2020 Recruiting - Football

[Joe Fan]

Top 10 in state DEs, according to Next Level Scouting
The Jackson clips Ive seen make the case for him to be top 3

 

[Joe Fan]

If you look back at the Top 6 players in the state in 2017 and compare to the 2020 NFL mock drafts on the interwbes...247 and walter football, etc...
DT Marvin Wilson (2nd-3rd round walter football)
CB Jeffrey Okudah (#6 pick walter football)
OT Walker Little (#9 pick walter football)
LB Baron Browning (top 5 Lb prospect draftnetwork)
LB K'Lavon Chaisson (#23 pick 247)
RB JK Dobbins (#9 RB CBS draft watch)

2018 was great for us, but the truth is that had we recruited better in 2017, we'd be sitting really pretty right now.

I made this point before about 2017 and let's just say not everyone appreciated it

 

[X Misn Tx]

I made this point before about 2017 and let's just say not everyone appreciated it

i still love you, Joe

 

[mchammer]

Top 10 in state DEs, according to Next Level Scouting
The Jackson clips Ive seen make the case for him to be top 3

How is Collins not top 5?

 

[Joe Fan]

How is Collins not top 5?

Here is their list of RBs

 

[mchammer]

Here is their list of RBs

Okay just realized they are mixing 2 classes. So Collins is top 5 for 2020.

 

[Joe Fan]

Okay just realized they are mixing 2 classes. So Collins is top 5 for 2020.

I think its all classes, rather than 2

 

[Joe Fan]

ESPN updated their rankings

Evans is not #1 overall anymore and JQJ is now the 2nd highest ranked player in the state behind Evans
Karic now a 4-star
Dixon is now in their top 300
All of our commits (except Hullaby) is now in their top 300 and/or a 4-star

Dajon Harrison, who might become a commit, is also an ESPN 4-star

ESPN Football Recruiting - 300 Player Rankings

 

[Chop]

Karic now a 4-star

It's about time.

 

[Chop]

ESPN has Jake Majors as the #1 OG in the country. They also show that Wisconsin recruited him (they know a thing or two about OL up there).

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

.... is the year 2000 part of this century?

Actually, it is the last year of the 20th Century. Like 10 would be the tenth.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

... the truth is that had we recruited better in 2017, we'd be sitting really pretty right now.

But Herman had a month to recruit that class. And most of those players are the core of this team.

 

[Joe Fan]

Actually, it is the last year of the 20th Century. Like 10 would be the tenth.

That seems like its cheating the 21st century, so unfair

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

You do not see parallels in the way Stoops outcoached Mack Brown to the way Riley is outcoaching Herman?

So following that analogy, did not Herman show himself to be the much more capable coach when he beat Riley last year who had more talent drafted into the NFL than Texas? The problem is we have not seen enough head to head games yet. If you look at the overall record, it is filled with streaks.

I think you are in the minority on this. Havent you at least been skeptical of the performance of our secondary since the start of the year? Dont you see regression among key starters? What about the defensive scheming overall?

I have seen college kids asked to perform at an NFL level, but it is indisputable that Texas has more talent at DB top to bottom than anyone else. This year in particular, Texas has been forced to play incoming freshmen who while talented, are relatively under developed and have had little coaching in practice. Blame the coaches if you must, but I see circumstances tilting the field against Texas a little bit.

Which is another way of saying they outsmarted/outcoached us, which is what I wrote.

2019 OU game, yes. Other games, not so definitive.

If not head-up record (we are now 1-3 v ou), which metric do you think is better for that comparison?

It is not an adequate sample, especially given the starting points of the two programs over that period. Texas is much closer to parity now than any time since 2008.

On the cheating, if you mean off-the-field, then this is why I give Royal/Akers a pass head-to-head against Switzer who may have been the biggest cheater in NCAA history. It's tough to compete fairly against that if you are trying to run a clean program. But, IMO at least, that part has been level from Mack Brown forward. So, not the same excuse.

Well, Bobby Collins set a pretty low standard for cheating of the field. And while Bob Stoops did not get caught red handed, there were jobs at booster businesses where the player did not have to show up to get paid. Nod to Mack on this one, and Strong also.

If you mean on-the-field cheating, like what Riley does. I am not sure what to do about that. If there is any certainty in life, it is that the Longhorns will never get any level of fairness and understanding from Big 12 refs. So, we are unable to appeal to them. And quite frankly, I suspect that if we stooped to their level and played the exact same way Riley-coached teams do, Big 12 refs would be flagging us right and left. It's how they roll. So, that is a bit of a quandary. In that Scipio article I posted in the ou thread, he had ideas about how to play against it. I dont have any better ideas than that. And it doesnt appear our coaches even had this much going for them.

I think this is a technique thing that could be solved partially by better coaching. If a player is full body-on against an opposing player, than holding is difficult to see. This is most evident in LOS interior lineman play.

If the victimized player can suddenly create a little separation, then the victim's jersey will illustrate who has the offending grasp. I am thinking a little more ballet and drama coaching needed here.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

That seems like its cheating the 21st century, so unfair

Yeah, apologies as you were correct. 2000 is the first year of the 21st century. 1999 was the 100th year (hence last) of the 20th century as 99 years had already occurred. Why we are in 21st Century even though all the years will start with 20xx.

 

[dukesteer]

Yeah, apologies as you were correct. 2000 is the first year of the 21st century. 1999 was the 100th year (hence last) of the 20th century as 99 years had already occurred. Why we are in 21st Century even though all the years will start with 20xx.

Not according to Wikipedia:

“The 21st (twenty-first) century is the current century of the Anno Domini era or Common Era, in accordance with the Gregorian calendar. It began on January 1, 2001, and will end on December 31, 2100. It is the first century of the 3rd millennium.”

 

[Austin_Bill]

We are paying our football coach $5 million plus his assistants get 7 and high 6 figures....Putting millions into the football program facilities....How the **** do you say football isn't #1 at Texas ?

Do you see us putting football over academics? If we have a bad football team will the president of the University lose his job as well as the coach? The fact is, some schools are so football first, academics is of little importance. Can you for a moment imagine a football player attending Texas for 4 years and coming out as illiterate as when he arrived like Dexter Manley did?

You do not see parallels in the way Stoops outcoached Mack Brown to the way Riley is outcoaching Herman?

When Riley beats Herman 66-14 and does it 5 times then I will say there are parallels. one game is not a trend.

I think you are in the minority on this. Havent you at least been skeptical of the performance of our secondary since the start of the year? Dont you see regression among key starters? What about the defensive scheming overall?

I've seen too much football over my years, This is what happens when you start freshmen and sophomores. Period. It would be nice if every freshmen is Aaron Ross or the Stingley kid from LSU, but they are the exception not the rule. Most highly ranked DBs take time to learn and develop.

Which is another way of saying they outsmarted/outcoached us, which is what I wrote.

Again, you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. Show me the guy who is out coaching Lincoln Riley on offense? Lots of guy are better defensive coaches. As far as I've seen I can't find a better offensive mind, maybe the pirate, but I don't think he comes close to Riley either.

If not head-up record (we are now 1-3 v ou), which metric do you think is better for that comparison?

I think it's about how competitive these games are. How many 30+ point losses did Mack have to Stoops? More than I care to remember. So far we have lost to Riley twice when they had far superior team talent. This year we lost when we had equal talent. This isn't the worst team in the country and they have always had talent on defense, just didn't know how to use it. Well it looks like they have started to figure this out as well.

I'm not prepared to judge this Coaching staff a failure after 4 games especially when we likely have one more to play this year.

 

[Pomspoms]

Wait.... doesn't the numerical system start at zero thus:
01234
56789
1011121314
1516171819
Just sayin.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

Wait.... doesn't the numerical system start at zero thus:
Just sayin.

Correct. So year one is zero to the end of the year which is when the year 1 becomes the second year.

Thus 1900 is the first year of the 20th Century and 1999 is the 100th and last year of the 20th Century.

 

[X Misn Tx]

Evans is not #1 overall anymore and JQJ is now the 2nd highest ranked player in the state behind Evans

How often does this position combo come across with a top prospect... Ja'Quinden Jackson QB-DT? lol

 

[SabreHorn]

"QB-DT" = dual threat QB

 

[Joe Fan]

Do you see us putting football over academics? If we have a bad football team will the president of the University lose his job as well as the coach? The fact is, some schools are so football first, academics is of little importance.

That is a bit hyperbolic but yes I was more than willing to see Powers fired over his decisions regarding the football program and athletic director's office (or even jail him). And a host of other reasons. Did not care for him.

Can you for a moment imagine a football player attending Texas for 4 years and coming out as illiterate as when he arrived like Dexter Manley did?

I am not going to name names, but, sure, we have on occasion popped some near-illiterates out of our football program. It's a little embarrassing at times but, on the other hand, they were really good football players

 

[Joe Fan]

When Riley beats Herman 66-14 and does it 5 times then I will say there are parallels. one game is not a trend. ....

That could have easily been the score last Saturday. And its 4g not 1g. Does losing 3 of 4 games make a trend? (4 losses is enough to make a World Series Champion) How many more before you would be willing to say "OK, thats a trend?"

 

[Joe Fan]

...I've seen too much football over my years, This is what happens when you start freshmen and sophomores. Period. It would be nice if every freshmen is Aaron Ross or the Stingley kid from LSU, but they are the exception not the rule. Most highly ranked DBs take time to learn and develop. .

Rationalizing losing to ou is another thing that reminds me of Mack Brown vs Bob Stoops

 

[Joe Fan]

Again, you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. Show me the guy who is out coaching Lincoln Riley on offense? Lots of guy are better defensive coaches. As far as I've seen I can't find a better offensive mind, maybe the pirate, but I don't think he comes close to Riley either. ....

Do you really mean to say we have no chance against him and just need to start accepting the future losses to Riley? I dont know what to say that. if I were a head coach, especially a MENSA level coach, I dont think I would ever accept it.

 

[Joe Fan]

... So far we have lost to Riley twice when they had far superior team talent. This year we lost when we had equal talent. .....

The total yards were 511 to 310, with rush yards 276 to 100
We were lucky the score was as close as it was
Did you ever feel like we were going to win that game?

 

[Joe Fan]

How often does this position combo come across with a top prospect... Ja'Quinden Jackson QB-DT? lol

He says he wants to be a QB and has thrown some passes this season that would get anyones attention. To me, he's exactly the kind of player Herman persuaded to go to tOSU and that worked out pretty well for them
We will see where he ends up

 

[X Misn Tx]

"QB-DT" = dual threat QB

It's like Sam 2.0 QB-LB but bigger

 

[Chop]

He says he wants to be a QB and has thrown some passes this season that would get anyones attention. To me, he's exactly the kind of player Herman persuaded to go to tOSU and that worked out pretty well for them
We will see where he ends up

Right. J. Jackson should, and will, be given a fair shot at QB where he wants to play. While his 2018 passing yardage numbers were nothing to write home about (1580 yards), his TD to INT ratio is exceptional (15 TD to 3 INT), and he also ran for 1497 yards and 23 TD.

Further, he's a proven winner and leader. The (limited) camp film I could download shows good mechanics and a strong arm with a tight spiral. He also throws the deep outs/deep sideline patterns very well. From the game film I saw, he reads defenses well. A critique: he could probably stand to put a little more effort into 'selling the fake' when he hands off the ball instead of keeping it.

 

[Pomspoms]

He says he wants to be a QB and has thrown some passes this season that would get anyones attention. To me, he's exactly the kind of player Herman persuaded to go to tOSU and that worked out pretty well for them
We will see where he ends up

He looks like the perfect fit for what Herman likes. With him, milroe, card, Bijan, whittington, rojo, Jordan, wow the future looks good. Plus we will have an awesome line and receivers. It's all coming together.
Will we have the right play caller for this firepower?