2024 GOP Primary

Polls seem to be trending toward DJT. We're now one week from election. Guess we'll see some desperation moves from the Harris campaign. IMO, she will regret not defining her policies and positions on the issues - she is not a likable personality, so she isn't apt to get a bunch of "I just like her" votes. She may be even more unlikable than Hillary. Kamala needed to (1) distinguish herself from DJT on the issues and polices and (2) distance herself from the Biden Administration's record (tough to do, since she's #2 in that Administration).
 
The simple reason she has not defined her policies or stances is because she has no policies and stances on issues. She has been a tag along VP with no input for the past 3+ years. So to expect leadership now is fallacy.
 
nashhorn said:
The simple reason she has not defined her policies or stances is because she has no policies and stances on issues.
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True statement, nash. Add to that the fact that she would have to try to defend her flip-flops from her stances back in the 2020 campaign (and all her policies then were far-left).
 
HornHuskerDad said:
Polls seem to be trending toward DJT. We're now one week from election. Guess we'll see some desperation moves from the Harris campaign. IMO, she will regret not defining her policies and positions on the issues - she is not a likable personality, so she isn't apt to get a bunch of "I just like her" votes. She may be even more unlikable than Hillary. Kamala needed to (1) distinguish herself from DJT on the issues and polices and (2) distance herself from the Biden Administration's record (tough to do, since she's #2 in that Administration).
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Good thoughtful post.

No one asked, but….

I see Trump as essentially a third party candidate who came in and ran as a republican, but with some clear deviations from republican traditional ideology (such as protectionism rather than free trade and practical rather than ideological pro-life policy). From the outset, the insiders of the Republican Party opposed him, and probably have over time given wink approval to the Democrat party to try to take Trump out, with all the ridiculous abuses of governmental processes.

As such, he loses some republicans, gains more otherwise democrats, and then both adds and subtracts by his personality. Kamala only subtracts with her personality.

Democrats have two basic structural problems right now as a party, or one problem with two aspects. DJT, with his tariff policies (which appeal to unions), and his objective, measured pro-life policy (not a preachy version of pro-life), is threatening democrats in the very political center. So democrats would like to respond in the center.

Unfortunately, it was all the young (and very not-practical) progressives with gender and climate and anti-Israel and socialism ideologies who grabbed the microphone after Biden was elected. Like the monkey who won’t let go of the nut to get his hand out of the jar, the democrats won’t sell out these kids so their other constituencies—unions, blacks, wealthy Jewish people, trial lawyers, even “normal”gay people—are bleeding out a little in every category.
 
And if I haven’t lost you….

Our parties are extremely powerful—as PARTIES—not the formal governmental structure. Think of the CCP, except we have two of them. Their power was illustrated just recently where we saw that the democrat party—again, not a formal arm of the government—flexed its power to essentially fire the elected president, leader of the free world. I’m sure that when push comes to shove, the highest controllers of the Republican Party could accomplish by fiat some things that would shock us.

Trump will either be gone in a week or in four years, and that will go by in a flash—to us old timers. After that, the two parties will reengage. What will be left of the Republican Party? Its ideology is in shambles as far as unified platform. By its willingness to elect Trump, the republican electorate (not the actual party structure and insiders) demonstrated a willingness to basically fire all of the party officials at once, to ignore the party recommendation as to whom the nominee should be. Damn courageous, if I do say so myself. But who are all these people who want to be republicans, but wanted to fire the party’s owner/GM/coach and play a portal transfer at QB??

What do republicans even agree to now as ideology? One I think—and DJT majors in this, is not to accept that our country has some ethical obligation to stoop to the lowest levels of poverty to somehow equalize the world’s wealth out of some concept that because of colonialism, we cannot ethically prosper. Call it patriotism, nationalism, anti new world order, whatever. Make America great. And oh by the way, all American lives matter.

So that ideological consensus is definitely for securing our border and handling crime—especially the most annoying types that affect city streets.

And lowering taxes to allow businesses to thrive, and yes it’s okay if some entrepreneurs create such progress that they make billions

In my opinion, republicans do not have consensus on use of military force to change results of other countries’ destinies. And I think the NRA people should not get greedy.

Anyway, just wondering what the Republican Party will be once Trump is gone, whenever that is.
 
VYFan said:
And if I haven’t lost you….

Our parties are extremely powerful—as PARTIES—not the formal governmental structure. Think of the CCP, except we have two of them. Their power was illustrated just recently where we saw that the democrat party—again, not a formal arm of the government—flexed its power to essentially fire the elected president, leader of the free world. I’m sure that when push comes to shove, the highest controllers of the Republican Party could accomplish by fiat some things that would shock us.

Trump will either be gone in a week or in four years, and that will go by in a flash—to us old timers. After that, the two parties will reengage. What will be left of the Republican Party? Its ideology is in shambles as far as unified platform. By its willingness to elect Trump, the republican electorate (not the actual party structure and insiders) demonstrated a willingness to basically fire all of the party officials at once, to ignore the party recommendation as to whom the nominee should be. Damn courageous, if I do say so myself. But who are all these people who want to be republicans, but wanted to fire the party’s owner/GM/coach and play a portal transfer at QB??

What do republicans even agree to now as ideology? One I think—and DJT majors in this, is not to accept that our country has some ethical obligation to stoop to the lowest levels of poverty to somehow equalize the world’s wealth out of some concept that because of colonialism, we cannot ethically prosper. Call it patriotism, nationalism, anti new world order, whatever. Make America great. And oh by the way, all American lives matter.

So that ideological consensus is definitely for securing our border and handling crime—especially the most annoying types that affect city streets.

And lowering taxes to allow businesses to thrive, and yes it’s okay if some entrepreneurs create such progress that they make billions

In my opinion, republicans do not have consensus on use of military force to change results of other countries’ destinies. And I think the NRA people should not get greedy.

Anyway, just wondering what the Republican Party will be once Trump is gone, whenever that is.
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I think Trump has reshaped the Republican Party and the changes will generally carry forward . Political parties, above most anything else, want to win. Trump has broadened the appeal of the party (made it a much larger tent as they say) and opened the eyes of many who previously wouldn't have considered voting Republican. If he wins and is able to have a successful presidency through policies that deliver prosperity and peace then his impact should have a lasting effect. Of course, we know that the Democrats along with their staunch and powerful allies in the media will fight Trump every step of the way and he'll be hampered also by having only a single term - it won't be easy.
 
HalRex said:
I think Trump has reshaped the Republican Party and the changes will generally carry forward .
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Good point, HalRex. The follow-on questions - assuming Trump is elected and serves his full term, what will the GOP look like in 2028? Does Vance become the standard-bearer? What has happened to the 2024 issues? Has inflation settled down to "normal" level? Has the abortion isse been solved by the states? Is the economy healthy? Has the Trump Administration been successful in the world political arena? Has the border been secured? Lots more questions to be addressed.
And this one - after the disastrous candidacy of Kamala, where does the Democratic Party turn for their leadership - do they move more left or back toward the center?
Too much to think about now - focus on the General Election next week!
 
HornHuskerDad said:
Good point, HalRex. The follow-on questions - assuming Trump is elected and serves his full term, what will the GOP look like in 2028? Does Vance become the standard-bearer? What has happened to the 2024 issues? Has inflation settled down to "normal" level? Has the abortion isse been solved by the states? Is the economy healthy? Has the Trump Administration been successful in the world political arena? Has the border been secured? Lots more questions to be addressed.
And this one - after the disastrous candidacy of Kamala, where does the Democratic Party turn for their leadership - do they move more left or back toward the center?
Too much to think about now - focus on the General Election next week!
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Lots of questions there! The only one I have an inkling about is JD Vance. He’s proven a quick study and is incredibly effective at articulating the ticket’s positions and fighting back against the leftwing media negativity. AND he does so in a respectful manner which many times eludes Trump. In four years time anything can happen but I’m hoping he continues to grow and the prospective administration thrives. If that’s the case then we could see him as a very strong presidential candidate similar to Bush following Reagan.
 
I said previously that it’s important to have the better campaign team:

 
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