2024 Trump Transition

Good things like banning types of food? Where's the conservatism in that?
Kennedy is not “conservative” by any measure. I assume (but how do I know?) that you use conservative in this context as a metric on the sliding scale between the most and the least governmental interference in the free market. I am more conservative than most, but not libertarian, so the sliding scale stops for me at some point. But besides that, many/most of our industries are already an entanglement between government regulation and industry lobby, and licensing and approval already eliminate a completely free market. I think our food and drug industries use the government to their ends without much consumer or public responsibility. So, having some of that challenged is okay with me at this point. I mean, Ralph Nader wasn’t wrong on everything he did. Still, the other thing I was saying is that at some point, Kennedy will become like Fauci, full of his own power, and hopefully Trump will fire him at that point.
 
Pam Bondi for AG? I think I like her though I don’t know that much about her other than Florida and Trump ally in BS impeachment .
 
Pam Bondi for AG? I think I like her though I don’t know that much about her other than Florida and Trump ally in BS impeachment .
Bondi should have been the pick in the first place. Trump owed Gaetz something so he nominated him to a position that he was unqualified for (no trial experience, not public safety experience the major two issues) knowing he would never be confirmed. Bondi should sail through.
 
Liked, but never thought Gaetz would survive severe scrutiny.

Biondi is a GREAT pick IMHO. She will be the aggressive bulldog Trump needs as AJ!!

Gaetz will get another important role in Trump admin.
 
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I haven't followed RFJjr yet but will.
The one example I saw was him questioning why Froot Loop sold in USA have harmful artificial dyes and perservatives while those in Canada do not. The data on the harm these dyes and perservatives do to children is frightening. Kellog promised it would stop using them years ago but hasn't.
Why would there be anything political about banning a product known to be harmful to children?

Almost everything is harmful to children if the child consumes enough of it - even water. I'm not a Fruit Loops defender. I didn't even like it that much as a kid. My folks virtually never bought sweet cereal. I was stuck with Grape Nuts, corn flakes, and shredded wheat, which tasted like rope. But on the rare occasion in which I got it, I went for Peanut Butter Capt. Crunch.

Nevertheless, millions of kids eat Fruit Loops without problem and have for decades. It's clearly not a major health threat, other than from the sugar, and even that isn't a problem in moderation. Rather than having some big federal agency ban it, I'd rather let parents make their own judgment on the matter and keep the courts open for the rare occurrence in which a kid actually gets harmed by it. That's the balance that protects kids and keeps from having a nanny state.
 
Is he calling for banning foods? That's not something I've heard.

Food additives and colorants, etc ? Yes. And he has my blessing to pursue those bans

Wow. I didn't know so many of you wanted to go the way of Canada and the European Union and have an army of bureaucrats making decisions about what you can and cannot eat. Seems out of place for a bunch alleged conservatives and Brexit supporters.

And it's wild. The same people who ripped Michelle Obama for campaigning for kids to eat less sugar (even though that really is hurting them and she was just suggesting it as a PR campaign) are cool with a professional nanny doing it on something far less of a problem and with the full force of federal law. It's amazing what partisanship will do to someone's ideology and policy preferences.
 
Kennedy is not “conservative” by any measure. I assume (but how do I know?) that you use conservative in this context as a metric on the sliding scale between the most and the least governmental interference in the free market. I am more conservative than most, but not libertarian, so the sliding scale stops for me at some point.

I'm not a libertarian either, but you don't need to be a libertarian to not want a heavy-handed regulator to start banning products that millions of people have been eating for decades without incident.

But besides that, many/most of our industries are already an entanglement between government regulation and industry lobby, and licensing and approval already eliminate a completely free market. I think our food and drug industries use the government to their ends without much consumer or public responsibility. So, having some of that challenged is okay with me at this point.

Yes, they do. Conservatives used to say that agency capture was better addressed by deregulation, not by having a more aggressive regulator. If we followed this approach, we would have expanded the Civil Aeronautics Board in the '70s and would have nationalized the airline industry by now.

I mean, Ralph Nader wasn’t wrong on everything he did.

No, he wasn't. However, using an open court system to compensate those actually harmed where evidence is freely challenged in public and subject to appellate review is different from having regulators in DC aggressively picking and choosing what's on grocery store shelves and usually without meaningful review.

Still, the other thing I was saying is that at some point, Kennedy will become like Fauci, full of his own power, and hopefully Trump will fire him at that point.

Trump didn't fire Fauci. I don't see why you assume he'd fire RFK, Jr.
 
I'm not a libertarian either, but you don't need to be a libertarian to not want a heavy-handed regulator to start banning products that millions of people have been eating for decades without incident.
Define "without incident".

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the additives in processed foods Americans eat are one of the culprits behind our chronic disease-ridden state, our morbid obesity problem (which magnifies the chronic diseases), and our insatiable need for big pharma to come to our rescue with another chemical they sing show tunes about in their ubiquitous commercials.

The bottom line, which Kennedy attacks well, is that our regulatory agencies for food and drugs are NOT over-reaching, but are in fact jumping in bed with corporate agriculture, "food" processors, and pharmaceutical makers. There is legitimate mechanism for the government to regulate these industries, but the bureaucrats have instead kissed their moneyed asses to the detriment of the people.

Just look at the incestuous relationship between higher-ups at the FDA, etc., and the boards of directors of the companies they are supposed to regulate. If you're a good little bureaucrat and take the money and trust our own in-house testing, why, I'm sure we will have a place for you when our membership on the board needs filling...
 
Maybe that was the thinking? Reward Gaetz for loyalty. Gonna be hard for media/Demz to bash Bondi.
I do hope Gaetz ends up ok too
MSDNC actually had a Dem on last night that worked with Bondi. Had been appointed to head up an opioid task force. That will take the wind out of the sails of many of the hacks...

The true loons are still going to loon...
 
Given how the CDC and NIH lied during Covid, it is past time to look into all health related agencies. I’m not for NYC type bans, but the public should be warned about what is in the food and who is profiting with their oversight. I want a full financial audit of Fauci to start.
 
I'm not a Fruit Loops defender. I didn't even like it that much as a kid. My folks virtually never bought sweet cereal. I was stuck with Grape Nuts, corn flakes, and shredded wheat, which tasted like rope. But on the rare occasion in which I got it, I went for Peanut Butter Capt. Crunch.
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Define "without incident".

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the additives in processed foods Americans eat are one of the culprits behind our chronic disease-ridden state, our morbid obesity problem (which magnifies the chronic diseases), and our insatiable need for big pharma to come to our rescue with another chemical they sing show tunes about in their ubiquitous commercials.

The bottom line, which Kennedy attacks well, is that our regulatory agencies for food and drugs are NOT over-reaching, but are in fact jumping in bed with corporate agriculture, "food" processors, and pharmaceutical makers. There is legitimate mechanism for the government to regulate these industries, but the bureaucrats have instead kissed their moneyed asses to the detriment of the people.

Just look at the incestuous relationship between higher-ups at the FDA, etc., and the boards of directors of the companies they are supposed to regulate. If you're a good little bureaucrat and take the money and trust our own in-house testing, why, I'm sure we will have a place for you when our membership on the board needs filling...

You're making the case that we've had agency capture at the FDA, and I'm sure we have. We disagree on the remedy. A liberal says to make the FDA more powerful and aggressive. A conservative says to weaken or eliminate the agency and accordingly, the capturing.
 
You're making the case that we've had agency capture at the FDA, and I'm sure we have. We disagree on the remedy. A liberal says to make the FDA more powerful and aggressive. A conservative says to weaken or eliminate the agency and accordingly, the capturing.
And a common sense centrist says make the agency truly independent and antagonistic, rather than obsequious and incestuous.
 
Knowing what we know about the long term effects of certain additives that are still be added to foods eaten primarily by children
And knowing companies like Kellogs stated in 2015 they would discontinue those additives but have not
Who should have the role of enforcing consequences?
 

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