2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

[Seattle Husker]

I watched that the other day. It was unbelievable especially because it's probably true that the guy he ran down was no slouch when it comes to running.

Budda Baker, the guy he ran down, won the 3A 100M championship his Sr. year in high school with a 10.7. For comparison, that time would have finished 3rd in the 5A classification for Texas in 2019. Baker is a 2-Time Pro Bowler and currently the highest paid safety in the NFL. As a longtime youth football coach, the effort was the most impressive part to me. NFL NextGen stats calculated DK made up 24yds (with the angle) hitting a peak speed of >22MPH.

 

[mchammer]

You asked for documented evidence of corruption. Happy to post a link if you prefer.

Does "ignoring privilege" matter? If a bear shits in woods an no one is around to smell it does it really stink?

From May 2020: South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates

 

[Seattle Husker]

Of course, it's all not good but let's say for instance that he was being blackmailed. Is that the same as your son gaining a job in a foreign country for $50K a month in an industry he knows nothing about? And then voting for that nice man full of redeeming manner and civility?

Just to be clear, 1 of those these items is criminal (Election Fraud), while the other is unethical.

Neither are acceptable in the larger pantheon of politicians but I put criminal behavior above the other, especially when the latter is tangential to the politician.

 

[mchammer]

“DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear. This is utterly reprehensible conduct. The charges announced today do not erase what he did, but they do ensure that he is held to account for those actions,” McSwain added.

 

[Seattle Husker]

From May 2020: South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates

Yep. The judge pled guilty to crimes in the primary elections in 2014 and 2016. Is that evidence of fraud in 2020 general election?

It was a court case in this this individual likely went to jail (article doesn't say). Do you have proof the bi-partisan election commission for Philadelphia didn't address the voting apparatus that allowed this judge to cheat in a primary election?

 

[mchammer]

Yep. The judge pled guilty to crimes in the primary elections in 2014 and 2016. Is that evidence of fraud in 2020 general election?

Someone seemed to question if it existed at all.

 

[RainH2burntO]

When you have a tape you have what they call a "recording" of what transpired. In this scenario Trump paid hush money to Stormy Daniels for her not to come forward.

Not good, Bubba...and I dont like it a bit. But that was a loong time ago and, FWIW, I believe Donald Trump is a much different...not perfect...but much different person now.
As am I.
And I'll also add many of the same people who want to detract from Trumps current character for years ago actions had no problem with Billy Boys character even though it was clearly reflected in real time actions while in office.
Same as Obama's "Damn the usa" church which supporters said had no bearing on his ability to be president and was "a long time ago" ...even though it was mere months and I believe has much greater bearing on qualification than infidelity or sexual misconduct...though I loathe both.

 

[mchammer]

Yep. The judge pled guilty to crimes in the primary elections in 2014 and 2016. Is that evidence of fraud in 2020 general election?

It was a court case in this this individual likely went to jail (article doesn't say). Do you have proof the bi-partisan election commission for Philadelphia didn't address the voting apparatus that allowed this judge to cheat in a primary election?

Here is evidence suggesting fraud. If you are not familiar with it, it is used all the time to detect fraud.

 

[mchammer]

 

[Seattle Husker]

Someone seemed to question if it existed at all.

Who? Did someone say that no cheating ever existed in the history of elections? I'd like to correct them.

Blagoyevitch was a convicted felon pardoned by TRUMP! Can we expect Dinesh D'Souza next?

 

[mchammer]

There are apparently 20k provisional, absentee and military ballots left in GA. It never ends.

 

[OUBubba]

Not good, Bubba...and I dont like it a bit. But that was a loong time ago and, FWIW, I believe Donald Trump is a much different...not perfect...but much different person now.
As am I.
And I'll also add many of the same people who want to detract from Trumps current character for years ago actions had no problem with Billy Boys character even though it was clearly reflected in real time actions while in office.

That tiger's orange stripes are faded in. If you think he's changed you're more foolish that I believed. I bet he still walks around with tic tacs in his pockets.

PS: The actual crime took place in October of 2016. For a refresher course on how recent that was, Laura Ingraham just had a segment on Hillary's emails this week.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Here is evidence suggesting fraud. If you are not familiar with it, it is used all the time to detect fraud.

Any math majors here ready to explain how Benford's Law can be applied to the ballots? Heck, I'd be curious to know how this guy got all the data to support his claim before the votes have been certified.

First you'd have to normalize the data from each of the disparate data set. "First digit of tally" has to be the same for each state, each district, each ward. Each state has a different ballot system, in some cases multiple ballots per individual. What is Harrison Smith's definition of "tally"?

 

[RainH2burntO]

That tiger's orange stripes are faded in. If you think he's changed you're more foolish that I believed. I bet he still walks around with tic tacs in his pockets.

PS: The actual crime took place in October of 2016. For a refresher course on how recent that was, Laura Ingraham just had a segment on Hillary's emails this week.

I updated that post if you want more to take issue with.

And I did not know this was 2016? The Stormy Daniels affair allegedly occurred in 2016? Or was reported or alleged just then??
It does impact my view of the incident...somewhat... if so.
I also didn't know you believed I was foolish, Bubba? I'm hurt.
Either way...I do think Trump has undergone much change. I guess neither of us can know for sure.
As for Billy ...I thought he had poor character and that was and is important to me...though I thought a little much was made of his affair. I never voted for Trump initially because I thought he had great character either...There were many things that "trumped " character for me that were not as pressing in 1998 or whenever it was. As for Obama... dont know much about his character....but I believe his philosophy and ideology to be very dangerous. And I am much more concerned with this these days than with personality, personal virtue, or character....though I'd rather not have to choose. I guess if Biden is official, I'll have neither for awhile.

 

[mchammer]

Any math majors here ready to explain how Benford's Law can be applied to the ballots? Heck, I'd be curious to know how this guy got all the data to support his claim before the votes have been certified.

First you'd have to normalize the data from each of the disparate data set. "First digit of tally" has to be the same for each state, each district, each ward. Each state has a different ballot system, in some cases multiple ballots per individual. What is Harrison Smith's definition of "tally"?

I think it was precinct vote counts. I have not seen a rebuttal to this yet.

 

[OUBubba]

I updated that post if you want more to take issue with.

And I did not know this was 2016? The Stormy Daniels affair allegedly occurred in 2016? Or was reported or alleged just then??
It does impact my view of the incident...somewhat... if so.
I also didn't know you believed I was foolish, Bubba? I'm hurt.
Either way...I do think Trump has undergone much change. I guess neither of us can know for sure.
As for Billy ...I thought he had poor character and that was and is important to me...though I thought a little much was made of his affair. I never voted for Trump initially because I thought he had great character either...There were many things that "trumped " character for me that were not as pressing in 1998 or whenever it was. As for Obama... dont know much about his character....but I believe his philosophy and ideology to be very dangerous. And I am much more concerned with this these days than with personality, personal virtue, or character....though I'd rather not have to choose. I guess if Biden is official, I'll have neither for awhile.

The sex stuff took place previously. The illegal bribery stuff took place in 2016. You're all foolish.
I'm foolish too in this place.

 

[Seattle Husker]

For anyone interested the Feds have a government agency (CISA) who have a website debunking election myths, some of which being spread by our POTUS.

 

[RainH2burntO]

The sex stuff took place previously. The illegal bribery stuff took place in 2016. You're all foolish.

Ah...got it.
Well... that is real naughty.

 

[bystander]

Budda Baker, the guy he ran down, won the 3A 100M championship his Sr. year in high school with a 10.7. For comparison, that time would have finished 3rd in the 5A classification for Texas in 2019. Baker is a 2-Time Pro Bowler and currently the highest paid safety in the NFL. As a longtime youth football coach, the effort was the most impressive part to me. NFL NextGen stats calculated DK made up 24yds (with the angle) hitting a peak speed of >22MPH.

I used to watch the NFL Draft pretty regularly and remember them saying how good a player Baker was. I was hoping the Cowboys would pick him up.

Some people are great and some people are transcendental... running down Baker would be in the latter category for sure.

 

[Garmel]

There are apparently 20k provisional, absentee and military ballots left in GA. It never ends.

For anyone interested the Feds have a government agency (CISA) who have a website debunking election myths, some of which being spread by our POTUS.

Who makes these people the arbiters of truth? More than one group of conservative pollsters complained about Pennsylvania. Trump got a court order to stop it. I guess the judge believed it. Pennsylvania judge permits campaign observers up-close view of ballot count after Trump complaint

 

[bystander]

Just to be clear, 1 of those these items is criminal (Election Fraud), while the other is unethical.

Neither are acceptable in the larger pantheon of politicians but I put criminal behavior above the other, especially when the latter is tangential to the politician.

It's an interesting thing how blackmail can be considered a crime by the person being blackmailed.

 

[Seattle Husker]

It's an interesting thing how blackmail can be considered a crime by the person being blackmailed.

If only it was that simple. Here is a good explanation of the criminal conduct.

John Edwards was indicted for a similar hush money scheme. The DOJ later dropped the charges.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Biden planning to give a primetime address tonight. I'd assume this only happens if the networks call PA or NV for him which hasn't occurred yet.

 

[bystander]

If only it was that simple. Here is a good explanation of the criminal conduct.

John Edwards was indicted for a similar hush money scheme. The DOJ later dropped the charges.

I get that, but does it mean if you hook up with a woman and she tells you she won't tell your wife unless you run for office that you have to either run and deal with the revelation or not run at all? Is a settlement always a crime in this regard?

 

[Garmel]

I get that, but does it mean if you hook up with a woman and she tells you she won't tell your wife unless you run for office that you have to either run and deal with the revelation or not run at all? Is a settlement always a crime in this regard?

Trump was never charged for election fraud, Cohen was. Election fraud usually involves only a fine. Obama's campaign was fined 375,000 for it. However, corrupt New York was trying to end the Trump presidency over something minor.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I get that, but does it mean if you hook up with a woman and she tells you she won't tell your wife unless you run for office that you have to either run and deal with the revelation or not run at all? Is a settlement always a crime in this regard?

It is when you direct your Lawyer to use his money to buy the story from the National Inquirer to kill it and $150k to said women with the promise that you'll pay him back. Cohen went to jail for his side of that transaction.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Trump was never charged for election fraud, Cohen was.

Not yet. Have you forgotten the WH attempts to claim immunity while Trump is in office?

 

[Garmel]

Not yet. Have you forgotten the WH attempts to claim immunity while Trump is in office?

There was never any evidence that Trump directed Cohen. However, at the most it should be a fine. Oh, that's right. It was Trump and this is New York. Put him in jail!

 

[bystander]

Not yet. Have you forgotten the WH attempts to claim immunity while Trump is in office?

I guess we'll see what happens on this one.

I still think it's blackmail and it benefitted his whole life to shut her up. Then it comes out anyway. She's a witch and who cares about her. She's a prostitute with zero character or credibility. And a blackmailer. He was a sleaze to be with her and stupid to give her the upper-hand in the first place. Once he put it in her he lost control of his life.

 

[Seattle Husker]

There was never any evidence that Trump directed Cohen.

The tape: Trump-Cohen secret audio tape made public

National Inquirer Admission of guilt.

To claim there was not evidence is laughable. With that said, I doubt he gets charged and even if he does the jury will end like they did for Edwards, a hung jury.

Like bystander, many people don't care that he did something illegal to cover up affairs. This goes for those on the left or right, when the violator is in your party.