet, there are tons of 4 and 5 star players in both football and basketball still uncommitted, out there.
Really sucking at recruiting seems to be catching at A&M?
miller58
My personal opinions:
There ia no argument over A&M having only 1 four star and no 5 starplayers in the current football class.
There is no argument over A&M having no 4 star and no 5 star players in the current basketball class.
There is no argument that Byrne's Sherman and Byrne's Turgeon are losing us games in 2009, 10, 11, 12, and 13 because of their incompetant recruiting of 4 and 5 star players.
We are only taking the leftovers in these recruiting classes.
miller58
There ia no argument over A&M having only 1 four star and no 5 starplayers in the current football class.
There is no argument over A&M having no 4 star and no 5 star players in the current basketball class.
There is no argument that Byrne's Sherman and Byrne's Turgeon are losing us games in 2009, 10, 11, 12, and 13 because of their incompetant recruiting of 4 and 5 star players.
We are only taking the leftovers in these recruiting classes.
miller58
My personal opinions:
Cody Green is a great pickup. That means we have 2 four stars and 16 other leftovers in this class now?
With Stoops, Brown and lsu averaging 14 to 15 four and five star players or more each and every year this decade, A&M to consistantly compete, needs only 12 more four and five star players this year, 14 in 2010, 14 in 2011, 14 in 2012 qnd 14 in 2012,
Then we can at least consistantly compete to get out of the Big 12 South?
miller58
Cody Green is a great pickup. That means we have 2 four stars and 16 other leftovers in this class now?
With Stoops, Brown and lsu averaging 14 to 15 four and five star players or more each and every year this decade, A&M to consistantly compete, needs only 12 more four and five star players this year, 14 in 2010, 14 in 2011, 14 in 2012 qnd 14 in 2012,
Then we can at least consistantly compete to get out of the Big 12 South?
miller58
Miller 58 the word is out on Chris Henderson the DT from Carter (three star) looking around and may join the ranks of Loston as another aggy recruit decommit. What is your over/under of aggy decommits for this year 09 or is this some sort of ingenious game plan by Sherman the great to free up scholarships in order to bring in some 5 star studs?
My personal opinions:
okhorns, A&M 09 decommits over/under? Good question.
A&M has four 09 decommits now:
1. Loston to Clemson
2. Janisch to Rice
3. Brown
4. Michael to lsu (pending scholarship)
There is a reason that the national press ranked Byrne's Sherman as high as 8th ranked coach in the Big 12, and as high as 46th ranked coach out of 66 in the BCS.
Obviously, it wasn't on his recruiting, based on his p-poor performance in the last two classes.
Maybe the national press was ranking Byrne's Sherman that high, on decommits?
A&M already has the 4 decommits from the class of 09, but the sad/good truth is top D1 teams aren't going to come after the A&M recruiting class of UT, ou, and lsu non-bcs leftovers, we have now.
Other teams don't want non-bcs talent, so most, if not all of A&M commts are probably safe.
Now though, the smu's, la techs', Rices' and uh's, etc. of the world may come after A&M's class as they usually take these type of non-bcs leftovers, so I need to think about, how many Byrne's Sherman 09 decommits, for a little while?
Sorta relates back to when RC and Tim were losing those head to heads for non-bcs leftovers with smu, tcu, itt, gaylor and uh, before RC was fired.
You know, that produced the non-bcs 03 squad that had the red shirt seniors that RC had coached for four years, that led A&M to 0-77 the very next year.
The RC/Tim non-bcs squad that dropped our NFL draft to almost zero for 03, 04, 05, 06, and 07.
A&M just doesnt have enough talented commits this year, with only their non-bcs leftovers, to make most good teams even bother to negative recruit; however, if any talented players do exhist in this A&M class, the players themselves, will certainly look to get away from a sinking ship any way they can, on their own. (Henderson?)
Fran was building from the ground up, from RC and Tim's 03 non-bcs squad five year recruiting and coaching disaster.
And in the last two years, the previous staff raised, and had set the decade's bar up to a 9 win season, and an A&M 14 four and five star player committed season. ( 14 per Bundy additions above)
Byrne's Sherman doesn't even appear yet to be in Fran's league, so far as these bars are concerned.
Already two non-bcs recruiting class disasters, and a last 4-12 losing Green Bay season disaster as a head coach, for which the team saw no hope for the future and fired Byrne's Sherman..
We'll know just how badly Byrne's hire, Sherman compares to the 14 four and five star season commit bar, and the 9 season win bar that Fran set, the day after the Texas game this year.
Is Byrne's Sherman a winner or a whinner?
With an A&M squad that's been guaranteed to win the Big 12 this year since 2006, Byrne's Sherman had better have at a minimum, those 14 top commits, and the Big 12 south in hand on t+2; or Byrne and Byrne's Sherman are gone, period.
miller58
A&M a rebuilding and a winning season in 2006, and champs in 2008.
okhorns, A&M 09 decommits over/under? Good question.
A&M has four 09 decommits now:
1. Loston to Clemson
2. Janisch to Rice
3. Brown
4. Michael to lsu (pending scholarship)
There is a reason that the national press ranked Byrne's Sherman as high as 8th ranked coach in the Big 12, and as high as 46th ranked coach out of 66 in the BCS.
Obviously, it wasn't on his recruiting, based on his p-poor performance in the last two classes.
Maybe the national press was ranking Byrne's Sherman that high, on decommits?
A&M already has the 4 decommits from the class of 09, but the sad/good truth is top D1 teams aren't going to come after the A&M recruiting class of UT, ou, and lsu non-bcs leftovers, we have now.
Other teams don't want non-bcs talent, so most, if not all of A&M commts are probably safe.
Now though, the smu's, la techs', Rices' and uh's, etc. of the world may come after A&M's class as they usually take these type of non-bcs leftovers, so I need to think about, how many Byrne's Sherman 09 decommits, for a little while?
Sorta relates back to when RC and Tim were losing those head to heads for non-bcs leftovers with smu, tcu, itt, gaylor and uh, before RC was fired.
You know, that produced the non-bcs 03 squad that had the red shirt seniors that RC had coached for four years, that led A&M to 0-77 the very next year.
The RC/Tim non-bcs squad that dropped our NFL draft to almost zero for 03, 04, 05, 06, and 07.
A&M just doesnt have enough talented commits this year, with only their non-bcs leftovers, to make most good teams even bother to negative recruit; however, if any talented players do exhist in this A&M class, the players themselves, will certainly look to get away from a sinking ship any way they can, on their own. (Henderson?)
Fran was building from the ground up, from RC and Tim's 03 non-bcs squad five year recruiting and coaching disaster.
And in the last two years, the previous staff raised, and had set the decade's bar up to a 9 win season, and an A&M 14 four and five star player committed season. ( 14 per Bundy additions above)
Byrne's Sherman doesn't even appear yet to be in Fran's league, so far as these bars are concerned.
Already two non-bcs recruiting class disasters, and a last 4-12 losing Green Bay season disaster as a head coach, for which the team saw no hope for the future and fired Byrne's Sherman..
We'll know just how badly Byrne's hire, Sherman compares to the 14 four and five star season commit bar, and the 9 season win bar that Fran set, the day after the Texas game this year.
Is Byrne's Sherman a winner or a whinner?
With an A&M squad that's been guaranteed to win the Big 12 this year since 2006, Byrne's Sherman had better have at a minimum, those 14 top commits, and the Big 12 south in hand on t+2; or Byrne and Byrne's Sherman are gone, period.
miller58
A&M a rebuilding and a winning season in 2006, and champs in 2008.
My personal opinions:
UNTIL A&M's FOOTBALL CHALLENGED AD, HEAD COACH, and the FOOTBALL CHALLENGED 80+% LEARN THE BASIC FOOTBALL 101 LAW, " THAT EACH AND EVERY RECRUITING CLASS MUST HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF IT"S COMMITS BE 4 and 5 STAR PLAYERS, FOR A&M TO CONSISTANTLY BE A BCS CONTENDER ", A&M WILL BE CONSISTANTLY AT THE BOTTOM.
miller58
UNTIL A&M's FOOTBALL CHALLENGED AD, HEAD COACH, and the FOOTBALL CHALLENGED 80+% LEARN THE BASIC FOOTBALL 101 LAW, " THAT EACH AND EVERY RECRUITING CLASS MUST HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF IT"S COMMITS BE 4 and 5 STAR PLAYERS, FOR A&M TO CONSISTANTLY BE A BCS CONTENDER ", A&M WILL BE CONSISTANTLY AT THE BOTTOM.
miller58
TexanByChoice
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miller, your posts are terrible.
coolhorn
2,500+ Posts
My personal opinion miller...aggy's not doing all that bad right now, if they can hold on to the ones that have verballed to them. Start off with a top notch quarterback, some receivers, linemen...agricultural may not be up in Texas' league, but they could be a lot worse off in recruiting. Try looking at the glass half-full.
My personal opinions:
coolhorn, thanks but the half full glass Byrne, Sherman, and Turgeon are selling has floating material from a septic system in it.
The football challenged 80+% are drinkng it, 15 decommits last class, 17 low ranked commits in early July this class, and all.
Just no way I'm drinking that stuff.
miller58
coolhorn, thanks but the half full glass Byrne, Sherman, and Turgeon are selling has floating material from a septic system in it.
The football challenged 80+% are drinkng it, 15 decommits last class, 17 low ranked commits in early July this class, and all.
Just no way I'm drinking that stuff.
miller58
Per Scout:
3 4-star OL
3 4-star WR
We're likely going to land a 4-star RB in CMichael. We're likely going to land a 4-star or better QB (either Green or Mossakowski).
One could argue that Sherman's offensive recruiting class is a top 10 in the nation. In fact, I'm not sure how you couldn't make that arguement.
What is killing Sherman is the defenisve side of the ball. And make no mistake, it is KILLING him.
McFarland (in-state 5-star DT from a TAMU friendly program)
Howell (4-star Aggie lean, spurned at a junior day)
Loston (one time TAMU commit, 5-star safety with friends on the team, lost to Clemson of all places)
Allen (4-star LB lost to Texas)
Wort (4-star LB lost to OU)
Mahoney (4-star LB lost to OU)
Davis (4-star DB lost to Texas)
Okafor (4 star DE lost to Texas)
Brockers (4 star DE lost to LSU)
Brent (4 star S, likely headed to OU)
Williams (4 star DB, lost to OU)
Whiff^11 on the top 11 defensive players in state.
3 4-star OL
3 4-star WR
We're likely going to land a 4-star RB in CMichael. We're likely going to land a 4-star or better QB (either Green or Mossakowski).
One could argue that Sherman's offensive recruiting class is a top 10 in the nation. In fact, I'm not sure how you couldn't make that arguement.
What is killing Sherman is the defenisve side of the ball. And make no mistake, it is KILLING him.
McFarland (in-state 5-star DT from a TAMU friendly program)
Howell (4-star Aggie lean, spurned at a junior day)
Loston (one time TAMU commit, 5-star safety with friends on the team, lost to Clemson of all places)
Allen (4-star LB lost to Texas)
Wort (4-star LB lost to OU)
Mahoney (4-star LB lost to OU)
Davis (4-star DB lost to Texas)
Okafor (4 star DE lost to Texas)
Brockers (4 star DE lost to LSU)
Brent (4 star S, likely headed to OU)
Williams (4 star DB, lost to OU)
Whiff^11 on the top 11 defensive players in state.
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