Where have they been hiding this person for the past 45 years?
2024 GOP Primary
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The sad truth is that it's Trump vs. himself.
I am on the fence for Trump / Desantis. Would I like a Trump/Desantis ticket vs Desantis/Ramaswamy or Desantis/Scott? Check with me later.
Anything but Biden.
The diehard Trump followers need to know he cannot win the general. Independents and even far right voters like me want him to step aside for the good of the party and country. DeSantis, Ramaswamy, Haley and Scott are far better choices than Trump. The sooner conservatives get that message across the better.
I'm not sure I agree. While Trump is divisive, the media helps that narrative. In a straight-up election, I think Trump wins, but that is a Herculean Mountain to climb.
To be clear, I prefer DS at this point.
Not hiding. He has been the governor of Florida since 2019 actually pushing a conservative policy agenda, while Trump tweets from the toilet and let's Anthony Fauci run the country.
Dude, if Trump hadn't let Fauci "run the country", you and others would have screamed he is once again being unpresidential.
WTF, did the guy do anything you liked? For Gawd's sake, we get it, you think he was rude and boorish, but you are still more critical of him than any democrat.
Horn2RunAgain
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DeSantis won't be on his ticket, providing Trump wins the nomination. Neither would agree to it
The Dude has spoken.
Can't disagree with a word of that. The only thing bold about Cornyn is his re-election ads.
Bill Archer was not a do-nothing.
The old saying is "Politics makes strange bedfellows". Consider H.W. Bush - "Voodoo Economics" and became VP under Reagan. Kennedys did not like LBJ who became VP for political expediency. FDR did not like or trust Truman and kept him out of the loop on many decisions including the Manhattan Project. Kamala basically called Joe Biden a racist, now they "love" each other.
I have the popcorn ready and want to see how this turns out.
Not if he stated a solid reason for it. I didn't mind Desantis and Kemp basically telling him to F-off. He also didn't necessarily have to fire him. Fauci was a federal employee. He could have kept him but not given him that degree of power and influence.
Yes, he did. His judicial appointments were excellent. He was a deregulator, which is good. Though the wall thing was a dumb distraction, his overall border policy was very good. In a vacuum, I like the tax cuts, but it's hard to separate tax legislation from his overall budget policy, which was atrociously bad. Like I've said since he took office, I will admit when he does right.
It's true that I don't like the rudeness and boorishness, but that isn't what really repels me. His budget policy was horrific, and he's basically a liberal Democrat on entitlements, which is the biggest fiscal issue in the US - bigger than taxes. And he's running against Desantis on this issue from the left. Also, we give Biden a lot of crap about inflation, but it's because he pours gasoline on the fire. He didn't start it. His predecessor did.
Beyond substance, he trips on his dick far too much - giving the Left huge amounts of ammo to make himself, his party, and its brand look bad and lose elections. It's just an unforced error we don't have to make.
Let's keep in mind that even though his criminal prosecutions are rabidly partisan, and some of them are meritless, ALL of them involve wildly stupid conduct by him - banging a porn actress and paying her off, keeping classified documents that had been requested by the archivist, trying to run a fake elector scam to get Mike Pence to make him president again, etc. Whether those things are criminal is debatable. I think most of them are not, but they are some of the dumbest friggin' things I've ever seen a supposed adult do.
And let's remember the relevant comparison right now. It isn't to Biden or the Dems. This is primary season. We compare him to other Republican candidates, and he's inferior to most of them and spectacularly so to Desantis. If we're dumb enough to choose Trump again, his criminal trials will dominate the election. Nobody will talk about or care about inflation, crime, porn in schools, or the fustercluck of a withdrawl from Afghanistan. Biden will get a pass on all of that. Instead, it will all be about Trump's criminal cases and the '20 election. (Bear in mind that when you donate money to Trump, you're mainly donating to his legal defense - not campaign ads, not GOTV operations, etc. That should tell you something) It's all the media will talk about, and since Trump is such a self-centered tool, instead of diverting attention away from it, he'll bask in it, because it's a chance to talk about himself. And that means, we lose. In fact, it means the Left wins without a fight.
That's ludicrious. I said more nice things in this post than virtually the entire Democratic Party has said about him in 8 years. They basically say he's Hitler. I say that in spite of some good policy (along with some really bad policy), he's a terrible candidate that we should stay away from if we can, and we definitely can.
This could be the best thing for the Rep. party. I just don't see a Trump whom the media treats like the devil, along with his legal issues beating biden. But Trump has too big of a cult following for any other GOP candidate to win the Rep. nomination.
Donald Trump Could be Disqualified From Running in 2024 by Supreme Court (newsweek.com)
Donald Trump Could be Disqualified From Running in 2024 by Supreme Court (newsweek.com)
Nope. That's ********. SCOTUS would never buy an argument like that, and I wouldn't want it to. I'd rather see Trump win the nomination and therefore reelect Biden than see him eliminated through illegitimate means. That would be terrible for the conservative movement and the country.
The party primary voters need to just use their friggin' brains and reject him.
You are correct. He ****** over some of his longtime friends and supporters while lining his pockets.
Horn2RunAgain
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DeSantis doesn't want to end his career like pence had suffered under Trump. That's a huge difference between reagan and FDR. Bush and Truman didn't have to deal with what pence did. Trump has **** on not only pence, but also Kaylee mcenany.
What legitimate candidate for potus in the future would wilfully end those hopes by going thru what pence did? Or mcenany? You're just signing up for drama, headache after headache, and dealing with a boss you know will be a career killer
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How did he **** over his supporters?
Assuming that Trump is the nominee, I think the running mate will be someone who's respectable but whose career isn't really going anywhere and therefore loses little by being his VP. That's why Nikki Haley makes a lot of sense to me.
I honestly don't think she would. She's on relatively good terms with Trump, and she has done little since leaving the administration.
Except a sweet lifetime government pension.
I'm looking at the long game. I was talking to my wife about the book "The 100-Year Marathon." Everyone should read this. It defines how China views the world vs the West - Long Term.
I wrote that to make the point that I believe DeSantis is looking at the long game. If not President, being VP and gaining that experience for four years is invaluable. Unless you are Kamala Harris.
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She has little to lose, and the upside is making herself a national figure and a strong contender for '28.
Well, in a way, Nikki Haley. The way I see it, Trump damaged people mostly according to their closeness to COVID or Jan. 6 and the election contesting. If you were involved in COVID, you won't win a primary. If you were involved in 1/6 in opposition to Trump, you won't win a primary. If you were involved in his favour, you won't win a general election.
Haley managed to stay away from all the idiocy but also did a good job at the UN, and she's now at least somewhat well known. She probably assumes she could do the same on a bigger scale as VP.
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