I'm sure they will try...but in advance, I will also offer the caveat that I am NOT going to brief those issues. I put as much time into that draft as it took me to type it out. Again, not arguments that fall within my area of specialty...
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I don't have the time or expertise. Fortunately, the opposition lawyers and the judiciary will provide the pleadings appropriate attention.
Seattle Husker
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Same here. I take no issue with @mb227 post. Why would I? She puts all the usual caveats that it's not her specialty and hasn't researched it but as a lawyer throws out an argument to start.
Everyone now seems to acknowledge that this TX case is bunk that likely won't reach a hearing with the SCOTUS. It's the antithesis of "states rights" for those that feel they are important. If this case were to go forward and TX prevail the SCOTUS would be mired in State v State lawsuits for decades.
Oh okay, thanks, guys. Very reasonable.
Joe Fan
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My sense is that if they could survive standing, the Article II issue would get their attention. But they already had one shot at that and declined. So, it seems fruitless.
But I still want to see Cruz in front of them making the argument, damnit! I suspect they might try to pile on. It would be such a great moment to watch and hear him, standing there all alone, fighting for the people, pushing back against them all at once. They could at least throw us that bone - it would be historic, a 21st Century version of the Scopes Trial
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Someone with standing should bring suit in those states' courts. After all, at their core, these are actually questions of state law. Frankly, Trump's people are doing it right in Georgia (at least now). I don't know if he's going to win, but the lawsuit is not groundless on its face. Going to federal court is trying to force a square peg into a round hole. State courts of last result are the final authority on questions of state law.
Of course, the problem is that at least one of these states (Pennsylvania) has a hyperpartisan Supreme Court that doesn't care what the law says. They had their own agenda, and frankly, the Pennsylvania legislature should impeach them.
However, if you can take the State of Pennsylvania to federal court over how it applies state law, you basically forfeit the right of states run their own elections and put federal courts in charge. Do we want to do that just to have a chance to save Donald Trump's ***? I don't. The Supreme Court has actually been moving in the right direction on that issue, and I'd rather they not go backwards. I don't want Xavier Bacerra or that partisan twat in New York hauling Texas into federal court over every manner in which we handle our elections.
Joe Fan
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The PA AG filed a pretty bitchy response, saying Dems' cheating should never be able to be challenged, by anyone, ever.
"The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."
Harumph!!
Seattle Husker
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The Ohio AG making the Article II argument in a nutshell
"I asked SCOTUS to rule on the Electors Clause question presented in Texas’s lawsuit. It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for judges and bureaucrats to change the rules set by state legislatures for selecting electors."
The Ohio AG wants the SCOTUS to hear the case but wants TX to lose.
Joe Fan
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That's not really the job
Joe Fan
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They are also looking at Joe Biden's brother
Joe Fan
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Does the media want him out now?
Is that why they suddenly decided this stuff is news?
Joe Fan
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Joe Fan
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Is she standing in the pic? or kneeling?
Why is the Time POTY even a thing anymore? I guess it's just for elitist eggheads who give a crap about other elitists picking some elitist(s) for such a stupid thing.
Joe Fan
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I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV, but if this Texas suit is sooooo baseless, why did the SCOTUS ask for responses from the plaintiff states? Why are so many other state Attorneys General wanting to get in on the act?
I think it is just media driving the narrative and small minded people buying into that it is baseless. Why would the media say otherwise?
There are several on here saying the same thing, tho, and calling Paxton an attention ***** to boot.
Like I said...
Allowing themselves to be driven by narratives. Smart people otherwise.
At this rate, it might be a close call on seven hours...
Joe Fan
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Anyone remember these guys?
Public Statement on the Hunter Biden Emails
October 19, 2020
We are all individuals who devoted significant portions of our lives to national security. Some of us served in senior positions in policy departments and agencies, and some of us served in senior positions in the Intelligence Community. Some of us were political appointees, and some were career officials. Many of us worked for presidents of both political parties.
We are all also individuals who see Russia as one of our nation’s primary adversaries. All of us have an understanding of the wide range of Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security, with some of us knowing Russian behavior intimately, as we worked to defend our nation against it for a career. A few of us worked against Russian information operations in the United States in the last several years.
Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy.
It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
We are all also individuals who see Russia as one of our nation’s primary adversaries. All of us have an understanding of the wide range of Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security, with some of us knowing Russian behavior intimately, as we worked to defend our nation against it for a career. A few of us worked against Russian information operations in the United States in the last several years.
Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy.
It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000
What a clown show
How is it possible not a single one of these "intelligence officials" knew that the Bidens were under criminal investigation for money laundering, corruption and other financial crimes?
If you ever wonder how we "let" 9/11 happen, it is because people like these were given jobs in our "intelligence community"
Are they liars or are they just incompetent?
Jim Clapper
Mike Hayden
Leon Paneta
John Brennany
Thomas Finger
Rick Ledgett
John McLaughlin
Michael Morell
Mike Vickers
Doug Wise
Nick Rasmussen
Russ Travers
Andy Liepman
John Mosemane
Larry Pfeiffer
Jeremy Bash
Rodney Snydery
Glenn Gerstell
David B. Buckley
Nada Bakos
PaSy Brandmaier
James B. Bruce
David Cariens
Janice Cariens
Paul Kolbecy
Peter Corsell
Brett Davis
Roger Zane Georger
Steven L. Hall
Kent Harringtony
Don Hepburn
Timothy D. Kilbourn
Ron Marksr
Jonna Hiestand Mendez
Emile Nakhlehy
Gerald A. O’Sheacy
David Priess
Pam Purcilly
Marc Polymeropoulos
Chris Savosr
Nick Shapiro
John Siphergency
Stephen Slick
Cynthia Strand
Greg Tarbell
David Terry
Greg Trevertony
David A. Vanell
Winston Wiley
Kristin Wood
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Joe Fan
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Politico on Hunter, after the election --
“In addition to Delaware, the securities fraud unit in the Southern District of New York also scrutinized Hunter Biden’s finances, according to the person with direct knowledge of the investigation. The person said that, as of early last year, investigators in Delaware and Washington were also probing potential money laundering and Hunter Biden’s foreign ties. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.”
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