4th_floor
Dude, where's my laptop?
You are the anti-Tom T. Hall.
2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence
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Had an employee who moved in from Vegas complaining that we didn't pay as much as his union job in Vegas. Gave all sorts of "feel good" reasons why higher wages are better.
When I asked how we should pay for higher wages he said something to the effect of company profits. I told him net profits are only about 2.5% and raising wages to what he expected would wipe that out causing us to have to stop giving raises, cut benefits and stop opening new stores. Or we would have to cut the number of employees causing his workload to increase significantly. Another option was to raise prices to pass it along to the customers which would make us less competitive causing customers to go somewhere else and risk the business all together.
I suggested he go back to school and get a skill in higher demand so he could make more money or be patient with his development and take on more responsibility then over time his pay would increase substantially.
He just looked at me dumbfounded shook his head and walked away. All he cared about was his pay now and didn't care about anyone nor anything else but himself not wanting to actually do anything to make himself more valuable.
I have no idea why more people don't understand the progression of a career and that if you are willing to do the work, learn, sacrifice and have discipline anyone can "make it" in America. I started my job at $3.65/hr in 1991 with no real skills and now make...a lot more...and I didn't ever make pay an issue in my career. I made myself more valuable than the job I held at each level. More people should think and act this way and pay will come pretty quickly.
I saw a story on one of the cable news channels about this and they said that the number of hours that campaign workers work equaled $17 a hour so in order for him to get them to $15 a hour he cut their hours.
The political answer is that the owner makes too much money. Greed is what causes depressed wages. If the owner takes less then pricing remains static. The socially maladjusted among us believe in that.
Capitalizing a business (debt and equity) is considered a given. Paying back the principle on the loan is considered a given. Working capital is considered a given. Inventory is considered a given. Emergency expenditures is considered a given. Cash flow is considered a given. None of that is to be considered; only the owner's greed.
Not to mention providing a quality product and/or service.
Monahorns
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Vol Horn 4 Life. You are my hero.
There is also the cost of living comparison. Gross pay isn't really what is important. You have to factor taxes and cost of subsistence, then look at disposable income after subsistence or % of wages spent on subsistence. His blank stare would have been blanker.
Monahorns
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That is where you mention his own greed and the idea of property rights.
Or also do the math of how much more would he make if the owner took 1/2 the pay and evenly distributed it. It is probably no more than $10/month, so not worth it. Also, if an owner can't get rich owning and running his own business, then why would he invest in it ever? Owner's invest money up front to pay a worker's wages. So the worker gets paid today. The owner has to wait until the product is manufactured, sold, and the money received before he gets his cut, in the future. Just like a loan, $1 today is worth more than $1 in the future.
Yes. I've heard socialists try to equate worker risk with ownership risk. It's not the same and it's just a hard-headed mentality that thinks it is.
To mandate an expense (I understand worker safety and environmental protection laws) but not guarantee product value does not match up in my mind. So you have to give the owner the latitude to control their costs. And they will. If there is a connection between employee pay and quality of the brand then let the owner figure that out. Don't try to tell him there is while mandating expense increases.
I might have asked why he left his union job in Vegas.
I did....Vegas was too expensive. He was incapable of connecting the dots.
Maybe he can ask for help from the guy he hit while DWI.
There is no point to Beta, but what baffles me if that there never was a point. However, for about 18 months, the entire political media acted as though there was. He was just a much of a fraud and a weirdo then, but political pundits and journalists talked about him in almost godlike terms. He was "inspiring," "deep," and "transformational" like RFK and had tremendous "coolness." It's the same Beta, but now he's a goofball, a doofus, dumb, and a little bit of a weirdo.
I can't help but wonder what the "true believers" from 2018 think now, and they do exist. It might be the cynical but racist Hispanics who thought he was authentic despite his last name. It might be the gullible but arrogant Millennial who actually thought weed and skateboarding were marks of intellect and depth. It might be the sexually unfulfilled woman in the suburbs who was turned on by him and the myth that he "cared about" and "understood" them. Everything they thought and assumed about him was a lie, and the media that sold the false narratives are now being honest about it. How do these true believers feel? What do they think about it and how easy it was to sell them on fraud?
There are still some hangers-on, but it's greatly reduced. Let's put it this way. Nobody thinks Beta has a serious chance of putting John Cornyn at risk in 2020. That should tell you something. The "magic" is dramatically weakened.
It can be a pain in the *** to remove a bumper sticker and get it all off. I had a Dole-Kemp sticker on my car until 1999.
The number of Beto stickers on cars in my area of Austin seems greatly reduced of late.
Yes, the politically gullible left (coupled with horny leftist cougars) are all quietly slinking away from Beta. As the California money goes, so follows stupidity.
Horn2RunAgain
2,500+ Posts
Ryan and others shot down sanders and warren on free medical care for all. The union workers that have solid medical benefits thanks to union negotiated plans, are going to look elsewhere with their votes.
Union workers in the rust belt will be key votes, critical for a dem candidate. If sanders or warren is the candidate, trump will carry those states.
It's almost like dems are trying to give trump the general election win.... Again.
Union workers in the rust belt will be key votes, critical for a dem candidate. If sanders or warren is the candidate, trump will carry those states.
It's almost like dems are trying to give trump the general election win.... Again.
Many don't ever remove the political stickers...I still see stickers from HRC's campaign in addition to the ones never removed after Obummer left office.
Not as many of them in Montgomery County, but they start showing up once I get south of 1960 heading towards downtown Houston...
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