Ags commit another no star!

[quote[Miller and Bundy - isn't it obvious that Dollar Bill has put his focus on women sports? He's done a damn good job too.

 
My personal opinions:

Bundy is comming around, possibly even to the real world of sports.

Shame, if young Ags just didn't get their young football and basketball challenged skulls of mush overwhelmed with the professional athletic department surrogate spinners absolute bs, things like the last 10 years and now the next 10 years wouldn't be allowed to happen.

The Ag blog's spinners always attack, but never defend the present facts except with bs fairyland future stories. Well fairyland a past decade of non bcs teams, and a future decade of non bcs teams onthe field with these proven incompetant losers in hiring, recruiting and coaching.

The only problem with Bundys statenent is Byrne "will" go down in history as a loser if Sherman screws up.

The corrected statement is Byrne "has" already gone down in history as a loser because he and Sherman both lost 14 decommits; and Sherman led winners with Farve at Green Bay downhill so fast, he was fired, proving he can't coach!

1. A&M's 14 decommits while Byrne just fiddled and the negative recruiters had their way is a proven loser. A Normal experienced AD would have anticipated this; and have said and done the things to stop this. An incompetant loser didn't.

2 Sherman, not stopping the decommits, his hiring, and recruiting, is also a proven incompetant previously fired loser.

3 Sherman, now at NO five stars, only One four star, and now up to nine leftover NO stars in the current recruiting class, is already a proven incompetant coach and a previously fired loser

4 Turgeon up to NO five stars, and NO four stars in the current bball recruiting class is a proven loser as well as taking BCG's talent and coaching it down.

5 Turgeon's season record and ncaa record was way below par for the winning BCG talent he inherited and squandered; his coaching absolutely sucked!

6. Sherman inherited the talented rs juniors and seniors, that as rs fish and sophs, led A&M to 9 wins and within one field goal of beating ou, and playing in the Big 12 champ game for a bcs bowl. They are all back this year, with talented experienced rs fish and sophs now backing them up. All RC's recruited leftovers finally finished just this last season

. This talented team will win the Big 12 and go to a bcs bowl provided Sherman isn't a loser as an on the field coach as well.
But wait, he couldn't coach winning talent, was fired and a new coach immediately won at Green Bay with the same talent.


7. A&M must. at a minimum, meet or exceed the bar set the last two years when A&M actually committed 13 four and five star players. and won 9 games. Or we're just going backward to an RC early decade level again with some of RC's clones.

These three are all already proven losers, will be gone immediately after losing the Texas Games, first in football and then in basketball,

Byrne, Sherman and Turgeon are alredy proven incompetant losers in hiring , in recruiting only leftovers, and in game day coaching.

Green Bay didn't fire Sherman because they saw him as a coach to lead them in the future to win, even with Farve. Sherman only led them downhill from winners, to losing, and was fired for it!


The next coach immediately won at Greenbay.


Things will improve at A&M in more than men's hopscotch, women's jacks and the like, once these three incompetant losers are gone after their final incompetant results this season.


Young Ags will soon wise up to the athletic departments paid/unpaid surrogates spinning bs and not the truth on the Ag blogs; I can only hope? Remember most of them aren't Ags and very obviously don't believe in any honor code about telling lies.


miller58
 
My personal opinions:


HMFIC, absolutely no question about it.

$Bill, Sherman and Turgeon will be gone after the Texas losses in their respective sports this season.

miller58
 
You guys are being too hard on Aggy. Shermie has to put somebody out there on the field. Besides, Aggy has always enjoyed a spirited competition with Baylor. This commitment should facilitate such.
 
If Byrne was strong-armed by the TAMU high-dollar alumni, then he's a ***** (pardon my French, but that is the best term I could come up with that accurately describes things). WHo the hell likes making all the little nickle and dime decisions only to be frozen out when the big moment comes? Other than a *****, I mean.
 
Now that Rivals has ranked most players, aggy has:
Four Stars - 1
Three Stars - 8
No Stars - 0 (the juco)

Texas, btw, has:
Five Stars - 1
Four Stars - 11
Three Stars - 7

OU, for those interested, has:
Four Stars - 4
Three Stars - 9

In other words, according to Rivals, Texas has put together a better class than aggy and OU combined.

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My personal opinions:

Just about everybody is recruiting better than A&M. I'd trade all 10 of our coaches, Byrne, RC and Cassidy for just 1 decent coach that is a recruiter of 4 and 5 star payers.

With 14 decommits and then this class, we've blown all the progress that Fran had made.

We'll be no better off than when RC was fired, after this season.

With some 75 offers, including most all of the four and five star players that UT, ou and lsu committed, A&M just absolutely sucks.

I can't imagine what Byrne was thinking when he oversaw the hiring of 10 football coaches whose combined resumes showed that they had signed only 2 four star players in the previous 5 years. Can you?

miller58
 
My personal opinions:

How could A&M suck more in recruiting than 14, mostly 4 and 5 star players, decommitting in the last year; and out of 75 offers this year, losing each and ever head to head battle, about 20 of them,, for 4 and 5 star players, with UT, ou and lsu in the current class?

And coaching? How could any coach take a Mike Holmgren coached championship team led by Brett Frave, and run it into the ground so bad that GreenBay saw absolutely no hope for the future and fired him? Sherman's replacement almost immediately won again with the same players !

Your hopes and dreams for A&M to suck for years to come are already here, because when these two Byrne's Sherman recruiting classes delute our squad in 2009, we'll go to the bottom tier of the Big 12, and be a non bcs team for years.

miller58
 
So is Sherman not even going after 4 and 5 star players or is he going after them and losing out to other coaches? The guys on TexAgs seem to think Sherman is doing a fine job with the '09 class.
 
My personal opinions:

A&M has offered 20 or more of the 23 four and five star players that UT, lsu and ou have committed.

RC's boy, Byrne's Sherman has lost each and every head to head battle with UT, lsu and ou for these talented players.

A&M is getting only the leftovers after TU, lsu and ou get the top talent and the picks of the litter.

With Byrne creating the uncertainty distraction last year, we lost 14 decommits; especially critical a 5 star safety decommit, a four star safety dcommit, a four star corner back decommit, a three star corner decommit, a four star linebacker decommit, another four star linebacker decommit, and a three star linebacker decommit,

All three linebackers could run 4.5 or better and all 4 db's were 4.5/ sub 4,5 players. This would have been the leaders of our wrecking crew for the next five years.

So Byrne and Byrne's Sherman (b.s. for short) have decimated two classes in a row now.

When these two classes delute our squad in 2009, all the ground made up by Fran on the RC/ Cassidy five year recruiting folly, will have been lost and A&M will be a bottom tier non bcs team on Kyle field for years to come.

As far as the A&M blogs and what the football challanged 80+% write, forget it; just 100% bias! True factual posts are often immediately deleted, and only posts bias one way are allowed. A lot of athletic department surrogate spin (lies) are often allowed. Example; A&M is really putting the emphasis on recruiting with the hiring of coach x ( repeated about 10 times in some form, each time a coach was hired)

I recently posted a one line resume for each of the 10 new coaches, it was immediately deleted, and I was banned from that blog. Example of post; Coach x, school,position, years experience, 4 and 5 star players signed; 2006-0, 05-0, 04-0, 03-1, 02-0.

Of course to list 10 A&M coaches one line resumes showing that they had recruited only 2 four star players for the last 5 years was a bannable offense? Although 100% true and factual, it was not consistant with athletic department spin and blog owners bias.

I have personally received an email from an Ag blog owner stating that "we know that what you posted is the truth, but we'd rather you not post it."

When you have former college and pro level players posting who have never earned the first dollar calling a pro play, recruiting a college player, preparing a game plan, or even attending a quarterback meeting, you have to realize that they don't know crap about 99% of football, except the executing what they are "told to do" part, at one or two positions

As far as Sherman doing a good job, as far as the Ag Blogs are concerned;100% bias; Sherman is RC's boy and forner line coach, and last I heard, a former RC Ag pro lineman owned a majority of one of the Ag blogs, a tight circle, for an example of why the truth might be 100% bias one way.

How many Ag students or former students do you think understand this incest exists between the coaches, blogs, athletic department and their surrogates?

miller58

A&M a rebuilding and a winning season in 2006 and champs in 2008.
 
Well, I think the success Byrne has had in women's sports and Olympic sports has clouded the judgment of most A&M fans. That's all well and good at a lot of places, but at a school like A&M, you're nothing if you are not consistently good at football. And what I don't think a lot of A&M fans understand is that "good" does not mean upsetting Texas twice in 8 years. It doesn't matter at all if that's one of only 7 games your'e winning on a 13-game schedule.

The problem with hiring a guy like Sherman is that his reputation is not enough to sell him. He's going to have to start winning football games immediately. Not in a year or two years or whenever he gets "his players" into the system. If he doesn't put together an impressive season in 2008, I don't think he has a shot at competing with the coaches in this area (Brown, Stoops, Miles, etc.) for recruits over the long-term.

I think if Sherman can prove that he's a developer of talent and can get guys into the NFL, it will help some with recruiting. But A&M is not USC, where even the backups get drafted. It's going to take winning football games and championships to get that kind of label on your program, not merely winning 7 or 8 games a year and saying "at least it's an improvement."

It took Mack Brown 4 years to nab a rockstar recruiting class (though he certainly was putting together above average classes before then) and 8 years to win a conference title and a national title. And this is a coach who started winning immediately, has averaged 10 wins a year for a decade, has put an ungodly number of players into the NFL, and already had a lot of recruiting know-how when he first got to Austin.

Sherman certainly does not fit the bill as a recruiter so far. Occasionally, you'll find a 3 star kid who turns into a top player for your team and a steal in the NFL draft (Brian Robison is a good Texas example). But you're not going to find 8 of them in one class. Time will tell if Sherman can at least manage to use Fran's players to put some wins on the board early on.
 
My personal opinions;

You are 100% right in everything you say. Especially about the UT games; hell, I want to win two mnc games in football, not hopscotch.

The verdict is already in on Byrne and Sherman as far as recruiting after the last and current classes debacle.

Sherman coached extremely poorly at Green Bay for the talent he had, and was fired. I know as well as anyone that at A&M he has great experienced well backed up talent in the 2008 window. If he screws this season up, both he and Byrne are gone the day after Texas game, period.

And same for Turgeon. He under achieved coaching the great talent last season and has committed no 4 and 5 stars in this class, just others.

If Turgeon coaches as bad this season as last and prove he can't recruit 4 and 5 stasr players, he is gone, too.

I'm sure you can agree that they will both have had adequate final opportunities after this season to prove that they aren't incompetant hires, as they now appear to be.

I'm a different Ag. I expect competant hires and the resulting fast track mnc path in football and basketball. If someone is out of their league and can't get results, simply get someone that can show results. Don't keep incompetant misfits, or run a five year on the job training program producing non bcs teams to watch on Kyle Field every year.

miller58
 
My personal opinions:

At last count, Byrne's Sherman had offered 75 recruits, 39 of them were 4 and 5 star players, and so far has 1 four star commit and no five stars. Sherman has also committed 12 other non bcs level players.

Looks like Byrne's Sherman is flunking recruiting 101, and Ags will continue to watch non bcs teams on Kyle Field for at least the next 5 years until a change is made.

Even my grandmother knows that Byrne's Sherman is an incompetant hire.

miller58
 
miller, I believe Sherm has added three 3 stars in the last two days. One of them was even a Texas 100 guy, I believe. Things are looking up - you're grabbing them before UH can.
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Sherman is finally landing the "next tier down" guys. About the best you could hope for given the legit stud players are all committed elsewhere.

TAMU looks to be headed to its familiar recruiting position of 15-20 in the final rankings, 5-6 4 stars, and a host of 3 star players.
 
Miller 58 is a rarity ---- a wise ag that clearly understands the recruiting game. If they replace $Bill with Miller 58 we are in a heap of trouble
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My personal opinions:

Note; This post immediately deleted from an Ag blog on 6-20; so you are not allowed to read this, if you are a football challenged 80+%'er or an Ag former student !

A&M needs me.

If offered, I would gladly accept.

If elected, I would gladly serve.

I must be given a free hand, complete hire and fire authority from AD to the current spin machine, complete independence, no butt kissing, a budget increase of up to 30% (more or less) for 9 new assistant coaches only, 100% financial support for any buyouts necessary, and I could clean up this mess in 30 days, have us completely on tract in 12 months, and competing for a Big 12 title in 5 seasons and an mnc in 7 seasons .

Can't move any faster because the 08 and 09 recruiting classes are already blown, so we'd essentially be starting with the 2010 recruiting class and they'd start winning as red shirt sophs in 2012.

My platforn would be change. I would immediately get Sherman the help he needs to be successful; 9 assistant coaches that have experience in recruiting 4 and 5 star players.

Each coach would be required to sign 2 four and five star players each year.

Achieve this or more, and get a 10% bonus each year plus annual raises; miss this minimum target, and goodby.

Sherman would be evaluated this fall, a stay or go decision would be finalized the day after the Texas game. With 9 new recruiting assistants, he's probably a keeper, but may not want to stay under these circumstances.

Not seeing that Sherman got good recruiting assistants, and the 14 high ranked decommits was Byrne's responsibility; and he royally screwed up A&M's future for years to come.


Byrne and Turgeon would be evaluated, and a stay or go decision after the final basketball game this season.

My compensation would be $1.00 per year, auto, plane at my disposal, an unlimited expensive expense account, and any incurred federal income taxes covered.

I love A&M.

miller58

A&M a rebuilding and a winning season in 2006 and champs in 2008.
 
This is hilarious. You're completely discounting a coach before he has played a single game because of what some website says about kids that aren't even in college yet. Stars aren't everything. You act like A&M would win some prize if recruiting was going better. On the field is everything. Just ask Kansas, Boise St., or even Fresno St. in baseball this year.
 
My personal opinions;

UTgradSchoolAg, once again a charter member of the football challenged 80+% has shown why they can't post three sentences in a row without contradicting themselves. Are you just a bookworm?

STARS are everything to consistant winning in football and basketball, period. MNC winning coaches have been repeatedly quoted that coaching only wins about 10% of games, and up to 90% of games are won at the time when high school players are recruited.

Mack Brown win's 10 games every year as a good local example.

Les Miles was absolutely nothing at osu. He inherited Saban's 85 players with numerous 4 and 5 stars at lsu, and suddenly for the next five years he has these players and he's an MNC coach.

It's like RC inherited Jackies' winning players and for the next five years won with Jackies' players,, but once on his own, we had five years of droppng almost to no NFL draft choices as a result of the last five years of his and Tim's recruiting. Then RC personally coached the red shirt seniors for 4 years that led us to 0-77 the next year.

Barry Switzer has been quoted that it's just who had the best best players that win's mnc's. Coaching is the same at that level.

I said I'd give Byrne's Sherman until the day after the Texas game, and Byrne the day after the Byrne's Turgeon basketball season.


A&M is guaranteed to win the Big 12 this year if Byrne's Sherman doesn't screw it up with his coaching.


But they've both shown already that they are loser leftover 2 and 3 star recruiters that will get A&M barely in the recruiting 25 every year. A&M's future is not with them; so why procrastinate?

If a football coach has proven for two recruiting classes in a row, that he is completely inept at what MNC head coaches say wins up to 90% of your ganes, recruiting out of high school, then you are just too football challenged, if you don't act now.

And an AD that hires this kind of an inept recruiting individual in both football and basketball is too football and basketball challenged to keep on the job now.

Isn't Byrne's mouth creating a major distraction resulting in 14 decommits enough, and his following inaction that let the negative recruiters have their way, enough for you. A&M lost amomg others, 3 linebackers, 2 four star and a three star, all with 4.5 speed; and 4 defnsive backs, a five star, 2 four star and a three star all with 4.5/sub 4.5 speed, just due to Byrne's major distractions and followup inaction.


Or isn't Byrne's Sherman's inability to re-recruit these 14 high ranking 4 and 5 star players , that had already been sold on A&M and the previous coaching staff, enough for you.

Or does it take Byrne's Sherman current class of committing no 5 stars, one four star player and 14 other non-bcs players, to convince you.

Or as a student, did you just like seeing a non-bcs level team on Kyle Field every year at A&M? If you did, then A&M would have been better served if you had done your undergrad work at UT, too.

While you're learning, remember that none of the players, high school, college, pro attend coaches quarterback meetings where they are taught play calling stratagyfor each game. so their play calling comments are often a joke All these players, other than quarterbacks, are just told their simple execution assignment when a play is called on the practice field and expected to do as told.

One of the biggest reason these players are not included, is coaches tell their quarterbacks that player x can't run block so don't run over his position, or player y can't catch, so don't throw to him, etc., get it?

A&M's current recruiting also gets us in the bottom half of the Big 12 south in both sports, and out of the top 25 every year for a decade, but as a member of the 80+%, this is a revelation to you?

miller58

A&M a rebuilding and a winning season in 2006, and champs in 2008.
 
Stick to football. You dont know enough about basketball to even make trollish posts about recruiting for it.
 

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