2024 GOP Primary

I tried to apply the "becomes positive national figure "after serving a President to other recent admins
Found plenty of national figures or at least who stayed in public eye
Positive ? Not so much
 
theiioftx said:
Nobody who works for Trump becomes a positive national figure afterwards. Name one.
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Good Lord, find someone from the Obama, Clinton or Biden administration with a positive reputation. Name recognition, yes positive reputation, no.

This is not a singular Trump issue.
 
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Thank you 6721, we all have our opinions, the divergence of and acceptance of, different opinions, is what makes America Great. While theiioftx and I might disagree (see above), I think we can come to some agreement.
 
You see former Bush, Clinton, and Obama officials still active nationally in politics, media and other areas.

For Trump, you basically have Kayleigh McEnany and Sarah Huckabee who were both great press secretaries. And we see what Trump said about McEnany. Haley survived the first round for Trump, but I think she recognizes that being tied to Trump is not positive for one’s career. I guess at least she isn’t under indictment. I realize none of it is necessarily fair, but it is what it is.

The fact is, if Trump wins the primary, democrats will remain in the White House in 2024.
 
utahorn said:
Respectfully disagree. Not sure who the Dims will run and beat Trump, DeSantis, et al.
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uta, you could run as the dem and beat Trump. He just cannot motivate all of the Republicans, much less the Independents. dems vote as a block so their candidate is assured of 34-36% of the vote so all they need is 12% of the Independent vote to win. Hard for any other candidate to generate that type of base so the Republicans will need to garner over 20% of the Independent vote - Trump cannot do that.
 
ViperHorn said:
uta, you could run as the dem and beat Trump. He just cannot motivate all of the Republicans, much less the Independents. dems vote as a block
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This is the issue and I agree. How do we overcome this issue? Republicans and Independents do not stick with each other like Democrats. Democrat breaks the law? Nothing to see here, move along. Biden's anyone?
 
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ViperHorn said:
Republicans will need to garner over 20% of the Independent vote - Trump cannot do that.
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...which is precisely the reason the GOP needs to move on from DJT. If DJT is the nominee, the Dems will win the White House (and who knows how long the coattails might be downballot).
 
I do not agree that nominating the DJT will doom the Republican party in 2024. While he is not the ideal candidate (stop me if you have heard this before) he is THE candidate we need.
 
ViperHorn said:
uta, you could run as the dem and beat Trump. He just cannot motivate all of the Republicans, much less the Independents. dems vote as a block so their candidate is assured of 34-36% of the vote so all they need is 12% of the Independent vote to win. Hard for any other candidate to generate that type of base so the Republicans will need to garner over 20% of the Independent vote - Trump cannot do that.
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I suspect AOC or Kamel could beat Trump. You think cheating was bad on 2020, wait til Trump is the GOP nominee again. There will be people that came over on the Mayflower voting D. Probably some of those down in the Titanic too.

Also, never underestimate the power of minority TV. Just watch a few min of Spanish or Asian TV. Trump is more evil that Charles Manson, and they're naive enough to believe it all. I have a couple of minority friends that will say, "my people are idiots", but it's rare. I don't know how Trump can overcome the attacks and negativity from the MSM, much less the votes of 10 million dead people.

I know that for a fact because my father witnessed people going to the cemetery and taking names off headstones and putting them on ballots back when Johnson was running.
 
It's just my opinion, but the Dobbs decision is going to be the decider in the election. You could put a chimp in a Navy blue suit and run him, and the chimp would win because of that one decision.

The Republicans are spending way too much time on the Hunter Biden laptop, and Joe's involvement in money scams. They need to move on. Yes, the Biden's are dirty as hell, but most people think politicians are anyway. It isn't resonating enough to change votes at the ballot box.(sorry for the swear)

If issues were rock, paper, scissors, Women's rights would win almost every time with what Republicans are leading with right now.
Republicans need to replace the Biden scandal in the game, with issues American's truly care about.
The border, suddenly it's an issue since Abbott and DeSantis wised up and sent them to sanctuary cities, whose mayors are now literally begging for help.
How about our money? Prices on the items I buy haven't dropped, and I care greatly about that. Do you think minorities care?
Green energy? Talk about the millions of our tax dollars wasted in a company that is now belly up, Kamala's beloved school buses that catch on fire, how beholden we are to our enemies for gas. No one is buying electric cars, and those who do,and have to drive out of the city, hate them.
What about our children's education in the 3 Rs? It's sad how we have totally screwed up an entire generation with poor teaching.
Crime? Places are locking up toothpaste in stores, people are getting beaten almost daily by groups of thugs, and with no ramifications.

I agree with Dobbs I agree with all the porny drag queen stuff, but that, and DeSantis squabbling with Disney, etc, will never, ever, win.
Women's Rights are the rock, paper, and the scissors right now, and Republicans need to get off their rear ends and think of ways to combat that, make sure everyone TRULY understands Dobbs, and stop focusing on Hunter Biden and the millions his family made.

Boil things down to the true essence of what impacts our daily lives. Does Hunter Biden's shady dealings impact my daily life? No, it does not.

The economy, the border, and feeling safe do.
We need some giant scissors and a huge rock to beat the paper that is abortion.
Quit futzing around and start getting your hands dirty, with things that also matter to people!
(and, pray every night that Trump is in jail, because he will never win again)
 
utahorn said:
This is the issue and I agree. How do we overcome this issue? Republicans and Independents do not stick with each other like Democrats. Democrat breaks the law? Nothing to see here, move along. Biden's anyone?
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I think Trump will still get very solid Republican support. Few Republicans think like I do and would actually consider not voting for him in the general. The key factors are independents and Democratic turnout. He massively repels independents, especially in suburbs, especially when he is the issue, as he will be in '24. He'll underperform in the Atlanta, Phoenix, Philadelphia, and Detroit suburbs. Furthermore, he'll massively motivate Democrats to turnout. Both factors will sink him, even though Republicans will turnout for him. It simply won't be enough.
 
MrD
"Few Republicans think like I do and would actually consider not voting for him in the general. "

So would you not vote? vote a 3rd party?
Even as you realize you could be aiding the election of a Demx?
 
I am still trying to figure out which policies/gov't decisions Trump admin did or implemented that would cause someone to not for the country we had in 2017-2020 or the foreign policies or the attitude other countries had for the USA.
 
6721, still trying to figure that one out. Low unemployment, low gas prices, respect from allies and adversaries. Don't get the hate. He has a thin skin, but is that it?
 
Diehard Trump supporters are steadfast behind him to the detriment of the party. Line up any of the other candidates - DeSantis, Ramaswamy, Scott or Haley - and you won’t see much in policy differences. What you will see is a candidate that doesn’t have to call other Republicans as fat, stupid or fake.

I’m being clear that I won’t vote for Trump again. I think a lot of conservatives and especially independents are in the same boat. Open your eyes to reality.
 
While I won't support Trump's attacks on his political foes, I believe he is the best choice in 2024. Reagan is gone and this is who we have. It's Biden, Harris, Newsome or Trump. You pick. Decide not to vote, it's a throwaway.
 
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Horn6721 said:
I am still trying to figure out which policies/gov't decisions Trump admin did or implemented that would cause someone to not for the country we had in 2017-2020 or the foreign policies or the attitude other countries had for the USA.
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6721, it is not about policies. It is about the dems demonizing Trump; his name calling turning off independents; and his "bad habits" turning off mothers.
 
For political entertainment value, I want to see Trump, Christie, and Pence on the same debate stage going after each other.

:catfight: :tap:
 
utahorn said:
While I won't support Trump's attacks on his political foes, I believe he is the best choice in 2024. Reagan is gone and this is who we have. It's Biden, Harris, Newsome or Trump. You pick. Decide not to vote, it's a throwaway.
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Why is he better than Ron Desantis?
 
ViperHorn said:
6721, it is not about policies. It is about the dems demonizing Trump; his name calling turning off independents; and his "bad habits" turning off mothers.
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It's not about Democrats demonizing Trump. They'll demonize any Republican nominee. In fact, they'll be at least as though on Desantis, because he's actually effective. It's about a candidate giving Democrats a lot of ammunition to support and reinforce the demonization to make it look believable.

It's also about making stupid decisions that distract from the goal, which should be conservative policy. He's under indictment for doing stupid things. Most of it isn't illegal and shouldn't be prosecuted, but it's all stupid.
 
Horn6721 said:
I am still trying to figure out which policies/gov't decisions Trump admin did or implemented that would cause someone to not for the country we had in 2017-2020 or the foreign policies or the attitude other countries had for the USA.
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I don't want the fiscal policy of any of those years. It was atrocious. I definitely don't want the country we had specifically in '20. It was a dumpster fire. The country was run by a corrupt administrative state with a bumbling, unaware goofball at the top running his mouth.

Also, remember that Biden is irrelevant to this discussion. This is primary season.
 
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Mr. Deez said:
Why is he better than Ron Desantis?
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I did not write or say that Trump is better than DeSantis. However, he has a proven track record as President. While he is a proven leader who can turn the country in a positive direction, he also has a thin skin and an enormous ego.

If Trump does not attend the debate on the 23rd, I will PROBABLY move to the DeSantis camp.

Not sure why Trump is wavering on the debate. As a kid, I never backed down from a fist fight and only lost one. Not a tough guy, but I don't like being pushed. In politics, you will be pushed, and Trump knows that. Didn't seek out fights and generally could talk my way out from the idiots who were looking for a fight. Saved my life once. Long story.
 
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The more childish behavior I see from Trump and his supporters towards DeSantis especially will ensure me not voting for him if he wins the primary. It’s embarrassingly stupid and immature.
 
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