2020 Recruiting - Football

[VYFan]

The total yards were 511 to 310, with rush yards 276 to 100
We were lucky the score was as close as it was
Did you ever feel like we were going to win that game?

Well, if you added the about 90 yards of deliberate pass interference penalties that OU accepted to avoid TDs—which were successful plays created by the offense, the number would look more like 500-400, not quite the same impression.

And yes, when we tied the game at 10-10 in the third quarter, I certainly believed we could or would win the game. When OU scored on a trick play then, because they hadn’t scored a TD in over a half, I still felt we had a great chance to score, tie it back up and perhaps win the game. Did you seriously believe we were never in the game? You usually are more level-headed in all your posts.

Why would you be so down on the coaches after losing to a favored OU team? So, if Duvernay runs a KO back about 60 yards instead of dropping the ball on the four yard line, or Eagles holds on for a long TD, and we win on a long FG at the end, then our coaches would be legit?

 

[Joe Fan]

....Did you seriously believe we were never in the game? ..

It's true I can get emotional watching Texas games. With that preface, no I never felt we were going to win it from the opening possession. Or, if were able to steal a win, if would be through some divine intervention like 5 Hurts picks in a row, but not because we beat them straight up. Going into the game I did think we had a chance to win, but once it got going, reality hit me in the face pretty hard.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[VYFan]

Funny how expectations work. I thought before the game they were better than we were, but as it we went along I was thinking, they aren’t hardly better than we are, and by the 3rd Q, I’m thinking we may just take them out after all.

I think Ehlinger would have taken more chances and maybe scored more if we hadn’t been within seven points practically the whole game. (Remember how risky he played when we were down 20-0 or whatever, and came back to tie, and hornfans criticized him for being reckless?)

OU played more risky; we took out the passing and RB running in first half, making Hurts have to do it all himself. Yes, he gashed is (he’s really good), but with your QB running down the middle of the field a lot, he’s likely to be hit hard and get hurt or fumble. Indeed, that’s just what did happen. Not just luck for us. Also, put him under pressure with him being frustrated because we were shutting down most of the passing and RB runs, and his over-aggression, and you may get a pass thrown up for grabs. Indeed, that happened, so again, making them have longer drives and increasing the number of plays gives us the chance for an INT—that’s a form of defensive coaching, not luck.

Letting Duvernay run back 7 kicks or whatever, apparently was a calculated risk that at least once he would hit a HR (or at least a double). After all, he’s maybe our best player. He never broke any, and even fumbles on the goal line.

Thanks to that, and poor punt returns, our field position was pretty bad. I think Ehlinger was told, we are going to have to hit a couple of deep passes to win, so stand in and give the deep routes a chance; just don’t fumble or do anything stupid, because we are still in the game. So, he takes a lot of sacks.

The trick play is what killed us. Even then, Lamb did not get past the safeties on the fake, but he made them look stupid in the open field (he’s very very good).

Missed a field goal; that was unexpected, and kind of demoralized the team at that point, I think, because then you are looking at onsides kicks at best.

After we lost Roach, their basic RB plays worked better.

Anyway, I thought we put forth an approach that gave us a good chance to win, but we saw that CeeDee Lamb is way, way more elite than Devin Duvernay.

Ok, done rambling....

 

[VYFan]

Oh, another comment as to comparing recent OU recruiting classes to ours—-how many stars do you credit OU with for recruiting Hurts—six stars? A QB with his pedigree compared to a HS player? Then, Murray before that, and Mayfield before that.

 

[VYFan]

Do you think there would be any hesitation to bench Ingram if we are recruiting this player?

 

[Joe Fan]

Oh, another comment as to comparing recent OU recruiting classes to ours—-how many stars do you credit OU with for recruiting Hurts—six stars? A QB with his pedigree compared to a HS player? Then, Murray before that, and Mayfield before that.

The better question, IMO, iw which transfer QB will Riley beat us over the head with next season? The guy from UH (King)?
Or will he roll the dice with Spencer Rattler? who they love as a Riley QB

 

[Joe Fan]

Do you think there would be any hesitation to bench Ingram if we are recruiting this player?

I dont think we are going to bench him either way. Herman was just talking him up at this week's presser. But it's a good question

 

[everette]

Correct. So year one is zero to the end of the year which is when the year 1 becomes the second year.

Thus 1900 is the first year of the 20th Century and 1999 is the 100th and last year of the 20th Century.

No, no, no

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

That could have easily been the score last Saturday. And its 4g not 1g. Does losing 3 of 4 games make a trend? (4 losses is enough to make a World Series Champion) How many more before you would be willing to say "OK, thats a trend?"

Riley had a very good talent base. Texas had good 3 Star players when each coach started.

By the way, we cannot be honest with any athlete if we do not aid them in obtaining an education. I do not care if Texas wins any championships by discarding the future of any student. That is antithetical to what any university is about.

 

[Joe Fan]

...By the way, we cannot be honest with any athlete if we do not aid them in obtaining an education. I do not care if Texas wins any championships by discarding the future of any student. That is antithetical to what any university is about.

I think we are talking about slightly different things. You are talking about the way things should be, while I was discussing things that have already happened

 

[Crockett]

I think the recruits will see an upward trend they can accelerate. We have two losses, each by a touchdown to teams contending for a national championship. We have wins over two teams that beat us last year.
Tom Herman has two full recruiting classes on the books and both are upgrades over anything we've seen since 2010.
It's tough that OU football is a moving target. This year's Sooners is superior to what we've faced in the past.

 

[Sooner12345]

Funny how expectations work. I thought before the game they were better than we were, but as it we went along I was thinking, they aren’t hardly better than we are, and by the 3rd Q, I’m thinking we may just take them out after all.

I think Ehlinger would have taken more chances and maybe scored more if we hadn’t been within seven points practically the whole game. (Remember how risky he played when we were down 20-0 or whatever, and came back to tie, and hornfans criticized him for being reckless?)

OU played more risky; we took out the passing and RB running in first half, making Hurts have to do it all himself. Yes, he gashed is (he’s really good), but with your QB running down the middle of the field a lot, he’s likely to be hit hard and get hurt or fumble. Indeed, that’s just what did happen. Not just luck for us. Also, put him under pressure with him being frustrated because we were shutting down most of the passing and RB runs, and his over-aggression, and you may get a pass thrown up for grabs. Indeed, that happened, so again, making them have longer drives and increasing the number of plays gives us the chance for an INT—that’s a form of defensive coaching, not luck.

Letting Duvernay run back 7 kicks or whatever, apparently was a calculated risk that at least once he would hit a HR (or at least a double). After all, he’s maybe our best player. He never broke any, and even fumbles on the goal line.

Thanks to that, and poor punt returns, our field position was pretty bad. I think Ehlinger was told, we are going to have to hit a couple of deep passes to win, so stand in and give the deep routes a chance; just don’t fumble or do anything stupid, because we are still in the game. So, he takes a lot of sacks.

The trick play is what killed us. Even then, Lamb did not get past the safeties on the fake, but he made them look stupid in the open field (he’s very very good).

Missed a field goal; that was unexpected, and kind of demoralized the team at that point, I think, because then you are looking at onsides kicks at best.

After we lost Roach, their basic RB plays worked better.

Anyway, I thought we put forth an approach that gave us a good chance to win, but we saw that CeeDee Lamb is way, way more elite than Devin Duvernay.

Ok, done rambling....

You thought as the game went on “they aren’t hardly better than we are “....did you watch the game ??

Ou completely dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball .
Offensively they averaged almost 7.5 yards a carry for over 275 yards .
They averaged a ridiculous 14.7 yards a reception in through the air .
Defensively they had NINE sacks , and 15 tackles for a loss .
Out of the 71 snaps taken for Texas ,24 went for negative yardage , that’s over 1/3 of your offensive snaps .....1/3 for negative plays .
Texas averaged a mere 2.8 a carry .If you take out the one long run ....1 and some change a carry.

I guess can’t see how anyone that knows
anything about football could think those two teams were equal ???
Had ou somehow lost ( two or three more turnovers )They would still be double digit favorites in the big 12 championship game .

Again it was complete domination on on both sides of the ball .

The equalizer was the turn overs, where Texas actually won 3-0 ( fumble , int , and a turnover on downs )
Not to mention all three where on the
Texas side , two in red zone , one on the 39.

When I’m saw the 10.5 point spread I thought Vegas had lost their minds but they had in right .
They can’t account for multiple turnovers in scoring position . They go by talent , film and some times + and - just to even out bets .
That’s not an issue with Texas /OU plenty of public money on both sides .
Vegas believed OU was much better than Texas and they were right , they honestly may have undervalued OU.
Texas and the points won but it was still the wrong bet , just like the team they were lucky it wasn’t a blow out .
If they meet again and both teams have relatively the same players as first meeting( no major injuries ) , it will probably be higher ...like 13-14 range .

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Texas and the points won but it was still the wrong bet ,

Really? Like OU not covering the spread since 2012 and losing three times in the process even though we've been at probably the lowest point in the history of the program? Are you mad bro because you pawned your trailer to bet on this game? I mean that's gotta sting a little losing to Charlie Strong who also lost to Kansas. Get off your high chair and wipe all that cake off your face. It's unbecoming.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

No, no, no

Actually, we were right the first time because unlike a number line, neither the Julian nor Gregorian calendar has a zero year (look it up). So 1 B.C. was followed by 1 A.D. hence 10 A.D. was the tenth year ofthe first decade, 100 A.D. was the last year of the first Century and 2000 A.D. was the final year of the 20th Century.

Thus the second decade began in 11 A.D., the second Century began in 101 A.D. and the 21st Century began in 2001 A.D.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

Oh, another comment as to comparing recent OU recruiting classes to ours—-how many stars do you credit OU with for recruiting Hurts—six stars? A QB with his pedigree compared to a HS player? Then, Murray before that, and Mayfield before that.

Players go up and down in college ratings vs. high school ratings on 247.

 

[VYFan]

You thought as the game went on “they aren’t hardly better than we are “....did you watch the game ??

Ou completely dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball .
Offensively they averaged almost 7.5 yards a carry for over 275 yards .
They averaged a ridiculous 14.7 yards a reception in through the air .
Defensively they had NINE sacks , and 15 tackles for a loss .
Out of the 71 snaps taken for Texas ,24 went for negative yardage , that’s over 1/3 of your offensive snaps .....1/3 for negative plays .
Texas averaged a mere 2.8 a carry .If you take out the one long run ....1 and some change a carry.

I guess can’t see how anyone that knows
anything about football could think those two teams were equal ???
Had ou somehow lost ( two or three more turnovers )They would still be double digit favorites in the big 12 championship game .

Again it was complete domination on on both sides of the ball .

The equalizer was the turn overs, where Texas actually won 3-0 ( fumble , int , and a turnover on downs )
Not to mention all three where on the
Texas side , two in red zone , one on the 39.

When I’m saw the 10.5 point spread I thought Vegas had lost their minds but they had in right .
They can’t account for multiple turnovers in scoring position . They go by talent , film and some times + and - just to even out bets .
That’s not an issue with Texas /OU plenty of public money on both sides .
Vegas believed OU was much better than Texas and they were right , they honestly may have undervalued OU.
Texas and the points won but it was still the wrong bet , just like the team they were lucky it wasn’t a blow out .
If they meet again and both teams have relatively the same players as first meeting( no major injuries ) , it will probably be higher ...like 13-14 range .

Thanks for posting. We do welcome other schools’ fans here.

Several things to say: first, when we stop you on 4th down, that’s us winning the play, not a turnover. Second, when we blast your QB and he fumbles, that’s a good defensive play, not a gift. Likewise, when we pressure him, he backtracks, refuses to take a sack and tries to make a play, and we intercept it, that’s a good defensive play—a better defensive play than one of the sacks you are citing. Once he did it and we didn’t quite get the INT in the end zone. A couple of times he threw the risky pass and made a great play—like the one Roach got ejected on. His style against our defense equals a couple of turnovers and will again if we play again. Overall, Hurts made more good plays than bad and won the game. We’ve had lots of games where Ehlinger slings it around, runs a lot, accounts for 4 or 5 TDs but turns it over (not lately).

You didn’t dominate the OL LOS; your coaches pretty brilliantly worked around the fact that we pushed your OL back, using misdirection, etc.

If you also read my post on the other thread, you’ll see that I don’t really disagree too much with you. I did think in the 3rd Q we were about to win the game. In context, I was responding to someone who said he felt like we were never in the game; I definitely felt we were.

OU had a good fourth quarter, for one thing finally establishing the run (not QB), but that was after Roach went out. (When Roach was ejected, the game was tied.)

My final analysis was that, for the personnel that took the field Saturday, OU was a TD better, just like the score, and that OU is a top 4 team and we are not. Isn’t that enough credit to give you, sooner fan?

You guys are having another good year; congratulations. However, if you can’t see that we are breathing down your neck, you aren’t paying attention.

Welcome to Hornfans....

 

[Sooner12345]

Really? Like OU not covering the spread since 2012 and losing three times in the process even though we've been at probably the lowest point in the history of the program? Are you mad bro because you pawned your trailer to bet on this game? I mean that's gotta sting a little losing to Charlie Strong who also lost to Kansas. Get off your high chair and wipe all that cake off your face. It's unbecoming.

The loss Texas in 2015 was very detrimental to Oklahoma’s season ....ANOTHER Big 12 championship and our first playoff appearance .
OU’s preseason goals haven’t been determined by the Texas game ( even a loss)this decade.

 

[VYFan]

Players go up and down in college ratings vs. high school ratings on 247.

I was responding to the idea that we had supposedly outrecruited OU recently, and I was pointing out that ranking classes did not account for Hurts, for example, who has value way beyond a five star recruit.

 

[Pomspoms]

Thanks for posting. We do welcome other schools’ fans here.

Several things to say: first, when we stop you on 4th down, that’s us winning the play, not a turnover. Second, when we blast your QB and he fumbles, that’s a good defensive play, not a gift. Likewise, when we pressure him, he backtracks, refuses to take a sack and tries to make a play, and we intercept it, that’s a good defensive play—a better defensive play than one of the sacks you are citing. Once he did it and we didn’t quite get the INT in the end zone. A couple of times he threw the risky pass and made a great play—like the one Roach got ejected on. His style against our defense equals a couple of turnovers and will again if we play again. Overall, Hurts made more good plays than bad and won the game. We’ve had lots of games where Ehlinger slings it around, runs a lot, accounts for 4 or 5 TDs but turns it over (not lately).

You didn’t dominate the OL LOS; your coaches pretty brilliantly worked around the fact that we pushed your OL back, using misdirection, etc.

If you also read my post on the other thread, you’ll see that I don’t really disagree too much with you. I did think in the 3rd Q we were about to win the game. In context, I was responding to someone who said he felt like we were never in the game; I definitely felt we were.

OU had a good fourth quarter, for one thing finally establishing the run (not QB), but that was after Roach went out. (When Roach was ejected, the game was tied.)

My final analysis was that, for the personnel that took the field Saturday, OU was a TD better, just like the score, and that OU is a top 4 team and we are not. Isn’t that enough credit to give you, sooner fan?

You guys are having another good year; congratulations. However, if you can’t see that we are breathing down your neck, you aren’t paying attention.

Welcome to Hornfans....

It was obvious we were dominated. I don't wear deep thick burnt orange glasses. They kicked our butt and we were fortunate( granted we earned those turnovers) to lose by only 1 touchdown.
So what we have learned is their system is better than our system because we are pretty much equal in player quality caliber, maybe we have a little better when everyone is healthy,but their system more than makes up for that. Cee Dee Lamb is their Superman who made a big difference. Also our tackling was atrocious so Maybe their players are better quality, we have to consider that. If you say that is our coaches fault then maybe we have to fire coaches. We lost in spite of winning the turnover battle so that proof that they are the better team.

 

[Sooner12345]

Thanks for posting. We do welcome other schools’ fans here.

Several things to say: first, when we stop you on 4th down, that’s us winning the play, not a turnover. Second, when we blast your QB and he fumbles, that’s a good defensive play, not a gift. Likewise, when we pressure him, he backtracks, refuses to take a sack and tries to make a play, and we intercept it, that’s a good defensive play—a better defensive play than one of the sacks you are citing. Once he did it and we didn’t quite get the INT in the end zone. A couple of times he threw the risky pass and made a great play—like the one Roach got ejected on. His style against our defense equals a couple of turnovers and will again if we play again. Overall, Hurts made more good plays than bad and won the game. We’ve had lots of games where Ehlinger slings it around, runs a lot, accounts for 4 or 5 TDs but turns it over (not lately).

You didn’t dominate the OL LOS; your coaches pretty brilliantly worked around the fact that we pushed your OL back, using misdirection, etc.

If you also read my post on the other thread, you’ll see that I don’t really disagree too much with you. I did think in the 3rd Q we were about to win the game. In context, I was responding to someone who said he felt like we were never in the game; I definitely felt we were.

OU had a good fourth quarter, for one thing finally establishing the run (not QB), but that was after Roach went out. (When Roach was ejected, the game was tied.)

My final analysis was that, for the personnel that took the field Saturday, OU was a TD better, just like the score, and that OU is a top 4 team and we are not. Isn’t that enough credit to give you, sooner fan?

You guys are having another good year; congratulations. However, if you can’t see that we are breathing down your neck, you aren’t paying attention.

Welcome to Hornfans....

275 yards rushing in a game is not misdirection ,I’m sorry . 7.5 yards a carry as a team , and our backs averaged over 8 .
Not to mention zero sacks , and only 4 TFL for your defense compared to 9 sacks/15 TFL on our end ......that’s ownership .
Lincoln called an average game , should have ran it more .
Second I never said unforced turnovers , I’m not taking away from the Texas defense making a few plays .
I will say a turnover on downs is no different then a fumble or int . They could have attempted a long fg or just punted and pinned Texas back . Lord knows the way your return units played that game they would have fair caught inside the the 5 .
A “turnover “on downs is a turnover to any coach ,I promise you ......thus the name.


Lastly I disagree with you that Texas is breathing down our necks . It’s a HUGE leap between 3-4 losses and making the playoffs . Just like there is a huge gap between OU just making a playoff vs winning a national Championship.
OU is still a year or two away from firing on all cylinders and being a LEGIT national championship contender
Sure they could get lucky this season , but they would need a ton of help doing it .
I still think OU has a chance to drop a game in the regular season , winning out is hard even in this watered down conference .

Texas most definitely could lose another game with that defense and not a true running game from a back .

 

[Sooner12345]

It was obvious we were dominated. I don't wear deep thick burnt orange glasses. They kicked our butt and we were fortunate( granted we earned those turnovers) to lose by only 1 touchdown.
So what we have learned is their system is better than our system because we are pretty much equal in player quality caliber, maybe we have a little better when everyone is healthy,but their system more than makes up for that. Cee Dee Lamb is their Superman who made a big difference. Also our tackling was atrocious so Maybe their players are better quality, we have to consider that. If you say that is our coaches fault then maybe we have to fire coaches. We lost in spite of winning the turnover battle so that proof that they are the better team.

It was obvious we were dominated. I don't wear deep thick burnt orange glasses. They kicked our butt and we were fortunate( granted we earned those turnovers) to lose by only 1 touchdown.
So what we have learned is their system is better than our system because we are pretty much equal in player quality caliber, maybe we have a little better when everyone is healthy,but their system more than makes up for that. Cee Dee Lamb is their Superman who made a big difference. Also our tackling was atrocious so Maybe their players are better quality, we have to consider that. If you say that is our coaches fault then maybe we have to fire coaches. We lost in spite of winning the turnover battle so that proof that they are the better team.

I disagree with the player are pretty much equal .
Texas has one tackle that would start on offense , and your WR at the slot .
Defensively I see two to three guys in the secondary , and roach on the dline .
That’s about 25% of the starting lineup .

Watching that game was the biggest talent discrepancy I’ve seen in years in the cotton bowl.

 

[VYFan]

275 yards rushing in a game is not misdirection ,I’m sorry . 7.5 yards a carry as a team , and our backs averaged over 8 .
Not to mention zero sacks , and only 4 TFL for your defense compared to 9 sacks/15 TFL on our end ......that’s ownership .
Lincoln called an average game , should have ran it more .
Second I never said unforced turnovers , I’m not taking away from the Texas defense making a few plays .
I will say a turnover on downs is no different then a fumble or int . They could have attempted a long fg or just punted and pinned Texas back . Lord knows the way your return units played that game they would have fair caught inside the the 5 .
A “turnover “on downs is a turnover to any coach ,I promise you ......thus the name.


Lastly I disagree with you that Texas is breathing down our necks . It’s a HUGE leap between 3-4 losses and making the playoffs . Just like there is a huge gap between OU just making a playoff vs winning a national Championship.
OU is still a year or two away from firing on all cylinders and being a LEGIT national championship contender
Sure they could get lucky this season , but they would need a ton of help doing it .
I still think OU has a chance to drop a game in the regular season , winning out is hard even in this watered down conference .

Texas most definitely could lose another game with that defense and not a true running game from a back .

Look, I did welcome you to hornfans, but maybe some other sites might give you the hostility-exchange you seem to crave.

I’ll try once more to be reasonable. Statistics don’t tell the whole story. For example, if we have receivers beat your DBs for a long play or a TD, but your player takes an intentional PI to kill the play, which happened like 5 times, those are successful offensive plays that net 75 yards in penalties that don’t reflect in offensive stats.

Your QB had half your rushing yards, almost all on misdirection, and you ran Lamb through the backfield during the snap over and over going the opposite direction of the play. Your top back had the same stats as our top back.

Texas has a LOT of players that you didn’t even see play Saturday and several that played hurt.

I said that for the personnel who took the field, OU was a TD better. The scoreboard says I was right.

 

[zuckercanyon]

The loss Texas in 2015 was very detrimental to Oklahoma’s season ....ANOTHER Big 12 championship and our first playoff appearance .
OU’s preseason goals haven’t been determined by the Texas game ( even a loss)this decade.

Would like to disagree with you but until we get deep with recruiting top talent, we'll have a tough time upending OU for the conference title.....

 

[Sooner12345]

Look, I did welcome you to hornfans, but maybe some other sites might give you the hostility-exchange you seem to crave.

I’ll try once more to be reasonable. Statistics don’t tell the whole story. For example, if we have receivers beat your DBs for a long play or a TD, but your player takes an intentional PI to kill the play, which happened like 5 times, those are successful offensive plays that net 75 yards in penalties that don’t reflect in offensive stats.

Your QB had half your rushing yards, almost all on misdirection, and you ran Lamb through the backfield during the snap over and over going the opposite direction of the play. Your top back had the same stats as our top back.

Texas has a LOT of players that you didn’t even see play Saturday and several that played hurt.

I said that for the personnel who took the field, OU was a TD better. The scoreboard says I was right.

Most of Hurts runs were not by design but that’s what mobile qbs do .
It’s not like ou has been hiding that all season.
Your front seven dictate the qb run game .....they failed .
Where in turn our front seven completely shut down your qb run game .....both designed and improvised .
The ou offense this year hinges on Hurts ability to run .
Texas failed from a coaching, scheme and personnel standpoint to even slow it down much less stop it .
I believe Texas is no different , their hums when Sam is major focal point in the run game , ou wasn’t going to let that happen .

Second penalty yardage is not dictated in the box score but neither is the hidden yardage / shorten field either .
It goes both ways , we may have committed a penalty but you were awarded with a 15 yards and a 1st down .Can you really say those all would have absolute catches without their interference, I don’t think so .
They way your wrs dropped balls in that game ,those penalties may have been a blessing for your offense .

I appreciate your welcome , but I call it as I see it about BOTH teams . I also haven’t attacked anyone personal , like an above poster did to me .
When it come to opinions on football,
I dont sugar coat anything .
OU still has major weaknesses that will keep them from winning national
Championship game this season .
They just aren’t very talented in the secondary and Hurts still has trouble with his deep go routes .
Add in a young but very talented online , not to mention thin inside LB depth , ou in my opinion is still not a true title contender .
If they win out sure they deserve to go but it will be like last year , just a step below a Bama, OSU, Clemson .
Again , even though it step below on my opinion it’s HUGE step .
Just like 4 loss teams vs 1 loss teams .

That’s why I had to post , Texas is along ways to bring back .
They may be back from multiple years in a row of losing seasons , but they aren’t back to being perennial conference champions / playoff attendees.

They may have the coach to
Make them good , but can he make them great ??
Year 3 and still no offensive identity

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

I was responding to the idea that we had supposedly outrecruited OU recently, and I was pointing out that ranking classes did not account for Hurts, for example, who has value way beyond a five star recruit.

Exactly. The Stars in College based on performance are a more accurate guide. I wonder what Shane's 247 college rating is now. Surely it has increased.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

They may have the coach to
Make them good , but can he make them great ??
Year 3 and still no offensive identity

Oh yeah, the pro-spread is the "offensive identity." He is still recruiting the guys he needs. OL will be a big component next year although some are still yet to play.

The feature running back will come next year. We are fine in the receiver room, but we could use a corner back or two. Still looking forward.

I think Herman and the staff got a serious wake-up call, so we will see how they respond. Usually they are on top in big games, but not the RRS this year. Still it is a credit the team stayed in the game so well.

 

[BurntOrangeLH]

Lincoln called an average game , should have ran[sic] it more .

Texas most definitely could lose another game with that defense and not a true running game from a back .

"Lincoln called an average game , should have run it more ."
English verb conjugation seems to have been dropped from the public school curriculum about 30 or 40 years ago, unfortunately.

I think R. Johnson averaged 11 yards per carry, but there is no running game if the OC abandons it after having success earlier in the game. OC and HC problem there. I wonder if other teams will pick this up like WVU or ISU or perhaps Baylor or even TCU? Not sure their backs are good enough, but we will see.

Herman made a bad mistake going wide and thinking OU defense would be too slow to cover. If Texas had come out rushing N-S, the stunts would have been less frequent and not effective. It was a bad choice on Herman's part. That they worked in the LSU and WVU games meant they should not have been ignored by Hand and Herman. That is a serious blunder on their part.

 

[Austin_Bill]

I don't know what is worse, reading the sooner's flawed takes or Joe's crying.

I wouldn't be surprised on bit to see Texas and blowu meet again with Texas winning. The Texas players didn't quit, neither did the coaches. I know you think you saw a talent discrepancy but what you saw was an illusion. blowu came out and smacked Texas in the mouth and Texas didn't recover. Texas came into this game talking a lot of crap and didn't back it up.

I once watched Roberto Durrant beat the crap out of Sugar Ray Leonard. I wondered how in the world Leonard could ever beat this guy. Then I watched the rematch and Leonard made Durrant quit in the middle of the ring.

Texas did not respond to getting punched in the mouth. This wasn't about talent, sure blowu has talent, but so does Texas. This game was about who wanted it more, and give credit to blowu because they did.

That doesn't mean that we can expect the same results if we meet again in the Big 12 title game.

To think that we were going to lose that game because it was a hard fought game, is a loser mentality. Sports was a big part of my life for the first 25 years of my life. The one thing I learned in all those years is that it isn't over til it's over. I still think we can beat them, as good as Riley is as a offensive mind, he sucks on the defensive side. Texas will be ready when they meet again.

 

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I once watched Roberto Durrant beat the crap out of Sugar Ray Leonard. I wondered how in the world Leonard could ever beat this guy. Then I watched the rematch and Leonard made Durrant quit in the middle of the ring.

I remember the “NO MAS” fight. The two fights were as different as night and day.