2020 Recruiting - Football

[zuckercanyon]

Don't think we're Sugar Ray yet.

 

[VYFan]

Don't think we're Sugar Ray yet.

May not be Roberto Duran, yet, either!
Perhaps the best boxing career, ever?

(This is the football recruiting board, isn't it?)

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

You thought as the game went on “they aren’t hardly better than we are “....did you watch the game ??

Ou completely dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball .
Offensively they averaged almost 7.5 yards a carry for over 275 yards .
They averaged a ridiculous 14.7 yards a reception in through the air .
Defensively they had NINE sacks , and 15 tackles for a loss .
Out of the 71 snaps taken for Texas ,24 went for negative yardage , that’s over 1/3 of your offensive snaps .....1/3 for negative plays .
Texas averaged a mere 2.8 a carry .If you take out the one long run ....1 and some change a carry.

I guess can’t see how anyone that knows
anything about football could think those two teams were equal ???
Had ou somehow lost ( two or three more turnovers )They would still be double digit favorites in the big 12 championship game .

Again it was complete domination on on both sides of the ball .

The equalizer was the turn overs, where Texas actually won 3-0 ( fumble , int , and a turnover on downs )
Not to mention all three where on the
Texas side , two in red zone , one on the 39.

When I’m saw the 10.5 point spread I thought Vegas had lost their minds but they had in right .
They can’t account for multiple turnovers in scoring position . They go by talent , film and some times + and - just to even out bets .
That’s not an issue with Texas /OU plenty of public money on both sides .
Vegas believed OU was much better than Texas and they were right , they honestly may have undervalued OU.
Texas and the points won but it was still the wrong bet , just like the team they were lucky it wasn’t a blow out .
If they meet again and both teams have relatively the same players as first meeting( no major injuries ) , it will probably be higher ...like 13-14 range .

I hate to agree with sooner but it was something of a football miracle we covered

 

[Joe Fan]

I was responding to the idea that we had supposedly outrecruited OU recently,...

There is no "supposedly" to it and it's not difficult to research

2018 Team Rankings by 247
Texas #3
ou #9

2019 Team Rankings by 247
Texas #3
ou #6

 

[Joe Fan]

Would like to disagree with you but until we get deep with recruiting top talent, we'll have a tough time upending OU for the conference title.....

This was sort of my original point, back where all this started, which was drawing a parallel between Herman-to-date and Mack Brown's history while at Texas. The only way Mack Brown beat Bobby Stoops was when we were able to completely overwhelm them on talent. That, if talent were equal, Stoops beat Brown more often than not. And, so far at least, Herman vs. Riley looks like a repeat.

 

[Joe Fan]

I don't know what is worse, reading the sooner's flawed takes or Joe's crying. ....

There is no reason for you to be an *** in the recruiting thread

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[everette]

Actually, we were right the first time because unlike a number line, neither the Julian nor Gregorian calendar has a zero year (look it up). So 1 B.C. was followed by 1 A.D. hence 10 A.D. was the tenth year ofthe first decade, 100 A.D. was the last year of the first Century and 2000 A.D. was the final year of the 20th Century.

Thus the second decade began in 11 A.D., the second Century began in 101 A.D. and the 21st Century began in 2001 A.D.

That's exactly what I'm saying. 1900 is not the first year of the 20th. 1901 was the first!

 

[Joe Fan]

I would call that a win-win

 

[Joe Fan]

That's exactly what I'm saying. 1900 is not the first year of the 20th. 1901 was the first!

I think you are right, but I wanted to include that year since it bolstered the argument I was making

 

[zuckercanyon]

This was sort of my original point, back where all this started, which was drawing a parallel between Herman-to-date and Mack Brown's history while at Texas. The only way Mack Brown beat Bobby Stoops was when we were able to completely overwhelm them on talent. That, if talent were equal, Stoops beat Brown more often than not. And, so far at least, Herman vs. Riley looks like a repeat.

Except for recruiting better in 18 and 19 is not apples and apples since Herman didn't have 11 win seasons and recruiting classes leading up to his first season. Lincoln was left with the cupboard full. Give Herman next season and THEN we'll see who can coach better (though both are outstanding IMO)

 

[dukesteer]

Most of Hurts runs were not by design but that’s what mobile qbs do .
It’s not like ou has been hiding that all season.
Your front seven dictate the qb run game .....they failed .
Where in turn our front seven completely shut down your qb run game .....both designed and improvised .
The ou offense this year hinges on Hurts ability to run .
Texas failed from a coaching, scheme and personnel standpoint to even slow it down much less stop it .
I believe Texas is no different , their hums when Sam is major focal point in the run game , ou wasn’t going to let that happen .

Second penalty yardage is not dictated in the box score but neither is the hidden yardage / shorten field either .
It goes both ways , we may have committed a penalty but you were awarded with a 15 yards and a 1st down .Can you really say those all would have absolute catches without their interference, I don’t think so .
They way your wrs dropped balls in that game ,those penalties may have been a blessing for your offense .

I appreciate your welcome , but I call it as I see it about BOTH teams . I also haven’t attacked anyone personal , like an above poster did to me .
When it come to opinions on football,
I dont sugar coat anything .
OU still has major weaknesses that will keep them from winning national
Championship game this season .
They just aren’t very talented in the secondary and Hurts still has trouble with his deep go routes .
Add in a young but very talented online , not to mention thin inside LB depth , ou in my opinion is still not a true title contender .
If they win out sure they deserve to go but it will be like last year , just a step below a Bama, OSU, Clemson .
Again , even though it step below on my opinion it’s HUGE step .
Just like 4 loss teams vs 1 loss teams .

That’s why I had to post , Texas is along ways to bring back .
They may be back from multiple years in a row of losing seasons , but they aren’t back to being perennial conference champions / playoff attendees.

They may have the coach to
Make them good , but can he make them great ??
Year 3 and still no offensive identity

Sooner12345, yes, you won decisively. And yes, our offense didn’t look good. But Texas has no offensive identity?

It was one game, and Texas went 0-1. If we play again in December, let’s see how it goes. To me the 2019 RRR may turn out to be an aberration. We aren’t that bad, and I’m not sure that OU is that good.

Like I said, it was one game.

 

[Joe Fan]

Except for recruiting better in 18 and 19 is not apples and apples since Herman didn't have 11 win seasons and recruiting classes leading up to his first season. Lincoln was left with the cupboard full. Give Herman next season and THEN we'll see who can coach better (though both are outstanding IMO)

Neither are the QBs apples to apples
Riley is doing it with a new transfer EVERY season
Imagine that
If I said that w/o this immediate history, it would sound crazy

 

[VYFan]

There is no "supposedly" to it and it's not difficult to research

2018 Team Rankings by 247
Texas #3
ou #9

2019 Team Rankings by 247
Texas #3
ou #6

All I meant by “supposedly” was that I think someone said we had better talent than OU because we had outrecruited them, but that would have to take into account 4 or five years, and I’m not sure that’s true. Anyway, my main point is that if you added Hurts to their 2019 #6 class, it would probably overbalance our #3 class as far as value added.

Soon, we will actually have overall better talent on the field, I think.

This is what you know about most, so feel free to teach me what I need to learn!

 

[Joe Fan]

All I meant by “supposedly” was that I think someone said we had better talent than OU because we had outrecruited them, but that would have to take into account 4 or five years, and I’m not sure that’s true. Anyway, my main point is that if you added Hurts to their 2019 #6 class, it would probably overbalance our #3 class as far as value added.

Soon, we will actually have overall better talent on the field, I think.

This is what you know about most, so feel free to teach me what I need to learn!

That was me. I said other than the transition year, Herman had out recruited ou (he and Riley both started at these schools the same year)
Mack did the same most years -- that was kind of the whole idea behind bringing up on in the recruiting forum

 

[nashhorn]

This recruiting bonanza of which you speak will not occur unless we win.

 

[VYFan]

That was me. I said other than the transition year, Herman had out recruited ou (he and Riley both started at these schools the same year)
Mack did the same most years -- that was kind of the whole idea behind bringing up on in the recruiting forum

So, overall, for the 85 on scholarship right now, you think we have overall higher recruits than they do?

 

[Joe Fan]

So, overall, for the 85 on scholarship right now, you think we have overall higher recruits than they do?

If we dont count 2017, then yes Herman's recruits are higher ranked, as a group, than Riley's recruits

Their 2017 class was ranked much higher than ours (#8 v. #27) so if we added all 3 classes together, I am not sure how it would stack up. But I dont think the 2017 classes were apple-to-apple given the circumstances

 

[VYFan]

If we dont count 2017, then yes Herman's recruits are higher ranked, as a group, than Riley's recruits

Their 2017 class was ranked much higher than ours (#8 v. #27) so if we added all 3 classes together, I am not sure how it would stack up. But I dont think the 2017 classes were apple-to-apple given the circumstances

But my question is about the whole rosters that took the field Saturday. Wouldn’t that go back past Herman?

 

[X Misn Tx]

looks fast, but that was a bread basket catch imo. run fast, put your hands out in front of your belly, run more

 

[Joe Fan]

But my question is about the whole rosters that took the field Saturday. Wouldn’t that go back past Herman?

Sure, that would include Charlie Strong classes

Using 247 --
2015
Texas #10
ou #15

2016
Texas #7
ou #19

2017
Texas #25
ou #8

So, we have had higher ranked classes then them in 4 of the last 5 years
But, as you point out, none of the transfer QBs are included in the rankings

 

[X Misn Tx]

I like depth, but there is something to top end talent. that's what i think we're building.

 

[Austin_Bill]

There is no "supposedly" to it and it's not difficult to research

2018 Team Rankings by 247
Texas #3
ou #9

2019 Team Rankings by 247
Texas #3
ou #6

Actually it's even easier than that, you see 247 has a team calculator which compensates for transfers and early entries in the nfl draft. They rank the Texas and Oklahoma as this.

7. Texas 877.91 3 5'star, 43 4'star
8. blowu 869.53 5 5'star, 45 4'star

We have a lot more 3'star players which puts us over them.

This was sort of my original point, back where all this started, which was drawing a parallel between Herman-to-date and Mack Brown's history while at Texas. The only way Mack Brown beat Bobby Stoops was when we were able to completely overwhelm them on talent. That, if talent were equal, Stoops beat Brown more often than not. And, so far at least, Herman vs. Riley looks like a repeat.

The idea we have much more talent is just not true. They are slightly more talented, for now.

There is no reason for you to be an *** in the recruiting thread

Actually, none of what we are talking about should be in the recruiting thread, but we are all upset about the loss. I just think a little perspective is in order. Tom has not been anything like any of our previous coaches. Hell I think McWilliams had the best record against Oklahoma and we fired him. Even Mackovic had a great record against blowu and look how he ended. Herman is building something special here. I've been watching Texas since Akers was the coach, none of them have put things together like Herman has.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

... we are all upset about the loss. ....

That's not a good excuse for turning on recruiting thread posters
Other threads can get heated, but there is no good reason for this one to join them

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

The response of Herman and the staff is the only thing important now. The loss is on the books.

 

[Austin_Bill]

That's not a good excuse for turning on recruiting thread posters
Other threads can get heated, but there is no good reason for this one to join them

Never turned on you Joe, or any poster here. Like I said, we are all a little emotional after this loss. I will say that slamming the program and the staff after a loss is one thing, we are all entitled to our opinion on what we see on the field, but is the Recruiting thread the place to do it? I have no idea who reads this thread, but if recruits do, I'd much rather we put our best foot forward in this thread.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

Meanwhile, back to our regularly scheduled programming .....

Quinn Ewers shows out in Carrol vs. Guyer game:

 

[Sooner12345]

Actually it's even easier than that, you see 247 has a team calculator which compensates for transfers and early entries in the nfl draft. They rank the Texas and Oklahoma as this.

7. Texas 877.91 3 5'star, 43 4'star
8. blowu 869.53 5 5'star, 45 4'star

We have a lot more 3'star players which puts us over them.




The idea we have much more talent is just not true. They are slightly more talented, for now.



Actually, none of what we are talking about should be in the recruiting thread, but we are all upset about the loss. I just think a little perspective is in order. Tom has not been anything like any of our previous coaches. Hell I think McWilliams had the best record against Oklahoma and we fired him. Even Mackovic had a great record against blowu and look how he ended. Herman is building something special here. I've been watching Texas since Akers was the coach, none of them have put things together like Herman has.

Winning a national championship has changed the last 3-4 years and it’s only going to get worse.
It will take ELITE qb’s to win a national championship going forward.
Even those championship Alabama teams of the past would struggle to stay up (offensively )with the new and improved super powers .
If Herman is building something special he better start with recruiting ,developing , and KEEPING elite talent at the QB position , something has yet to do at Texas .
The best thing that ever happened to OSU was Meyer leaving .
He still believed inaccurate qbs who can make the occasional throw can still win NCs.
Same with LSU , a TRUE title contender now .
Kirby Smart may have the most talented team in the country , but still brings a knife to a gun fight .
Look what he let leave because of his thumb on the offense .

College football offensively is an arm race , average qbs won’t even make a playoff, much less win a championship .