2023 Recruiting - Football

LonghornCatholic said:
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Peyton is a class act. I like the mindset he mentions of when you know you know. I also dont like the spectacle that is created now with the hats and the fake out. Wish kids had enough thought to act with some class. Hope Arch is successful and obviously hope Texas is enormously successful. We cant get everyone but everyone we get should be championed by our fans!
 
aUTfan said:
I doubt very seriously that is a part of the calculations. I'm sure hes grabbing the guys he feels like he can win with and size is pretty hard to coach up last time I checked lol.
I think there are many calculations going into an offer; character, work ethic, potential among others and I'm sure in his mind he thinks that one guy or another has potential to get on the field before another but there are always surprises when they put the pads on and go head to head. Some guys seem to turn something on, others don't.
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Not sure why anyone argues that getting the highest rated kids is a great thing. Yes some lower rated kids develop into superstars but that is not the norm. The reason that bama, georgia, ohio state and clemson are consistantly in the top 5 is because of great coaching and exceptional recruiting. Bama loses a ton to draft every year and just reload with another group of 4/5 star kids and never miss a beat. Texas was that way under Mack but not since. Our social experiment didnt work out, binder boy certainly didnt work out and the story is yet to be told on Sark. He made a very poor dc hire and that cost him last year. If that doesnt make a seismic change this year pk is gone mid year because sark cannot survive another year like last year or he will be dancing on lava rocks.
 
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Orangebloods - Longhorns add another OL commitment in Trevor Goosby
 
militaryhorn said:
Not arguing here, but how many of those 65% guys stayed more than one contract in the NFL? Just because they got drafted doesn't mean they worked out in the NFL. I stopped watching the pros so I really don't care how they do after college except for a few Longhorns who get drafted...so I haven't watched in about 3 years, lol.
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Yeah, I'm with you and not a big fan of the NFL. However, I think the presumption of the point is that for those 65%ers to have been drafted, many in very early rounds, they were not flame-outs in college, and in fact, were high producers.
 
dukesteer said:
OC, yours is certainly a very strong argument.

My buddy made an interesting observation in discussing this topic today. He said that if you bring him too many upper 4 & 5 stars for the OL, because they all can’t play at the same time, it might be difficult to keep them from transferring, particularly now with NIL.

On the other hand, if you recruit kids this year that you believe have a high ceiling but must be developed, the likelihood of keeping them is greater and they might be ready to make major contributions in two or three years.

One has to wonder if that is part of Flood’s strategy. He doesn’t need kids to replace Kelvin Banks, Devon Campbell or Cam Williams “in 2023.” He needs players to follow them…
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Interesting consideration. May very well be where we are today. I guess the goal would be to get to a point where we could recruit high 4 and 5 stars on the OL every single year so it wouldn't matter if some were leaving because there would always be high level replacements. I had kinda been hoping after spring training the Brockemeyer brothers agreed with you and were going to follow your scenario.
 
Pomspoms said:
So we got about 5, 6 schollies left to give?
Hill
Cook
Walton
5* DL
Muhammad
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We need Hicks or someone his level. Except for a year of Ossai, we have been in a long drought for meeting at the QB. Bama is sitting right now with at least 2 guys who are better than anyone we've had since Tony Brackens.
 
Legend,
There are reasons to take lower ‘rated’ players. Especially OL and DL. We had Leo Brooks-Kermit, Travis Roach-Marlin, Bob McKay-Crane, and Jerry Sizemore-Pampa. Important because quality of competition puts a cap on rural players ability to show talent. It’s impossible to say how an OL will do against another 300#-er if there isn’t evidence. Watching McKay push around DL’s at 180# on HS film was comical. Coach Royal mapped feet against, height, weight, and BMI. Then did it with 30, 50, 75 pound weight vests to see the arch reaction to added weight. He gave big feet a giant bonus believe it or not. I thought it was nuts, but there were all these All-Americans from rural Texas to prove the science. Plus, there is one hell of a difference between a 300# 16 YO and a 300# 21 YO. An entering freshman (almost all of them) is stunned in disbelief the first time they all shower together. A stud HS players has an instant ‘come to Jesus’ moment in a bunch of highly marbled grown men. No bromance here just awe at developed muscle. Seeing how a 16 YO will be at 20 is what makes the non-rated and 3* haul a potential gold mine. Obviously, there are plenty of Bobby Wuench’s from Houston that earn 5* by playing against talent and have to be taken, but some kids nearly peak in HS. Look at the 4 and 5*’s that never develop much. Coaching matters greatly, but scout team competition is crucial and desire is hard to measure. Cold beer, cute girls, a little fame, and no parental oversight derailed many an athlete’s train. I speak from experience.
 
68,

I have posted this before, but there was a kid in West Houston, who was unrated, no offers. He may have been the slowest OL off the ball I had ever seen. Enter Nebraska with an offer. All of a sudden he is the #38 player in the state.

I asked Bill Michael to get me a meeting with the OL coach for the Huskers. We met at Otto's on Memorial, and I assured him that I knew the family, was happy he got an offer, we didn't want him even as a walkon. WHY?

He told me he couldn't coach size. The kid would be a five year project - blocking dummy for three years, after which they hoped to get some playing time out of him the next two. Kid lettered a couple of years, got a free education, played sparingly. That "free education" didn't help him much in the Houston job market.

Again, Kenneth Sims was an afterthought out of Kosse, while how many highly ranked have we had in Accounting & Calculus or Physics?
 
hornde68 said:
Legend,
There are reasons to take lower ‘rated’ players. Especially OL and DL. We had Leo Brooks-Kermit, Travis Roach-Marlin, Bob McKay-Crane, and Jerry Sizemore-Pampa. Important because quality of competition puts a cap on rural players ability to show talent. It’s impossible to say how an OL will do against another 300#-er if there isn’t evidence. Watching McKay push around DL’s at 180# on HS film was comical. Coach Royal mapped feet against, height, weight, and BMI. Then did it with 30, 50, 75 pound weight vests to see the arch reaction to added weight. He gave big feet a giant bonus believe it or not. I thought it was nuts, but there were all these All-Americans from rural Texas to prove the science. Plus, there is one hell of a difference between a 300# 16 YO and a 300# 21 YO. An entering freshman (almost all of them) is stunned in disbelief the first time they all shower together. A stud HS players has an instant ‘come to Jesus’ moment in a bunch of highly marbled grown men. No bromance here just awe at developed muscle. Seeing how a 16 YO will be at 20 is what makes the non-rated and 3* haul a potential gold mine. Obviously, there are plenty of Bobby Wuench’s from Houston that earn 5* by playing against talent and have to be taken, but some kids nearly peak in HS. Look at the 4 and 5*’s that never develop much. Coaching matters greatly, but scout team competition is crucial and desire is hard to measure. Cold beer, cute girls, a little fame, and no parental oversight derailed many an athlete’s train. I speak from experience.
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There will always be diamonds in the rough here and there, but analyzing 2 decades worth of data reflects those diamonds develop to the same level as the highest rated recruits (high 4 and 5 star) less than 10% of the time, compared to much higher chance of success (65% of the time) and easier sledding when you take those higher rated players, when you can get them.
 
With 15 recruits committed in June, a huge, once in a 100 year wind of momentum behind our sails and Arch Manning working the phones with 4 and 5 star stud recruits all across the country who are taking notice, we take a commitment from a recruit who is rated lower than ANY we have so far, a 5.6 mid level 3 star, tying up another slot six months early. They must see something undeniably amazing that nobody else can see. I hope they are right.
 
OrangeClad said:
With 15 recruits committed in June, a huge, once in a 100 year wind of momentum behind our sails and Arch Manning working the phones with 4 and 5 star stud recruits all across the country who are taking notice, we take a commitment from a recruit who is rated lower than ANY we have so far, a 5.6 mid level 3 star, tying up another slot six months early. They must see something undeniably amazing that nobody else can see. I hope they are right.
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OC, last year Texas was praised by almost everyone for engaging “until the whistle” in their pursuit of very high star rated offense lineman. Obviously, it worked out well.

This year, with extraordinary — unprecedented — momentum, Texas is not waiting and is taking a number of three star athletes. While it does seem odd on the surface, given what they accomplished in the 22 class and how they did it, and given the current momentum, I have to believe that they know what they’re doing, and getting the players that they want.
 
(Don't see how any team could have anyone, let alone 2 better than TB) What is the standard being used?

We need Hicks or someone his level. Except for a year of Ossai, we have been in a long drought for meeting at the QB. Bama is sitting right now with at least 2 guys who are better than anyone we've had since Tony Brackens.

(Thought Sizemore was a Bulldog from Plainview)
There are reasons to take lower ‘rated’ players. Especially OL and DL. We had Leo Brooks-Kermit, Travis Roach-Marlin, Bob McKay-Crane, and Jerry Sizemore-Pampa.
 
Y'all are making way too big a deal of all of this, Arch included. Somewhere else on the internet I just read that this is all smoke and mirrors and in no way equals what they did last year. And Arch is Phil [sic] Sims v2.0.

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dukesteer said:
OC, last year Texas was praised by almost everyone for engaging “until the whistle” in their pursuit of very high star rated offense lineman. Obviously, it worked out well.

This year, with extraordinary — unprecedented — momentum, Texas is not waiting and is taking a number of three star athletes. While it does seem odd on the surface, given what they accomplished in the 22 class and how they did it, and given the current momentum, I have to believe that they know what they’re doing, and getting the players that they want.
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That is actually my exact point. We didn't have that unprecedented momentum, nor the AM effect last year. Why would we be aiming for the same results? We might have the chance to dominate the recruiting this year, like...gulp Aggy did last year. I don't get why we would load up on mediocre rated players who have less than a 10% chance of excelling (per historical data) when we have 6 months left before signing day, when AM just committed and that effect has not yet even had the time to make a difference. When they had the momentum last year, look at how many high 4 and 5 star recruits committed to Aggy in the last 6 months. Imagine how different their class would have looked if they had loaded up on 3 star talent last June.
 
22Horn said:
(Don't see how any team could have anyone, let alone 2 better than TB) What is the standard being used?

We need Hicks or someone his level. Except for a year of Ossai, we have been in a long drought for meeting at the QB. Bama is sitting right now with at least 2 guys who are better than anyone we've had since Tony Brackens.

(Thought Sizemore was a Bulldog from Plainview)
There are reasons to take lower ‘rated’ players. Especially OL and DL. We had Leo Brooks-Kermit, Travis Roach-Marlin, Bob McKay-Crane, and Jerry Sizemore-Pampa.
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I didn't say they were better than TB. I said they had 2 better than anyone we've had SINCE TB. Have you watched those Bama guys?
 
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